Gf is fantasing about rape and getting off to fuck-machine porn

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If you don't like it and she's trying to make you part of it, then you need to confront her.

Personally I think you're a bitch for not just giving it to her extra rough, since most girls like that anyway.

Also: rape fantasies =/= wanting to get raped. I could crank it to breast expansion, but if some chick's tits started growing visibly irl I'd probably call 911.

board policing is geek shit too retard

>protip: don't give her the sexual release she is looking for and she'll go and find a guy who will.

Do you really think that's how we work lol. You're dumb. She has feelings for this dude probably, telling her kindly no isn't going to fucking end a relationship are you mad.

Don't tell someone to do something they're uncomfortable with doing sexually. That's not cool.

>Personally I think you're a bitch for not just giving it to her extra rough, since most girls like that anyway.

i think it's a bit much to call him a bitch. it's just new territory for him. he just needs to be more dominant perhaps. some girls just like to be really submissive, and they can only be really submissive if you're being really dominant. you need to be at the same level.

first, psychoanalysis works as well as antidepressants. everything we know about the mind/brain/dualism can be debunked in all sorts of ways because the last thing we got right was we can't really know anything.

second, freud is a massive thing in literature and had a massive impact on culture.

third, you probably read sci-fi and pop-sci, thinking nothing of your mediocrity in taste or understanding.

meanwhile the book i suggested which was written by a grill easily slots quotes from Goethe in German into a scene about being anally raped by a psychoanalyst, while also praised by psychoanalysts as being the most lucid explanation of psychoanalysis available in fiction or scholarship.

>tl;dr- dead whores are better literary and scientific conversation than you

> you probably read sci-fi and pop-sci, thinking nothing of your mediocrity in taste or understanding.

You are talking to a major in developmental psychology.

your funny

thanks

>Do you really think that's how we work lol.

"we"? not all women think the same as you or follow the same motivations. i'm only speculating maybes here whereas you're actually trying to speak on behalf of all of them. if anyone is being dumb here it's you.

and there is a good chance that she could leave if she isn't getting what she really wants in bed. how is that possibly unreasonable to assume? are you seriously saying that women never leave relationships for that reason?

the first one ends in nazi bayonets in vagina and has scenes that are on par with visitor Q for weird but it's more gory than visitor Q. it's a very good book, but it's definitely the darker side of sex.

the second one is more realistic since it's based on the author's life, about a daddy daughter thing she had with a psychologist she met in a pub. you could read it as being about traumatic bonding.

both will probably make you a bit more fucked up if you're a normie, and a bit less fucked up if deleting your porn history before suicide is a major concern for you

>protip
yep aware of that

not a bitch, just catholic background :3 i've been giving it to her roughly up to this point, rape thing came about because a woman was raped on her street and this is turning her on... so mixing my real life concern for her and her fantasies.. don't think is a bitch thing, but yea just new for me

i agree more with the woman user here bud
she's undoubtedly in love with me, she wants to marry etc.

You're a major bore, I wasn't sincere, what I meant is that you are full of shit and it's apparent.

>Catholic background
>not a bitch
You need to be honest with yourself. The church tried to mold you into a bitch, and it at least partly succeeded. Get your balls back, but don't pretend they aren't missing. Best way to find them is to listen for the sound of vigorous slapping against your gf's ass the next time she brings this up.

>rape thing came about because a woman was raped on her street and this is turning her on...

if she is basing it off a real event that happened nearby that sounds pretty morbid bro. i'd agree with the other anons and maybe just talk to her about it and work through it emotionally but don't do anything like that. maybe even a therapist might help, because drawing fantasies from a scenario where a woman was legitimately attacked in your street is some next level weirdness. the more you post about it the more red flags are popping up.

>i agree more with the woman user here bud

yeah after OPs last post i do too.

>only way to be a MAN is to FUCK A BITCH REAL HARD YEEEAAAHHH

Am I on the right board?

If you're incapable of fucking a girl hard enough then that's not a great sign with regards to other aspects of your masculinity.

yeah this is clear, in sex you become your sex, you have* to be a 'hard cock'

*you don't have to be anything but if you want to get laid repeatedly this helps

is there no way to be catholic and keep your balls intact?

We make allowance for the Catholics to not take that advice as manly gay rape sex like the Greeks or classicists would ever since their childcare/pederasty translation problem blew up again.

Let him be straight. It is the better way.

If you derive any worth or value from some societally-imposed notion of masculinity, specifically one that centers on your ability to sexually dominate a woman, that's not a great sign in general.

I'm not dismissing masculinity as a concept or ideal, but the one you seem to be espousing is off-puttingly narrow, in a broader social context.

>that's not a great sign in general.

No that most straight men on the planet in general is what that is.

see You can do whatever you want, but that doesn't mean it will work out for you. If you want to please women sexually (there are numerous reasons you could want to accomplish this, so let's not go down that tangent) then applying some force and urgency is going to be get you further than making every aspect of your life about fighting the power.

But how is it any better or worse than deriving worth or value from a memetically-imposed notion of humanism which rejects conventional notions of masculinity?

With any sort of ideological thinking you're always just picking your poison.

You're not wrong. Though, the notion of it "get[ting] you further" is kind of a sticky one; I suppose if your goal in the first place is just to fuck/satisfy as many women as possible, then yeah, sure.

I agree, the majority of straight men in general—at least, in my experience—are probably that way. I just happen to fundamentally disagree with that worldview, is all.

My last girlfriend liked being choked, so I would oblige her, but without taking any added pleasure from it. I just don't particularly enjoy the feeling. I'm glad there are other guys who are willing to admit the same, without other people pretending it's because they're somehow "less of a man." That's absurd.

>But how is it any better or worse

For starters, "conventional notions of masculinity" are marked by and conducive to emotional immaturity, posturing, predisposition toward violence—you know, general autism.

>inb4 beta
>inb4 nu-male

No one ever said you had to like all the weird shit some bitches are into. But even you admit that you ultimately did it because it was what she wanted instead of pussying out because you didn't like it.

Having limits isn't bad, but rapeplay is extremely tame compared to a lot of other shit she could've been into. It's really not a big deal, and treating it like one is part of what drives the taboo that then turns into a fantasy in the first place.

>even you admit that you ultimately did it because it was what she wanted instead of pussying out because you didn't like it.

I did it because I liked her and I wanted her to feel good, and it was neutral for me. My point is that it has nothing to do with this "manhood" nonsense.

Meme-humanism is marked by and conducive to faux-sincere posturing, pretending to care about "causes", and a predisposition toward pseudo-intellectuality.

Again, it's fine if you prefer one form of retardation to another, but acknowledging that they're both forms of retardation is the first step to not getting memed.

>the notion of it "get[ting] you further" is kind of a sticky one
Not since I stated that you have to have the goal of satisfying woman/women, but thanks for restating my post. It doesn't even need to be in the context of promiscuity. Imagine you're in a culture where you get an arranged marriage. You like your wife and all, but you're both virgins and you're not gonna be getting any on the side. Would it not be a good thing for the wellness of yourself and your family to figure out how to give your wife sexual satisfaction?

You seem way too hung up on being contrarian. If you set a goal, you can progress to it. If you don't, then you can't. If OP wants to satisfy this girl, he's gonna need to try the "traditionally masculine" thing.

>conducive to
>le slippery slope
Good luck achieving anything except virtue signalling without tapping into those retrograde tendencies.

>Meme-humanism is marked by and conducive to faux-sincere posturing, pretending to care about "causes", and a predisposition toward pseudo-intellectuality.

What does any of this have to do with rejecting conventional notions of masculinity? You're imposing this weird false dichotomy where I'm either a "normal" straight male who derives his self-worth from being a good fuck, or a "meme-humanist" who "pretends to care about 'causes.'" Where did I say anything remotely suggestive of what you're talking about?

>I just happen to fundamentally disagree with that worldview, is all.

Then you're an exception to the rule. But the rule is still the rule. This is how most men like it. It's primal. Not intellectual.

It's implied pretty heavily in your failure to see anything but, "emotional immaturity, posturing, predisposition toward violence—you know, general autism" in masculinity. We've heard this same song and dance enough to know what is meant.

Sorry, I think you and I are just having different discussions—which might be my fault, since I'm replying to three other people ITT. In the context of just this situation, I agree with you. Let's just leave it at that.

>He can't fuck a girl and also be an emotionally well-adjusted adult

Good luck attaining any sort of meaningful fulfillment from your life.

It's implied pretty heavily in your failure to see anything but, "emotional immaturity, posturing, predisposition toward violence—you know, general autism" in masculinity. We've heard this same song and dance enough to know what is meant.

>"normal" straight male who derives his self-worth from being a good fuck
People fuck. Being good at it is part of being good at being a healthy person. Men do it to, and therefore to some extent, a man who's good at fucking is good at being a man.

No, it seems to me like a pretty open-and-shut case of you falsely equating what I'm saying with a bunch of other unrelated shit. My critical attitude toward conventional notions of masculinity has nothing to do with this "meme-humanism" bullshit you insist on expounding upon. Forgive me if the correlation isn't immediately obvious to anyone in this thread but yourself.

>We've heard this same song and dance enough to know what is meant.

Who's "we"? God, you sound insufferable. Hop off my dick already.

>in the context of this situation, I agree with you
I don't want to leave it at that. You clearly can't see how that situation relates to the larger phenomenon of men deriving some of their self-worth from being good at sex. We want to be good at things we do, and sex is one of those things we all do. The hand-wringing about people wanting to git gud is just weird.

You have a dick? Seems like an unnecessarily dangerous weapon for such a progressive fellow. You could rape someone! If you're really secure in yourself, you'll just get that removed. After all, penis-having is an important aspect of traditional notions of masculinity.

>Good luck attaining any sort of meaningful fulfillment from your life.

Not that user but there are a lot of people in the world who fuck way rougher than you apparently do and I'm sure they live fulfilling and happy lives together.

The passive aggression levels are off the charts with this one.

Because I've apparently been incredibly unclear 'til this point, let me clarify: Being good or wanting to be good at sex is good and desirable. I want to be good at sex too. No one is saying otherwise. Please cool your jets.

What I'm trying to push back against isn't just masculinity as it relates to sex, because I'm not a retard who denies biology. What I am trying to push back against is the notion that we should cling to and encourage an ideal of masculinity that centers specifically on (and without regard to context) domination, aggression, and even abuse, whether inside or outside the bedroom.

I'm not pretending to make some brilliant contrarian point here. I'm just criticizing the language of "get your balls back, man" and "where's your manhood?" Such language, however jokingly delivered, just deepens the perceived association between a man's self-worth and his ability to choke a bitch in bed. Which is obviously unhealthy, and doesn't stay in the bedroom.

Also, specifically to you: I wasn't actually trying to make a point with that passive-aggressive comment, I was just blowing off some steam because of the insolence of the other user's post. I don't actually believe that people can't have rough consensual sex and also be fulfilled and happy human beings. Can we stop misrepresenting and distorting other people's views now?

>Le Nu-Male ITT

>brilliant Veeky Forums user calls me "nu-male"
>completely obliterates my views, along with all sense of self-worth

Please, I have a family.

Have fun making yourself an experimental case for ignoring all the things that make men useful to each other and appealing to women. I'm sure it'll make you very happy.

>Also, specifically to you: I wasn't actually trying to make a point with that passive-aggressive comment, I was just blowing off some steam

You say something as hilariously arrogant as "good luck attaining any sort of meaningful fulfillment from your life" to that guy and now you stand back and claim that you didn't mean it and you were just blowing off steam.

You don't stand by what you say. You're the kind of shifty self-righteous guy who can't cop to his own shit will perpetually move around the goal posts so he always comes out smelling like roses. You tell someone they have no option at a fulfilling life and you only consider that "blowing off some steam". No it isn't. It's you being a cunt. It's fine to be a cunt sometimes. It's human. Just cop to your shit.

get rid of her.

>all the things that make men useful to each other and appealing to women
>what is being well-educated and having skills
>what is having a comfy job with good benefits
>what is being a decent human being who treats people with respect

>I'm sure it'll make you very happy.
It's been working out pretty well so far?

>what is being well-educated and having skills
A great asset to a man who is also able to make use of dominance and aggression to advocate for his team and himself when necessary. Ever met a banker?

>what is having a comfy job with good benefits
Again, assertiveness is huge when it comes to being an asset.

>what is being a decent human being who treats people with respect
It could potentially interfere with your first two points if you take it far enough, but that's a matter of personal preference.

You have a family, correct? You really think that being a nice mellow guy is going to get every advantage for your children?

>>what is being a decent human being who treats people with respect

And when you aren't you don't count it and instead tell yourself it's just "blowing off steam" so you don't ruin the track record of "respectability" you so pride yourself in.

Fuckin passive aggressive estrogen queen.

Whoa, are you kidding me? The person I was responding to literally said, "Good luck achieving anything." I just shot back an equally "hilariously arrogant" response with an equal amount of thought and feeling put into it—i.e. none whatsoever. I'll cop to the fact that it was a childish response, but you can't honestly say it was any worse than what preceded it.
If I'd just said, "Kill yourself, my man," would you accept that as blowing off steam? Or would you imply that I'm actually encouraging suicide?

>You don't stand by what you say.
I've stood by everything else I've said in this thread. You're trying to justify your anger at me by claiming I'm shifting goalposts and whatnot, when the truth is, you read what you wanted to read into my posts. How else do you justify:

>You're the kind of shifty self-righteous guy who can't cop to his own shit will perpetually move around the goal posts so he always comes out smelling like roses.

And you're the kind of presumptuous prick who thinks he's got everyone else all figured out. How'd I do?

>are you kidding me?

see . I've been on the receiving end of a fuckton of hostility for most of this thread, so forgive me for lashing back at a particularly insolent user (the "Good luck achieving anything" one). If that disqualifies me from being a decent human being in any other aspect of my life, so be it.

>Fuckin passive aggressive estrogen queen.
Ooh, good one. I'll have to write that one down.

Yet you still feel the need to be right in a Veeky Forums argument in spite of allegedly having a good life. Who's the real loser here?

>The person I was responding to literally said, "Good luck achieving anything."

B-b-ut he did it f-f-first, Miss.

All you did here is show how wafer-thin your resolve about all of this really is. For all your highfalutin bullshit talk about "decency" you are ready to dive back into the mud with us other vile uncouth peasants and sling shit back and forth at the drop of a hat. All in the name of "decency". You're the kind of conflicted idiot who loves to shitpost but cannot ever bring himself to admit it so he needs to do it under the guise of some "cause".

Me? I just like to shitpost.

>And you're the kind of presumptuous prick who thinks he's got everyone else all figured out. How'd I do?

Great, if you count a blatant projection as something that's great. I don't purport to speak on the private lives of couples or how their choices personally affect them and that is all you have done in this thread.

>implying i care more about being right than trying to express a point
>implying me being on Veeky Forums invalidates everything else i've said heretofore, as well as the rest of my life

O you really got me, user

>deleting your porn history before suicide is a major concern for you

Shit, who hasn't thought of that?

why?

side note: the catholic side in me is kind of leaning onto this

open to theological and/or occult interpretations of this phenomena

>inb4 succubus

the people who need No Longer Human.

What did you mean by this?

>For all your highfalutin bullshit talk about "decency" you are ready to dive back into the mud with us other vile uncouth peasants and sling shit back and forth at the drop of a hat.
>you're just as bad as the rest of us!! admit it!!
Ok user, you got me. I'm a moral degenerate and a hypocrite. Can we get back to any semblance of an actual discussion?

>You're the kind of conflicted idiot who loves to shitpost but cannot ever bring himself to admit it so he needs to do it under the guise of some "cause".

This is the kind of presumptuousness I'm talking about. I absolutely despise shitposting. All the points I've been trying to make in this thread were genuine.

>I don't purport to speak on the private lives of couples or how their choices personally affect them and that is all you have done in this thread.
Oh god, is that all this has been? Did you think I was shaming you for getting kinky in the sack? I'm talking about the inherent unhealthiness of conventional masculinity, and you're saying, "Let people slap their girlfriends in bed if they want!" Jesus fucking Christ. I'm going to bed.

the people who don't bother to delete their porn history before an hero need different books to be their friends than the people who worry about that kind of thing.

>skim through entire thread
>no mention of Foucault
Holy shit just read him you fucking pseuds.
Also psychoanalysis is literal pseudoscience, nearly none of of it is replicable, by definition it's pseudoscience.
The only reason why it's "big" in lit is because when this garbage was getting debunked "experts" in the field saw that they weren't going to be respected for long and that they had spent their whole lives on pseudoscience so they tricked people into thinking that they were still relevant.

I get the aspect of masturbation creates "unclean" thoughtforms, and is a form of magic unwittingly practiced.

You make a good point, despite not realising Foucault is heavily influenced by Freud.

How can you people even care enough to argue like this? You're all wrong, you all suck, I'm going to bed

Kant was heavily influenced by June, doesn't give Hume any more credit.

>>Ok user, you got me. I'm a moral degenerate and a hypocrite.

Well you're definitely a hypocrite.

The other user is right. If you were really so "well-adjusted" you would've bailed ages ago. You're a prissy little sanctimonious douche who likes to act shitty like the rest of us but needs to convince himself the whole time that his shit doesn't stink.

>I wasn't being a shitty person, I was just blowing off steam, big difference there, user

Whatever you need to tell yourself, m8.

kek

>hurr

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Mate, this is a website for people who know nothing about women in general. Literally a site of amateurs in the in subject, all they can tell you is what they read that other people have told them. Theory.

it's a brilliant typo, have a laugh at these things sometimes, kids

>website for people who know nothing about women

The people who do aren't spouting off about "the nature of woman" all the time. Even if "Chad" sometimes has misogynistic thoughts he probably doesn't waste time typing them out into anonymous forums and discussing them with a bunch of virgins.

>essentializing masculinity

This board is hella basic

t. trans girl into rape play

>my face when OPs gf is the rapist

>defective person has defective desires

now THATS a surprise lmoa

It probably would've helped if you explained yourself in the beginning instead of just saying masculinity is for infantile retards. try justifying your position next time

Desire is as desire does, friendo. But I'm happier and better adjusted for transitioning, and I'm doing well in academia and have a lovely partner to boot. It's pretty cool.

Thanks

It was thoroughly debunked by all kinds of people. Which wasn't needed as common sense itself proved Freud to be nothing but a greedy buffoon.

Yes you do, whore.

Books by Nancy Friday
Sex God Method - Daniel Rose

>2016
>Fell for the decent human being meme

W I L L T O P O W E R

>Asking for a book about sexuality on Veeky Forums
>Asking anything about sexuality on Veeky Forums

You reap what you sow, OP.

Maybe with men cause 100% of the time you're not worth anything of value lol

>listening to women

avoid this one mistake and your life will be 10,000x better m8s

For every time a man says this he's fucked over ten women who want none of their shit to make them think this way lmfao