Pure or applied mathematics. Which is better and why?

Pure or applied mathematics. Which is better and why?

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bitch please, nothing is better than pure maths

app maths it's for those who doesn't have the guts to go pure

Can you give a good definition on what applied maths is and what pure maths is?

Pure is more fun but applied will probably have better job opportunities.

>pure v applied
I get that physicist degenerates use these terms, but it is far too ill-defined a false dichotomy to be used by actual mathematicians.

Maths student here. Applied maths should be banned

You're probably a maths student at a terrible university then.
>maths
UKfag detected, I'm one too - where do you go?

King's college.

That's why then.

I think I'd hate app maths in any college. What do you do?

>maths
Ugh. When exactly will this meme die?

What do you mean what do I do? If you mean what applied modules I've done then I've done Theory of ODEs (started out as something that I had no interest in, ended up wanting to take it into third year), Stochastic Processes (stats module - took it out of curiosity and now I'm looking into doing summer research in it).
Later on in third and fourth year the applied modules are some of the best there - they already require a good grounding in "pure" maths and this "applied" stuff very much require "pure" maths.
It's very difficult to draw a distinct line between pure and applied - if you say that you never want to do anything that has "applied" maths in it, then you're stuck finishing university at second year.
To give you an idea, stochastic processes requires:

bitches love pure maths

All of these butthurt pure math fags make me embarased to be in the same field as them. Good luck teaching applied mathematicians, and faggot engineers how to take derivatives for the rest of your lives. God knows thats all you fags are useful for.

>inb4 applied mathematicians hahaha kekekekek LEL bro woah super kekable meme bro

good luck licking corporate anus for the rest of your life, applied mathfag. There are few jobs more low stress than being a college instructor... you don't have to do research, you don't have to work summers, you don't even have to grade homework. Sure the pay is garbage, but when you got a job as easy as lecturing college students, who gives a shit?

t. bottom feeder

>implying you can't do that with an applied math degree

enjoy your $30,000 salary and angsty undergrads

You're missing the point. That guy was saying that pure mathematicians are forced to become instructors, and he was making instructor work out to be unenjoyable and unfulling. Even if those with a pure math degree had to become instructors (which is untrue), instructor work is hardly bad at all.

Maths is a tool that's used to solve problems in physics, chemistry, algorithms, electronics, Engineering etc.

Whats the point of pure math? I assume trying to solve currently unsolved mathematical problems, which will serve as a tool in the said fields.

Not a lot of job prospects come to mind. The top 10% of pure math people might be talented enough, but the remaining 90% will have a hard time

In my country we don't really make this distinction I think. Are you applying math constructions to specific models or spaces? Is computation theory for linear algebraic models applied math?
If so, that's basically what research focuses on.
Or is applied math restricted to financial/engineering models?
Because that can also be an academic pursuit.

You have succeeded in making the most redundant post in Veeky Forums history.

>user can you help us build this reactor?
>user can you help develop a model for this complicated reaction?
>user can you help us save this person's life by performing surgery?
>user can you help us build a better plane?

Thanks

applied math= higher focus on applied math

paure math/math= topology shitton of analysis

>applied math=applied math
Nice definition, you should write a paper about it.

Is applied math fun? How hard is it to get into applied math if you take the typical pure route?

I will after I've written the one I'm doing now that is about how banging your mom

you will porbably lack computational/numerical skills

Your a bit late man, the academic world is done with her by now.

>Pure or applied mathematics. Which is better and why?

Applied

Because if not

what's the point?

literally wew lad

You can give a pretty good set of guidelines by which multiple people would follow the guidelines and end up with very nearly the same clustering.

If you tell people that applied mathematics is using mathematics to solve a real world problem or develop a technique or prove some property holds with a real world (n.b. Real world here also includes computers) aim in mind while pure mathematics need have nothing whatsoever to do with the real world and is about logically proving results from axioms , then most people will be able to identify tgat some parts of mathematics are very applied like statistics and fluid mechanics, others are very pure like algebraic number theory, while others can be pure or applied depending on what the focus is like partial differential equations.

And these clustering a will be quite robust since most people will arrive at clusterings that are almost the same.

An undergrad isn't really qualified to talk about what the difference is between pure and applied maths since any mathematics post doc or PhD student whether pure or applied will know everything that a mere undergrad would.

All the "pure maths" you list as prerequisites for stochastic processes shouldn't really considered pure maths but fundamental, basic maths that any working mathematician, pure or applied ought to know.
I mean to call undergraduate linear algebra or measure theory or analysis "pure maths" is as silly as trying to say that addition and subtraction are pure maths.

Pure and applied is a vague grouping or notion that only really makes sense at postgrad level.

Applied maths is the most fun in my opinion.

Just look at the juicy kinds of questions and problems that get solved in operational research.

statslab.cam.ac.uk/~rrw1/research/unsolved.html

statslab.cam.ac.uk/~rrw1/talks/index.html

And optimal control theory.
If you're strong in analysis and differential equations then you should get into variational calculus and from there try optimal control theory.

It seems to have no point initially, but its point becomes evident when physics and engineering catch up. Sticking to what's already known is for wage slaves.

> cure cancer using "pure math" theorem
> rake in the big bucks while pure mathies are still slaving away as the university's bitch, making garbageman money and inventing more theorems which they will never reap benefits from

The tougher question would be

Pure or sex. Which is better and why?

Although it's hard to compare anything to needs such as sleep, eating or sex, I'd probably go with pure math here.
Mind you, I'm not an autistic virgin sperg, I've had sex 2 says ago. I'm an autistic charismatic person.

I think a better question would have been love instead.
Was the sex that you had with someone that you love or just sex for the sake of your ejaculation?

If you never apply it, physics and engineering never catch up

I am ashamed to say that I know the definition of cohomology with coefficients in some ring, but I cannot do simple integrals, let alone solve ODEs.
Of course, that may just mean that I am a shit mathematician in general, not a 'pure' one

I suspect all of the greats of the past had a very thorough grounding in physics/applied maths.

it is like you are retarded without knowing it yourself.

kys scum.

>applied mathematics

build bombs, maximize the yields of bombs, murders people, basis of the satanic usury financial system

>pure maths

pure

Just a fuck buddy.
But >what is love
The question doesn't change much if you move form "sex" to "sex with someone you love". Even when I had sex with people who are closer to me, it's not always exciting. If you're with ya gf for 3 months, then the sex you'll have that night is probably going to be your and her routine way of fucking.
Certainly, there are great, tender and exciting sex sessions, and those will be better than you average math session, but there is also the moment when you learn and understand this and that notion for the first time, or the point of a theory or the insight of the author of a great historical paper and that's much better than standard sex.
As I said, I think it's questionable to compare needs to things that only humans can do (creating math, literature, a symphony), but if I interpret the question as "what would you give up forever, sex or the capability to have new math insights", then assuming I can still connect to people, I'd drop sex. It's like asking a young Bob Dylan to give up his ability to hear and comprehend lyrics and music. Sure he's a man and feels he needs to fuck, but who would this man be without music.

Applied mathematics is a job to me, and the thing you need to justify doing math, because of money reasons. The times where you develop a new algorithm to solve a practical problem are far inbetween, and in practice it's mostly just work. I don't want to diss it, thought, because to be honest I now feel like I'm just collecting the pearls of the game and define that which is pretty to be the pure stuff.

There is no such thing as pure math without applications.

What IF there actually exist branches in applied math that people think are even cooler than topology?

applied math can be thoguht a little like physics but the difference is that there aren't really ANY boundary to what you want to model also you learn to be good with computers which makes you even better at it.

conclusion:

If you want to be REALLY good at modelling and have wide or even narrow interesting fields you want to measure and create ways to model it choose applied math.

Maybe that is just a trick to raise your stress levels and starting to underestimate him.

In that case it wasn't very retarded because it seemed to work pretty well..

>it is like

do you know what it means?

either way I think he is a scum and should kys.

Why would you use algebra or analysis when you could just guess the solutions to an equation randomly?

Because it is likely to go faster. More advanced theory can give us newer tools to attack problems. Those new theories are not gonna make themselves.

the real problem with applied mathematics is that it's used by a lot of people who don't understand the (simple and beautiful) theories underlying the things they apply, so you end up with a bunch of horribly inconsistent notation, lots of different names for what are essentially trivialities, etc.

examples: all of statistics and physics

>khs

Yes it usually means

>it seems to me that

which means you told him he successfully made you frustrated with how unintelligent he seemed. You should not teach people how to do that. They can use it as a weapon on you.

Math without applications is philosophy tier. Might as well jerk off over "cannot know nuffin".

The notation only seems inconsistent to you. Those in the field have no problem understanding what is being written.
We have a similar example in mathematics with partial derivatives of higher order where we have several different notations for the same thing. For example, the following all mean the same thing:
[eqn] \frac{\partial ^3f}{\partial x^2 \partial y}\,\,\, \partial_{xxy}f \,\,\, \mathrm{D}^{(2,1)}f\,\,\,f_{xxy} \,\,\, f_{xxy}^{'''} \,\,\, f_{112} \,\,\, f_{112}^{'''} \,\,\, f_{,112}[/eqn]

You usually don't know if it will be applicable before you've built it and seen what it can do.

Haha, wow. You are autistic.

Physicist here. How does it feel to know that we're functionally better at maths than you?

bait also you are the samefag from start.

kys.

Engineer here, more interesting to figure out how to build cool stuff with it imo, so it feels quite OK.

>Even when I had sex with people who are closer to me, it's not always exciting.
I've been having sex with my gf for the past 2 years and every session has been exciting. If made to decide whether I would drop her or maths I would throw my hands in the air and be unable to decide - so I agree that they're not very comparable, or at least, not easily comparable, since they're two very different things.

please go undergrad shitfag

Nah I hopped in here

OK I believe you.

>MFW got a first in physics undergraduate and doing a masters in mech eng.

Switching to engineering has really taken the pressure off this year, and I'll be very employable with my physics background. This is how you win.

>yfw you can switch from maths to any other degree easily
good luck if you ever try to switch from anything else to maths though

Anything undergrad is rather easy. At least over here. Just keep at it and do your best and you will probably be fine.

Nah time to go out in the sun and derive a way to incorporate a new functionality into muh framework.

Try switching from maths to experimental physics :)

Do I have to say it twice?
>yfw you can switch from maths to any other degree easily
The "any other" part refers to a degree that isn't maths, e.g. experimental physics :)

I said try :) There's no way you would succeed.

Why?
People doing maths here easily switch to physics, engineering, art, languages whatever. Some even opt to take modules from other degrees rather than switching completely.
All you have to do is fill out an "unusual options" form which always gets approved if you're a maths student but is there since it's a university admin thing.
A student in physics will have a very tough time getting a module in maths approved however.

Ah, you're talking about early undergrad. Any degree can switch to any other then mate, there's no specialisation.
I'm talking about postgrad/masters level.

Obviously for postgrad it's pretty impossible, but for masters it very much is - for maths masters is just the fourth year of undergrad.

Both are cool but of low value outside academia.

t. real scientist

Literally how Brits say it dickhead.

>Can't decide between a person who potentially loves you and makes life a little better or some scribbles on a piece of paper

Come on user, surely you can't be this autistic? I can understand if you think she may not be the one or something but there is no way you can prefer math to your girl. Unless she cheated on you, then by all means drop her

ahahahaha alright you got me and made me genuinely laugh - but the person I was replying to couldn't make up his mind and I didn't want to make him feel bad.

I know you were trying to meme, but garbagemen actually make decent pay.

All good senpai. I feel like his argument would only pertain to extreme cases though, like if you had some math savant or genius whose contributions to the field would be incomparable to basic things like sex. While I believe in my abilities to research and discover some things, I would never compare those abilities to an actual genius. Therefore, I could never drop my girl.

Btw, she cute?

Agreed. I mean, although it would be nice to be able to make great contributions, it'd be a bit silly (and arrogant) to say that you'd drop a nice relationship for it if you're not actually a genius make said contributions.
A genuine qt 3.14 that I don't even deserve to have met in the first place. How about you user?

Mine is a cute busty girl that was part of my dance team. She's great and will make stacks in the future (pharmacy)

Are you me? Mine was also part of a dance team, except she has the bustiest butt. She's in psych/physics (yeah didn't know that you could do that either).

Haha she was one of those forbidden fruit on my team since I was the head instructor. She helped eased my stress when I was dying studying for EM and whatnot

It's like one of those forbidden professor-student relationships! Girlfriends are surprisingly great for exam stress, who would have known. I thought I'd feel bad for putting her to the side to study, but she really calms pre-exam nerves.

Ah someone who understands. I also felt bad when she was on the side when I had to absolutely study but she understood as she had to pull the same stuff when her exams came around.

Exactly the same here! I have no idea how to reciprocate and calm her exam nerves when it's her turn - luckily she doesn't get these much at all which makes me jealous though.
What do you do, if you do something?

I act strict lol, she gets easily distracted and I always have to tell her to go study. After a while, maybe like an hour or so, we fool around so she's not completely ignored. Sometimes, we just have sex before the studying so neither of us are horny afterwards. Unfortunately (or not), her drive is higher than mine so that only lasts for like 2 hours.

If she's got a higher sex drive than you, she'll be getting her fucking from somewhere else. You should be careful about her, mate.

Nah, I fuck her enough times in a day to keep her more than satisfied. Not gonna lie though, my dick gets tired but that's why I learned to use tongue. It's all about timing user

Will you shut the fuck up?

underrated

someone get these redditors into a chatroom

ahahaha mine used to be like that in our early days too, getting her to study was a nightmare. She studies on her own and studies outside of her stuff on her own too which surprises me every single time. There was a period where I was so surprised that I ended up taking pictures of her studying and showing them to her later while going "who the fuck is this?"
And that's nice and not unfortunate at all user!

>Veeky Forums can't handle the happiness of others

Projecting user? What happened to you?

Tell me about your gf's

>implying this piece of shit thread was going anywhere

I've got a higher sex drive than my gf and I cheat on her all the time to get my dick wet.

You're disgusting user.

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What do any of these posts have to do with mathematics?