What's your excuse for your useless dead weight of a """"""degree"""""", Veeky Forums?

What makes you think that you're a better person for studying it? Did it make you more virtuous, even in a secular sense?

it is meaningful to me

mummy and daddy paying for it

>living in a 3rd world country like merica
>acting surprised when shit like this happens
wankers.

Wow, USA is a fucking joke.
Hope it keeps burning.

>skimmed
>not reading it in its original classical Arabic

Christian pleb.

>People getting PHDs in useless shit like Literature

Don't you understand that you can read books and study philosophy without wasting your time at an university? There are a lot of degrees that are actually employable.

currently getting my philosophy on the federal government's dime

did you get a job
what was it?

> literature
> philosophy in current year

Choose one. Academic philosophy has nothing to do with literature in this day of age. Studying philosophy in free time is like listening to music, you will enjoy it, but in the end of the day you are just a pleb compared to full time musicians.

I don't have an excuse- I majored in economics. Having said that, I have a lot of respect for people who choose to pursue something they are passionate about. I hate how boomers have raised a generation that places absolutely no value on culture and art because these areas do not lead to lucrative careers (most of the time). It's a utilitarian, shamelessly capitalist worldview that reveals a complete lack of ability to think critically. We need to actively combat this imo. I start grilling people irl who condescend to the humanities or seem to hold culture in contempt because I am so fed up with this stupid mentality at this point.

I know this is a bait thread and it's superfluous to make this point here of all places but I needed to vent.

At first I was pissed off when I saw that picture, but then I remembered that I live on the other side of the pond. Now I'm just smug.

>How To Trigger Humanities Fags: The Thread

What line of work? Philosophy major graduating next year

I am $400,000 in debt after studying literature and history and I have spent the last 5 years after graduating working in a series of truckstops, restaurants and elderly nursing homes. All three of my novels were rejected and I just deleted my fourth the other day.

Can't help but disagree user. The humanities need to be left to those who understand culture. Getting a piece of paper worth than my father's high school degree makes plebs think they've earned the right to Authority, and that only brings us down. Not much else to expect from a civilization in its twilight

>people will think this is a bad thing

>muuh stem

ebcause what the world really needs is more people who know calculas

>he didn't graduate from political science

Contemporary society thrives on practicality and and immediacy. Private life has been steadily demolished to the point where now making at least the most outwardly important aspects of your identity publicly available is considered a form of deviancy. Pleasure is largely mandated and pre-scheduled, delivered on demand when and wherever it is desired and in whichever form. Terms like "community", "love" and "dignity" have been undermined due to their abstract nature, and due to the fact they hinder the main pursuit of modern civilization, which is the total atomization of society, the total immersion of each of its members into themselves and the near-solipsistic realities they design for themselves. In its rather basic present form this only means the fracturing of meta-ideologies or objects of collective admiration (religion, political struggle, cultural traditions, family structure) into a nation of isolated individuals with nothing but economic forces binding them, economic forces which play the central part in determining one's status and the type of romantic partner one is capable of attaining. Information is widely available but rarely interesting for that reason. There is simply too much of it. The reasonable and aesthetic thing to do is to present all information in the simplest form possible, both to reinforce the culture of immediate gratification and to differentiate this information from the "boring" information that an individual would otherwise be forced to analyse. Even your identity is now reduced to its simplest form, most obviously in the form of a photograph (smiling, of course) but most comprehensively in the form of a self-published biography (Facebook), work history (Linkedin), photonarrative (instagram) and even a stream of your thoughts (twitter). While each of these platforms are interesting, funny and necessary tools to counteract modern (or perhaps general) loneliness and isolation, the price one pays for escaping this isolation is often immersion into a generalized form, a stereotyped image, or a "brand". Art, therefore, is now totally useless and uninteresting except in the case where experiencing it guarantees that one is considered more relevant for having done so. Sitting alone in a room and writing a novel is now more repulsive than ever. The blinking Last Men of Nietzsche stand in their server rooms and behind their thick lenses failing to comprehend why you would either read or write a book when in its functional form a book is merely a provider of internal experiences, ones that can be experienced in less time and often at greater capacity via technological advances. If you are reading for the sake of attaining data, then it is simpler to consume that data in its simplest form, though if the data is not socially relevant there is no reason to consume it at all other than for private and therefore pseudo-onanistic reasons.

>What's your excuse for your useless dead weight of a """"""degree"""""", Veeky Forums?
I've just finished HS and I am still divided between majoring in either a worthless degree or in a decent degree, senpai.

My sole passion in this world is philosophy, especially political philosophy, but I understand that it is an entirely worthless degree that will only get me a job in teaching, the last thing I want. And if I can't reasonably fulfill the "philosophy" part of my passion, then at least I can fulfill the "political" part of my passion and get a reasonably good job, hopefully even become a politician. But still, I am passionate about philosophy of politics, not really the actual politics themselves. And double majoring seems to not the be the thing that I can afford financially(2k euros per year of education in single major is already a heavy burden for me) nor is it something that my deficiency of attention can bear with.

Just do that mate, you don't need to get a career in your degree field, it's not like doing a degree in physics will make you become a physicist

Philosophy is respected, it's not like media studies

How retarded does a person have to be to even get into 400000$ large debt for studying in college?

this is a good thing though, isn't it?

i don't remotely know what the fuck i'm talking about so please correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't handing out loans that we know full well the borrower will never be able to pay back in full essentially the same sort of thing that caused the housing crisis?

The fact that people get angry over my choice only makes me more smug.
Unemployability is nothing unique to arts majors, someone in my English lit class is doing a BA as their second degree because they were unemployable with a degree in marine ecology.

How unfulfilling must someone life be if they only measure things by utility?

I thought economics was "STEM". Surprise! Worthless unless you want to be lawyer or pair it with business.

Good thing Asia needs white piggu to teach English.

>2016
>tuition fees

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Except that I can read all the great philosophers (many in their native language, since I'm fluent in German) and analyze their work. I don't need overweight SJWs telling me to do stupid assignments about Plato to learn philosophy.

Your degree is a waste of time go kill yourself. 30k usd average salary, 10% unemployment rate.

Do you do more than read? Do you write?
Being pushed out of your comfort zone and being forced to argue a position that you do not hold helps to develop your argumentative skills.

I feel the need to say that I agree with you, even if the bait replies are strong today. It's unfortunate that we live in a society that puts so much focus on the "well paying jobs" of STEM to the point where you can't learn shit about the humanities without getting a degree in it. I love music and want to study it, but I didn't get any opportunities at all to learn in high school and my engineering major takes up most of my time now. You have to be learning from age 5 if you want to have any sort of fucking chance, which is really frustrating. I can't imagine how it is in language arts, an even more marginalized topic than music.

Physiotherapy :^)

Not him but shitposting on Veeky Forums has actually improved my rhetorical skills. It's also given me insight to the various ideologies as play on this site.

It costs 400 000 dollars to keep firing for twelve seconds.

do you really think you need a post-secondary education to be a musician?

What do you mean?

More proof that Trump is literally a reddit president.

>tfw uncultured capitalist swine on Veeky Forums pissing away their youth and future to become advanced wageslaves

Not sure about America, but liberal arts students in Australia rank amongst the richest graduates there are, obviously especially if you're doing commercial liberal arts

I agree one hundred per cent. I hate to boast though I don't feel guilty doing so since the site is anonymous, but I am probably one of Veeky Forumss most frequent shitposters. I could link you to a bunch of threads I've made which have received over 200 replies, and all the posts I've written which are reposted over and over by people who realize that doing so will draw attention to themselves. I'm definitely part of Veeky Forumss shit-posting elite. I have pretended to be dozens of different characters, all exaggerated forms of some aspect of my own rather eccentric and exaggerated personality. One day I'm a NEET obsesssed with his own virtue and purity, the next I am a wealthy young professional boasting about his / my superior station in life, while on the third day I'm a young novelist who has already achieved far more than you are ever likely to despite my young years. Whenever I read a contemporary author who is like 30 or 35 I think to myself "yeah, but can he shitpost?" and the answer is always no. I don't know man, but if I ever wrote a novel and it wasn't the kind that Veeky Forums would appreciate I would feel like such an irrelevant hack. That's not to say most people here aren't retarded 18 year olds who are so desperate to "belong" that they don't strive to be anything more than a meme drone, but I myself am something of a meme puppeteer, and I rarely even experience very much excitement now whenever I'm in the mood to shitpost and the resulting posts or threads cause countless people to freak out. In completely abandoning any stable notion of identity and opting instead of anonymity I have become an amorphous mental entity capable of adopting the identity of whoever I choose for the sake of entertainment. Occasionally I post lengthy and apparently studied opinions about the decline of culture or or some other topic I see being discussed and more often than not I am inundated with (you)s (my favorite currency) telling me how profound I am.

I often wonder, do these statistics account for time spent working? A phil major with a part time job sounds so much better than a law major doing 70 hours weekly.

How many dollars is an hour of your life worth?

Are you the fucking guy with an existential crisis with depth and profundity fitting a man twice your age?

If so, bravo.

That's proven to be one of my more popular shit-posts, yes.

desu I want to study linguistics.

Would the trumpster's plans permit a student loan?

i did english lit and have an above average paying job in the media, le degree for a job meme needs to end

if government wants to simply get people into decent jobs, then it should have funded internships instead of sending thousands to university to get a degree in a subject they're only studying to 'get a job' where they will use about a tenth of what they learned at university

of course there are exceptions to this, and people should go to university for this, but people need to separate university from getting a job

>Philosophy is respected, it's not like media studies

Nah, it's seen as a doss degree by the public, like history.

It's the degree for someone who wanted to go to uni with everyone else.

>Implying you can't also have an interest in the arts/philosophy etc as well as making stacks

You can and it may even be the most effective way of you pursuing those goals but that doesn't mean people shouldn't pursue those subjects at university.

Do you need to want to be a professional musician to learn about music in depth?

>that doesn't mean people shouldn't pursue those subjects at university

You're right but not doing a well paying degree is going to make it much harder to attain those aforementioned stacks of cash.

Good, suck our dick, useless oaf trumpinator.

You know that if you vote for him and you're majoring in a practical field, you're just fucking yourself, right? It'll increase the competition in your industry and make it harder for you to get a job. This only benefits ""job creators"" because it allows them to pay skilled workers less.

No, most employers don't give a shit about your degree as long as it isn't in a stupid subject. It's just the fact that you have one from a decent uni.

What use is it to an employer that you know some specialised science stuff, unless it was relevant to the job?

Mods, please ban this user.

Thanks.

The government are already flooding STEM fields by perpetuating the notion that there is a shortage of workers.

Sure, and double degrees are are an option or just doing back and doing a practical degree after a few years of personal pursuit.

fasdfdsfsdf

i wouldn't want to help people get employed either

People who study literature and the arts in general are generally the most narcissistic and entitled people I've met. Sorry kiddo but this is a society, and if you want to be a part of it you have to learn some skills and earn your membership. Sure it's fun waking up at 11am every day and complaining about your existential crises while spending a few hours reading Julia Kristeva. But that isn't going to get any bridges built, it's not going to cure any sickness, it's not going to do anything useful in maintaining a functioning society. It's basically onanism in its most boring form. The economy works for people who want to work. You learn some useful skills and someone pays for these skills in return for a wage. If you have no skills, which you won't if you've spent three years reading Sartre and Nietzsche and Derrida, you're basically worthless to society.

>it's not going to do anything useful in maintaining a functioning society

sure it does. lib arts majors are perfect for pushing paper

It's fun, and I am spending my best years doing the stuff I enjoy.

I live in a first world country where I am supported by the state if I don't have enough money. I have a job that feeds me well enough, and I am content with what I have.

So why wouldn't I use this golden opportunity and do something I enjoy?

Yeah, but said society keeps me afloat even if I do nothing in return, so the joke is on you. :^)

Are you the "musicality" of Joyce man? Are you some kind of supra entity born from this board?

my parents are rich though.

I don't even have a loan to pay off. I don't owe you cunts anything.

Because I wasted my youth doing something I hate in the vain pursuit of more money than I could ever need

It's not dead weight to me. I have a cushy job I do from home, where I set my own hours.

I got the degree with an eye for academia, which I'm still working towards. That would be my "excuse."

> "No loans if you start with the Greeks" - Donald Trump

Hillary will beat him in a landslide.

Society isn't kept together by bridges, it's held together by culture and art.
Besides, I don't want to live in a society that doesn't value art.

Can this man get any more based

good thing I didn't need student loans to pursue my liberal arts degree :^)

>implying

I love literature and would never want to study it in school; that would take all the fun out of it.

I love to hear professors talk about lit, but to have someone tell you this is how it is and to grade you on how close your interpretation is to theirs sounds terrible.

>But I don't have time to read and study something else
Maybe if you stopped playing video games and watching 3 hours of 5 second videos a day you would have time.
Seriously. No one is ever so pressed for time that they can't read; just set priories, at the very least you spend time on Veeky Forums which could easily be cut out.

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>priories
*priorities, fug

Bait, but flooding those fields would collapse society a lot quicker after wages in what are supposed to be well paying jobs go down to next to noting. Capitalism at least requires the illusion that you can just bee yourself and one day you'll make it or the disillusionment of reality that your mission is just to serve as functionaries for society will make people stop caring. Government subsidizes things with little social utility not because they are benevolent but because its necessary to maintain social equilibrium.

Teach me how and I will see that I succeed you.

What kind of guns are you shooting? I can't even imagine.

>tfw trust fund baby
I pity the people who waste half their lives working

>Society isn't kept together by bridges, it's held together by culture and art.

Oh my god, could be any more deluded? Look around you kiddo. All that technology you're using, everything in your which makes it nice and comfy, was designed by guys working long hours in very obscure STEM fields and whose skills in said fields were rewarded with a high wage. Art is neat but only in the same way RC racing is sweet.

Do you even understand that there's a huge skilled labour shortage right now?

>huge skilled labour shortage right now
And yet everything keeps functioning as normal

>Do you even understand that there's a huge skilled labour shortage right now?

In what country and what fields?

>Oh my god, could be any more deluded? Look around you kiddo. All that technology you're using, everything in your which makes it nice and comfy, was designed by guys working long hours in very obscure STEM fields and whose skills in said fields were rewarded with a high wage. Art is neat but only in the same way RC racing is sweet.

Yeah it's great that we flooded the market with Indians and caused the cost of education to skyrocket. All so I can watch tranny porn on my iPad Pro.™

hahaha, lmao @ u lib arts suckaz, good thing I got a fine arts degree
i want to die

Philosophy is not identical to reading all the great philosophers.

1/10
try again

Here's a list for the UK: visabureau.com/uk/shortage-occupations-list.aspx

Here's one for the US: thechopras.com/country/usa/skill-shortages.html

Racist much?

Racist is targeting groups that you know will do more labor for less pay.

Interesting, thanks.

Only someone who didn't get a degree would say something this stupid.

The wealth of knowledge in the libraries, on Philpapers, in your department etc is something totally intangible. I regret my maths degree more than my philosophy degree.

Conversation is such an integral part of academia and this is arguably even more so in the humanities.

I was homeschooled: I learned what makes a good education because I experienced the worst firsthand; now I'm studying a STEM degree at a prestigious university -- I leave the humanities as a hobby, where it belongs.

Technology may distract people into being nothing more than consumerist zombies. All this technology is not fulfilling, I could live without it and still consider myself happy. But put me in a world with only these things, I could not consider myself happy.

I'm getting an art degree for 3D animation/CGI
Start hating this school because of all the useless dweeps doing fingerpainting. The fact that 3D is actually in high demand in film/game/commercial world makes me go through with it. But I always realize it's pretty pathetic compared to something like Physics studies.

Reading Stanley Fish may distract people into being nothing more than pretentious zombies. All this critical theory is not fulfilling, I could live without it and still consider myself happy. But put me in a world with only these things, I could not consider myself happy.