I think I have an idea for an improved communist society, so point out any flaws you would see in it.
Every baby born is assigned a job by the state, and they're taken to specialized schools for their entire childhood devoted to training them for their lifelong career in adult life, be it farming or something medical. Every person in this society is employed and everyone is paid equally, no matter the profession. One of the reasons communism failed was because if everyone could keep their job and still get paid whether they worked hard or not, this made everyone not work harder than they must causing the economy to slow down. In my society, the government would assign a specific growth rate it wants to achieve in each sector of the economy, maybe to make the steel sector of the economy grow by 15% by the end of the year each worker must mine 90 tons of steel by the end of the year, if you miss this goal your pay gets deducted by the percentage of how much you missed your quota. Also if you accidentally damage state equipment somehow the cost of repairing it is deducted from your pay. This causes workers to not be lazy and grants more control over the economy, a bit similar to the 5 year plan maybe. If any foreigner moved into the society, since they weren't educated for a job they'd immediately be sent to work the most menial job that requires no skill or training, they'd still get paid though. Their kids are a different story though. There would be innovation too since people may be assigned the profession of a scientist, one of the jobs that will become more common as machines take over manual labor jobs. Scientists would each work together and have to share research data since they're all employed by the state.
So would this idea work?
Elijah White
>One of the reasons communism failed was because if everyone could keep their job and still get paid whether they worked hard or not, this made everyone not work harder than they must causing the economy to slow down so what? If people are unhappy, it's exactly because of that competition. The ability to do what you want is the real freedom. And nobody would stop working, let's be real, you would get bored out of your fucking mind. But you would switch to something you really really want to do. If that means people in your country can't afford the last iphone 17, then fuck it. Communism only failed because of the people who ran it.
Carter Hall
Assigning a job to a baby is a useless endeavor. If an adult is dissatisfied with their job in your society (as most will likely be if they are forced in to a job or told to choose at a young age) their productivity will be greatly reduced, especially if they have a large amount of talent to be wasted. A lack of productivity would lead to a comparative advantage of technology for other more free rival societies, especially since the dissatisfaction of the best and brightest would cause them to leave the commies behind.
This brain drain puts other societies at an even further advantage in comparison. And would eventually lead to the collapse of the hammer and sickle in the fashion of survival of the fittest.
Zachary Moore
Too long didn't read.
Anyway, after the revolution I want to be a secret police komissar, deal user? I always wanted to torture, but I love animals so I'd rather do it on humans.
Cooper Green
How is government elected? What if the job someone is assigned is not suitable for them? What if they are unhappy?
Christopher Bennett
Officials will choose their successors randomly from the population, the babies who have no mental disorders. Those babies will be groomed into politics all their lives, eventually succeeding the old officials. And I doubt they'd be unhappy, a baby is a blank slate and their likes and dislikes are formed from their environment and people around them. Being in an environment devoted to specializing in politics with their fellow classmates in the same course as them, will surely make them not dislike it.
Dylan Stewart
spoken like a true basement dweller. its like you've never had any kind of human interaction ever
Asher Powell
I think people would rather have a stable job and pay rather than risk going to a capitalist place where competition is insane and the losers are left jobless and broke on the streets. Even if they're forced into a job, they've been preparing all their childhood for it so they're probably at peace with the idea. Also they MUST keep their productivity up, or else risk not having enough pay from the government to afford food and basic human needs.
Liam Turner
Okay, a bit harsh.
But its basic child psychology, it's not like you expect a newborn to already know what hobbies it likes to do or what food it likes to eat, this is all formed from their interactions with people like their parents and friends. People become happy when they self-actualize and feel like they have a purpose, these people would have this in their workplace be it farming or politics, so they wouldn't be unhappy.
Jaxon Reyes
A logical extension of communism that completely neglect human choice, in favour of the collective. Even if it was implemented, somehow, it would result in massive depression, rejection and the same flaws of marxism
Christian Rodriguez
1. I don't think you understand the difference between a scientist and an engineer. 2. How is the leadership assigned? 3. What if a retard becomes an engineer or even worse the leader.
I could honestly write a book about how many flaws I can find in this retarded little text. But I obviously have better things to do.
Charles Perez
Well are you happy living in a society where you KNOW that there are millions of people just like you with hopes and dreams, and they're probably starving to death because they didn't have the skills for a job? Or that some large companies abuse their workers yet you still buy from them? I'm sure you're still pretty happy regardless though. So why shouldn't they be?
Brandon Barnes
That competition is the very reason why a capitalist society will always outproduced a communist society. It all depends on what you define as a loser. There will always be losers, people who are lazy and others who are unlucky. In a capitalist society there is always a way to improve life if you work harder, and it is short sighted to suggest that improvement in the quality of life depends solely on economic factors.
Isaac King
Well are you happy living in a society where you KNOW that there are millions of people just like you with hopes and dreams, and they're probably starving to death because they didn't have the skills for a job? Or that some large governments abuse their workers yet you still work for them? I'm sure you're still pretty happy regardless though. So why shouldn't they be?
Cameron Murphy
OP strongly recommend you learn more about how the actual USSR economy actually collapsed - the history of it in the 1970s and 1980s instead of unfounded political theory.
Hint: laborers shirking their jobs was an insignificant factor. check out black market, blat, gosplan
Nicholas Lee
>Every baby born is assigned a job by the state Found your problem
Jeremiah Nelson
>In a capitalist society there is always a way to improve life if you work harder no that's actually not true unfortunately. I mean sure it's true, but a day only has 24 hours whatever you do. The premisses of capitalism are wrong.
Isaac Peterson
Without a price system, how will you efficiently allocate resources?
Aiden Moore
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Bentley Ortiz
>Every baby born is assigned a job by the state, and they're taken to specialized schools for their entire childhood devoted to training them for their lifelong career in adult life, be it farming or something medical.
What if the baby wants to be a chav, or a fucboi?
>Every person in this society is employed and everyone is paid equally, no matter the profession.
Value is something no state has power to control, I can haggle whatever goods I wish.
The state is an idea, and ideas are something creatures make and share.
Also, people are culturally different, and communism is just autistic federalism. Society has always been shaped by those who are motivated to wield the hearts and minds of a public, but then again, hearts stop and minds change.
Charles Davis
>Science and math
Daniel Ross
It has been true for many people.
In any case, people have this illusion. In your society, they would not.
This is not science.
Camden Martinez
>So would this idea work? Right up until the people revolt and hang your centralist, dictatorial ass. Also, how's this communism?
Logan Barnes
>It has been true for many people. being miserable and having to work more is the opposite of being happy. Only the richest people benefit from "hurrrrr you can work more if you want more durrrr" while the rest are just wagecucks stuck in a job they hate to subsit in order to come to that job they hate.
People who benefit are those who have the capital to invest OR convince someone to invest in them and actually succeed, which is not that common. The richest people in the world don't get their money from salaries. They have their money working for them.
Nolan Green
>implying working hard hasn't lifted people out of poverty, which is inarguably a better life fucking kill yourself man, we weren't talking about happiness
If you try to say that going from poverty to lower middle class isn't an improvement, please explain to me why you think someone starving on the streets is just as happy as someone with a small house and doesn't have to worry about having money to eat
Xavier Hall
We were talking about hapiness. Everything is about hapiness until you bring capitalism and "who has the biggest financial cock" in the discussion.
Hudson Thompson
Not him, but not everyone that works hard gets rich, not even a significant amount, yes there are cases but that's more of an exception than a rule.
Jackson Russell
>be peasant living in communist hellhole devised by an edgy teenager >have no interest in my job >have no aptitude for my job >my job was assigned decades before I was able to work, and it is no longer economically necessary
>machine breaks down due to normal wear and tear >supervisor says it's my fault >entire pay will be docked for several years as a result >since it's communism I can't complain for fear of being accused of being reactionary
8/10, most retarded attempt at reinventing a failed political/economic scheme I've seen today.
Joshua Martinez
How is communism a political scheme?, actually one of the problems I see in it is that it stops at the economical level thinking it solves the social and political problems
Chase Hill
>How is communism a political scheme? How is your idea communism? (assuming you're OP) All it really has in common with historical communism is "central planning"/dictatorship. Where the socialism?
Luke Edwards
Interesting that you ignored the more important points in both of my posts
Please read the thread. You both missed my main point. I'd appreciate is you could go find it, as it wasn't hidden. It was very clear.
Jackson Nguyen
>communist >job chosen by the state >paid equally >etc..
Please user, communist means equal opportunity, not equal everything.
Ryan Brooks
bernfag pls
Lucas Edwards
>an improved communist society
and don't come back
Brayden Hughes
But both left and right wing have shown to turn into a clusterfuck. What else is there to do ? :^(
Isaiah Jackson
Maybe if we just add all the bad ideas together, somehow they will combine into a good idea.
Just like how the sum of all natural numbers is -1/12.
Owen Wood
Maybe the extremes aren't where the answer lies, and the normies had it right the whole time.
Michael Rodriguez
You can't stop the government going radical since it's always the government thats slipping off to the deep ends. Given the time, all governments will start going totalitarian establishments.
Luis Myers
A properly functioning democracy will abolish these things after some time, which we've seen many times over the past century in the US and elsewhere.
Andrew Evans
> A properly functioning democracy A premise that many people in government truly dreamed of. But as I said, you can't stop establishments getting corrupted over time, no matter how well-intentioned you are.