Alternative mythology

...

No idea why these came out side ways

>valuable spiritual/artistic offspring

user, i'm not going to pretend like i'm a mythology scholar but i know that most "spiritual offspring" of greek myth tends to leave out the copious rape and molesting the gods would partake in, or their arguably childish behaviors (espacially zues)

>Athena sprang fully formed from zues's skull

Kek

>taking Marvel, Hollywood and Japanese animation in account

so you're saying that it is impossible to tell a component and meaning full story with these mediums mixed with greek myth? It sounds like your saying that not because you think it's true, but beacuse you just want to make a point, thats pretty dishonest user.

>There's nothing better than greek myth
>There's nothing better than Italian food
>There's nothing better than video games

Guess what user, all of these are opinions

>i know that most “spiritual offspring” of Greek myth tends to leave out the copious rape and molesting the gods would partake in
Then you have obviously zero knowledge on this matter and never heard of any classics. Does “Phaedra” evokes something to you? Oedipus? Antigone? Persophone's abduction, Pasiphaë's feverish sex subterfuge with a white bull, Leda's rape, Europa's ruse, Electra?

>so you're saying that it is impossible to tell a component and meaning full story
No.

Nothing can compare to Greek and Roman mythology. Stick with it.

Joseph Campbell would be ashamed of you

“Heart of Darkness”? I don't remember anything remotely related to African mythology out there. Even if there was, I don't see the point. Many people are impassioned about exotic myths, it doesn't mean it's as rich and deep than Greek ones are. They aren't.

>nothing can compare to greek myth

I don't know when or why or even how but somewere down the line you honestly started to think your opinons became objective fact. The implications of that are disturbing.

>Athena sprang fully formed from zues skull
>Oedipus straight up banged his mom
>feverish sex subterfuge with a white bull
>Leda's rape
>persophone was kidnapped then developed Stockholm syndrome

user's verdict; True art! Nothing will has ever and will ever compare to this!

>Mulan saved china and was a girl worth fighting for
>Tiana had to dig a little deeper
>Jasmine was not a prize to be won
>Bella didn't want a provincial life
>Rapunzel had a dream

user's verdict; Trash! Absolute trash! Just a bunch of kids movies with no peripheral value at all of any kind! You know what does have peripheral value? Feverish sex subterfuge with a white bull!
Stockholm syndrome! Did i mention that greek myth is the absolute best?

>nice try.jpg

My verdict ; kek

I assume this poor attempt to ridicule my post is a sign you ran out of proper ideas. Stick with the straw-man long enough and you may end up believing it.

That's Joseph Conrad. Wew lad, you're arguing about mythology and don't even know who Joseph Campbell is. You've got some catching up to do. At least do some homework and read a copy of "The Hero with a Thousand Faces"

What the fuck is happening here.

I misread, no need to act tough and triumph victoriously. Campbell's monomyth is idiot as possible and is the equivalent to say “all stories have characters so all are ultimately talking about the same thing”.

We're reaching new levels of retardation here folks.

Nice argument.

It's not the argument you needed but it was all your baseless sweeping opinionated posts deserved.

Nice try to cover your complete ignorance of the subject.

>i assume this poor attempt
>You're even more deluded than ever for taking Marvel, Hollywood and Japanese animation in account as valuable spiritual/artistic offspring of foreign mythologies.

user, it wasn't a stawman. You stated here that hollywood (which includes disney myth-oriented content) value as a story telling media is AUTOMATICALLY inferior to greek myth because it's hollywood and greek myth is better. You ignored your circular reasoning and gave me a strawman that was never mine to begin with. Also is saying i made a strawman REALLY your best answer? (And if you wanna get really meta you created a strawman by saying i created a strawman that i never actually created.) what an easy way to dismiss everything someone just siad to you

>I also noticed that you have yet to give a reason as to why you think your opinions are fact?

Let me guess, i just created another strawman right?

>Athena sprang forth fully formed from Zues's skull
>Feverish sex subterfuge with a white bull

Do you like art truly or are you just the adult version of a edgy teen trying to satisfy his edge-lust

>feverish sex subterfuge with a white bull

user, i don't know if you're trolling me or if you're serious, but if your serious you need a reevaluation of your life

>Athena sprang fully formed from Zues skull

I will never not kek at that

'Living Magic' by Ronald Rose is an account of the author and his wife traveling to the Australian aboriginal tribes near Ayers Rock back in the 1950s and learning about their mythos and magic.

Op here

Thanks for the relevant info that you guys posted, glad to see the thread hasn't 100% spun out of control

wonder if this has an pdf somewhere

>you stated here that Hollywood (which includes Disney myth-oriented content) value as a story telling media is automatically inferior to Greek myth because it's Hollywood and Greek myth is better
No, because it's a mediocre medium that butchers all the cultures it touches, whether it is assumed Chinese mythology—you're pretty naive if you think Mulan, Jasmine or Rapunzel have anything to do with real Han/Indian/German myths—or Greek one.

>is saying i made a straw-man really your best answer?
How exactly should I address “you're retarded”?

>do you like art truly or are you just the adult version of a edgy teen trying to satisfy his edge-lust
You surely don't, I shouldn't have had to list obvious depictions of rape/incest/bestiality well-known in art since you considered “Greek myth tend to leave it out”, although it's the endless subject of major authors in several countries accross the centuries. Nothing has the influence Greek and Roman myths had, and nothing is comparable in term of depth, innovation and literature. Once again, you don't show any concrete understanding of mythology as a whole.

Try to put your cellphone sideways next time

you're such a faggot, go get smart or go back to reeeeedit

Just FYI, OP, everybody knows you're an idiot because you somehow believe that there "is only" greek mythology in the western discourse, consider anything else "alternative" (barf), and call greek myths "run-of-the-mill" when it's obvious that someone as uncultured as that doesn't know the first thing about them either.

African myths are oral, so you won't find "translations" but adaptations. Any book including the obvious keywords would do for you. There isn't some original version to hunt down, all of the oldest known publications are versions which were modified by europeans long before anyone from these geographic regions wrote anything down themselves.

So how am I expected to react, here?

Campbell
Castaneda
Frazer
Prometheus Bound
Chiera
Melville's Typee
Patterns of Culture
Frobenius
Divine Horsemen: The living gods of Haiti

do one of the things I said. I don't care which. Just stop defending your ignorance, it's obnoxious

Read this.
Its a celtic epic.

>Once again, you don't show any concrete understanding of mythology as a whole.
>Athena sprang forth from Zues's skull
>persophone stolkhom syndrome
>The gods are childish serial rapest/molesting man children
>Odeipus rex banged his mom
>You ignore all of this and deny it's flaws

Go ahead and try to say "my opinions are fact" in a new, fresh and invigorating way.

>it is assumed Chinese mythology—you're pretty naive if you think Mulan, Jasmine or Rapunzel have anything to do with real Han/Indian/German myths—or Greek one.

Now THATS what i call a strawman. Didn't you bable about spiritual offspring or some drivel like that? Because lets be honest, i didn't learn about all the gods raping and molesting until i actually researched it. If people made real spirituall successors it would be rated are stuff and borderlin action porn.

>athena sprang forth from zues's skull

I keep reposting as a nice way of saying this is stupid and so are you. You know why holkywoid never adapted thia part of the myth? Because it's stupid and can only be taken serious as a myth far off and away. If you saw that in high def you would just kek...

>How exactly should I address “you're retarded”?

So basically you had no legitimate argument so you do what every idiot without a solid word does, taunt. And not a very clever taunt at that...here user let me show you how it's done

>feverish sex subterfuge with a white bull
>Nothing can compare to Greek and Roman mythology

Indeed

You're the one spitting idiocies like “Greek myth left out the gruesome part” or “Mulan is a neat depiction of Han mythology”, don't try to discharge your lack of culture on me. You don't know anything about any myths.

>i didn't learn about all the gods raping and molesting until i actually researched it
Because you're uncultured as hell and never heard of Racine, Dante, Corneille, Moreau, Rubens, Picasso, Baudelaire or Verlaine. Who is Jung? Who is Freud? You simply mistake your absence of culture with the non-existence of said culture. You were complaining Greek mythology has given naive representation in art and now that I obviously prove you such things as bestiality or incest are widely depicted, you cry and call me “edgy”. Get your shit together.

Op here

I understand why you would get that from the post,what i ment is that if you look at most of most fantasy stories greek myth inspired would dominate. Of course i know that there is no auch thing as run-of-the-mill myth. I was just trying to say another way of saying the greek myth is overused. Imagine the stories and monsters and people would havn't explored because we are stuck on norse,greek and middle earth

But ye, Op goofed, srry dood

Op here

I have an appreciation for posts that actually answer the Op

So you don't really care about mythology, you simply look for original authors. You could skip this whole thread and directly ask in the “General SFF” one.

that wasn't me who said that, I'm just a lowly lurker who wanted to call you a faggot

>feverish sex subterfuge by a white bull

Fine user, you win, it's obvious your opinions are fact. It's obvious that Stockholm syndrome is okay as long as its in greek myth.

>Athena sprang forth from zues's skull
I'm still keking

> user posts lots of names

user, how does knowing lots of good writers make your opinons fact?

>Frued

Hay user, is. "Feverish sex subterfuge with a White bull" a Fruedian slip or are you trolling me? Seriously your starting to worry me...

>Feverish sex subterfuge with a WHITE bull

What makes me kek is that you felt the need to give me that detail as if that adds anything to it. There wasn't any "Leda's rapest was a white man" now was there? Odd...

Far enough, thanks user

(I'm still gunna moniter this one though)

Irish Myth is totally nuts.

I doubt you know anything about African mythology either dude lol. Anyway, Greek myths are some of the shallowest garbage I've ever read. They're cool stories and all but completely lacking in spirit.

I'm sure I still know much more than you do.

I'd say you know close to nothing, so we're probably about the same. Regardless, the fact that you would brazenly declare Greek mythology as the "best" shows that you are not really enlightened in any conceivable way.

I've read on most myths. By the way, I don't get how you could have any opinion about what thinking a certain mythology is better than the others implies since you admittedly know nothing about either.

I'm just going by what I observe. Your trips reveal that you are a deceiver.

What should I do? Do you seriously want me to drop authors, folklore tales, legends or titles? You would suspect I quickly browsed Wikipedia or Google to lie. What's the point discussing?

user, the point is that your opinions, unfortunatly for you, and fortunatly for us, no matter how hard you want them to be, have never & will never be fact and there is no list of authors you can post, insults you can make, strawmen you can knockdown, and ways you can say that greek myth is the best that will ever change that.

How you feel about greek myth is your opinion and no matter how you feel it will be your opinion until the end of time and space because it's just that. An opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

>feverish sex subterfuge with a white bull

kek

If everything's just opinion, shouldn't “your opinion is just an opinion”, an thus an opinion itself and not a infallible truth? Then shouldn't it infer it exists at least a statement that is actually a truth and not an opinion?

tl;dr you're a faggot and saying the others have opinion is irrelevant and pointless on any level

>he doesn't know what archetypes are

Not trying to meme, Persona 3 and the Shin Megami Tensei wiki are pretty decent introductions

>literally everything you just siad

user, i understand you just want to defend your bro but that not how opinions/logic works
Fact-user SIAD greek myth is the best
Opinion-how user FEELS about greek myth. Just because the FACT that you did state something dosn't AUTOMATICALLY make it true. By your logic anything anyone belives is objective fact.

>Feverish sex subterfuge by white bull

user, do you find value in this?

>posiedon rapes medusa then posideon's girl friend gets angry at the raped girl and curses her

Now thats just not right

>Athena sprang forth from Zues's skull

Kek

Here's a sub-Saharan mythology for you!

>only know how to use sticks and stones
>story about a stick that's better than all other sticks
>elephant or lion is involved
>stick deity gets permanently fucked

That's just because you don't know enough about any others.

WE

>says bs
>thinks it's funny bs

user, i could just as easily say "here is some american mythology"

>Christopher Columbos came to america
>He knew it was america and didn't mistake it for india
>He was nice to the native americans and didn't 100% fuck them over in every conceivable way
>White edgyptians involved somehow
>black people came of their own free will
>what are slaves?
>no black woman slaves were raped in the making of this film
>what are asian concentration camps?
>manafest destiny? More like manafest best friends forever
>zombie hitler threatened to take over the world with robot stalin
>because all americans had been working together up until this point without strife america was the first to discover Chi Manipulation
>Kamehameha.jpg
>no more zombie hitler and robot stalin
>infact the kamehameha was so powerfull that it destroyed the "FriendZone"
>and gender ( i mean it was a social construct anyway...)
>now that gender isn't holding us down we are light enough to travel to the moo. To start a space colony
>america gets lost halfway there and we and up in another universe
>my my look at that it's this universe
>wait wuts that over there
>why is that guy sputtering on about "greek myth is the best"
>let me read on of these threads
>...
>athena sprang forth from zue's skull
>feverish sexual subterfuge with a white bull
>...
>...
>we need to leave this universe. Now.
>aww man! But we just got here.jpg
>we are leaving and that is final, i did not just fight zombie hitler and robot stalin to get infected with such a potent brain cancer
>other unverse america leaves
>....jpg
>Leda's rape
>kek

>mistook joseph campbell for joseph conrad
>muh ancient greeks and romans are all anyone should ever read xDDD
>I'm a big faggot

admit it with dignity. You got btfo'd hard.

>he willingly closes his mind towards new information and celebrates ignorance

Why are you even here?

Epic of Sundiata
A bunch of Anansi stories are pretty cool
I'm certain there are plenty of translations of Yoruba mythology, as well as the voodoo, candomblé and Santeria versions.

Kinsella's version is supposed to be better.

For other Irish mythology try to find a copy of Agallamh na Seanórach. It's less well known but better in my opinion.

Google: "(country name) mythology"

or, "(religion) mythology"

Go to a bookstore and look through the mythology section. Metaphysical or occult bookstores may be fruitful to you.

>he willingly closes his mind towards new information and celebrates ignorance

Hmmm.... Mabye but life is more complex than that. Your think in a "he who dies with the most toys wins" mentality

I do envy how tribemen never have to worry about having a nuclear bomb droped on them. Or get psycholigical disorders like body dismorphia and OCD. Or get axullary allergies like being allergic to pollen. Or feminsim.

Then agian not having internet would suck

Such is life.jpg

>he who dies with the most toys wins

that has nothing to do with wanting to absorb as many different viewpoints about the world as you can in one's life

keep restricting yourself to the Western bubble though my man

>keep restricting yourself to the Western bubble though my man

You know it's kinda funny, i have been on the internet enough to see people thin veil racism with justification like "there are some groups of black people that use spears in their daily lives, there for i'm superior because i have never touched a spear many many times.

Then i thought "wait, if people who think like that are so hung up on sharp sticks why have i never once in my entire life once ever heard some racist guy make fun of native americans. (Ye they used to right along with every race but now blacks are mainstream joke fodder)

Why not? Tribal natives and africans are both distinct and unique yet very similar, yet it's allways the africans who are strawmaned. Why is that user? Is it beacuse white people already destroyed any genuine native american tribal people? It's also funny on another level because you say "whats the point of african tribemen existing if they don't want "enlightenment"(or whatever) yet that is literally exactlay why there are no genuine native american tribemen. The europeans took advantage of their willingness to learn and utterly fucked them over in every conceivable way.

I'm starting to think it's less about white anons valuing higher knowlege and more about you just trying to feel better about yourselves. It's kinda like how in grade school you would get bad grades, but not as bad as some one else. So you would think in your head "at least i'm not as bad as that guy" not aware of the fact that your grades are still garbage.

And now i'll round this rant off with something that truly perplexes me. Some White anons will swear to white superiority yet instead of these guys inventing yet another life altering discovery that wilk change the world forever the just frequent Veeky Forums instead. Like most other human beings on the plant the fall into the "broad adobters" category of people. The ones who stand on the shoulders of the people before them (that i hapoen to fall into) not the narrow innovaters that ACTULLAY make the changes in this world

>Christopher Columbos thought america was india and "discovored entire nations of people (because the where obviously lost)
>Kek

Read up on the Nuwabians, Nation of Islam and Black Israelites, they actually have a hilariously detailed mythological account of ancient history.

read the Shahnameh for some cool Persian mythology

>Nation of Islam
oh my fucking god you had to fucking remind me user

This thread is fucking retarded holy shit.

>greentext unrealistic event from myth
top kek m8 haha why would anyone think that was REAL haha oh man
>greentext """problematic""" event from myth with no context
what kind of morality comes from this??????

Of course this guy isn't actually interested in reading, he just wants to plunder sacred stories to make his awful fantasy writing slightly less cliche.
Protip: making more obscure references won't make your writing any better or more original.

Op here

>Be me
>be intrested in greek myth
>this stuff is amazing.jpg
>thinks about mythology
>"wait, why is it always greek myth that is endorsed?
>Thinks about stuff like norse,australian,african myth
>african myth
>...don't know why but that enticed me
>search the internet for "relatively alternative myth stories"
>i'm only geting sybopsis not stories
>this is not over.png
>head to Veeky Forums for insight
>post thread with a playful description
>i guess that was my first mistake.png
>first posts tell me i'm stupid and that greek mythology is the only kind i should be reading
>: /
>people start fighting in the posts
>: /
>an user finally posts a helpful suggestion
> : )
>i guess this was a good idea after all.jpg
> anons continue to fight but i'm still thankfull for the ones who posted suggestions
>thread is derailed but i'm not
>be me again
>look at last post
>user condemns me for using what Veeky Forums was made for
>be confused
>PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT FROM OP; okay anons this thread started off on a badfoot and only went downhill. All i wanted was some people to point me to were i could read about mythology that wasn't greek/roman based, and now this guy thinks he knows the ins-and-outs of why are started this thread. Will the thread die or be revived?
>find out on the next episode of dragon bal z.jpg

Mali: Sundiata
Bablyon/Asshur: Gilgamesh
Germany: Nibelungenlied
France: Chanson de Roland
Russia: The Song of Igor's Campaign
Arabia: Arabian Nights (fucking durr hurr you fucking retard)

That's what I can see from my desk, I got almost all of them from Goodwill but since they're not in demand you can find them online for cheap. Those are just the basics, but you have to have some kind of background to understand the tropes of a different conception of myth/epos.

tl;dr - Stop being a pussy and fight through the boring canonical shit.

And the Nation Of Islam's whole sweep of mythology is fucking clutch if you can just avoid taking it at all seriously. Some Rastafarian stuff too. The whole time you just have to wonder if it's just contrarian reversal of outsider misperceptions of mainstream ideology or someone's honest idea of 'correcting' history.

>Stop being a pussy and fight through the boring canonical shit
>Thats the whole point of this thread.png

You could, but I'm not American, either.

>thinks being able to discern what is and isn't shit is being close-minded

I love when these pseudo-intellectual cunts try to act all superior.

It Is literally almost like you are objectively viewing those Greek stories in your own subjective culture and completely overriding when they were written and literally ignoring any form of literary devices being used in said stories. If you are literally so caught up in the literal words of these myths, you should just stick to YA novels and manga

>
you are retarded

Go back to /b/ or /v/ or wherever it is you crawled out of to make this terrible thread please.
>"why is it always greek myth that is endorsed?"
>Thinks about stuff like norse,australian,african myth
Firstly, you don't know what "endorsed" means which is pretty sad if you've been using the English language for more than a couple years. Secondly, it might have something to do with most of those not being, you know, written down? There is no original text in an oral tradition. It also may be related to how western civilization is explicitly based on the Greeks.

The thread was shit to start, and you should leave this board and never come back.

This guy thinks Homer wrote his stuff down. Wow.

No one cares about if your american or not. The post was mocking your over simplification. America is considered the best by many so it was a good choice to goose you with.

you are retarded

>you

user, it's simple. The greekmythfag swears by greek myth so much that he feels the need to tell Op to not search out any other type of myth. See, greekmythfag came to a thread specifically pertaining to learning about myths that ARN'T greek. yet greekmythfag completely ignores this fact to tell Op that he should stop thinking outside the box and go read some greek myth.

Has greek myth influenced the world as a whole? Yes, greek myth fag is absolutely right about that. Does greek myth tackle lots of mature themes and ideas? Yup. Does OP care about any of that?

NO.jpg

Op came here to learn about any myth that is not greek. Then mrs.greekmyth fag comes here and tells him that it's a stupid idea and he should just sit his ass done and read whats popular? That sounds like trolling.

user, Greekmythfag is right about the influence and prestige of greekmyth, it is a fact that he is right about that. But thinking that is a good reason to tell someone to never read any other type of myth? THAT IS AN UNDENIABLE OPINION. an opinon that Op obviously dosen't agree with, if he did he wouldn't have MADE THIS FUCKING THREAD so that idiots like you can play word game and think that they actually won or made any semblance of an arguement

In a nutshell:

1.This thead exists to find any myth as long as it is not greek myth
2.Greek myth fag ignores this fact completely and trolls Op by telling him to read some more greek myth
3.if he wanted to read some more greek myth he wouldn't have made this thread so anyone that agrees with Greekmythfag can go fuck themselves

How about doing what OP asked and advocate for some myth that ISN'T greek

>sex subterfuge by a white bull
>i say the word literally and you decided that spamming the word in your argument made you right
>medusa gets raped by posiden and athena gets made at medusa for geting raped in her temple so athena curses medusa

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Holy fucking shit is it Summer in here.

this guy thinks Greek mythology = Homer

Op here

>en·dorse
inˈdôrs,enˈdôrs/
verb
past tense: endorsed; past participle:
endorsed
1.declare one's public approval or support of.
>...Anonymous
05/28/16(Sat)09:55:43 No.8092960
Why would you read about anything else but Greek and Roman myths?
>Anonymous
05/28/16(Sat)10:11:11 No.8092999
(You) #
There's nothing better than Greek/Roman mythology, and considering the picture you attached, you seem deluded about what to expect from African myths.

It's obvious you don't know how flexible the english language is. But even if i DID use the word wrong i'm glad it pissed you off user

>Secondly, it might have something to do with most of those not being, you know, written down?
>'Living Magic' by Ronald Rose is an account of the author and his wife traveling to the Australian aboriginal tribes near Ayers Rock back in the 1950s and learning about their mythos and magic.

And if the reality is that only ONE myth other than greek was written down then i am happy to search for it.

>It also may be related to how western civilization is explicitly based on the Greeks.

Hay user, american values are based on the judeo-christian faith, guess that means you better start reading bible and only the bible and nothing else

>The thread was shit to start

Nice observational skills user!

>you should leave this board and never come back.

If i genuinely piss you off that much i will be happy to come back here as much as possible. I will get enlighted and i will get to give you anger just from posting, and not even directly at you. It's a trolls dream come true!

>Epic of Sundiata
A bunch of Anansi stories are pretty cool
I'm certain there are plenty of translations of Yoruba mythology, as well as the voodoo, candomblé and Santeria versions

This thread turned out bad, but i don't regret making it. I got lots a recommendations that i wouldn't have known about so thats good at least

user, i get it, greek myth is good stuff. It's so good that it lead me to wonder what other nations had to offer in the myth department. The anons who posted helpful recommendations understand. The ones who continue to tell me to stick my proverbial head in the sand and continue to read greek myth, as well as never read ANY or myth, they don't and thats okay. Whata not okay is being an asshole just because someone has an opinon other than yours. Seriously if your greekmythlust is so strong than make a thread about it, you can even trash this thread in it's description if you want.

by the way user, the english language is so flexible that i can say something like Greekmythlust and you will know exactly what i'm talking about

Kek.jpg

>thinks he's arguing with one person

>African
WE

>34 posts
>94 replies
Too much samefag for one thread.