Reminder if you read IJ and not Ulysses you're part of the problem...

He was Albanian, user.

Just a bunch of puns.

Albanian. I remember because I am Albanian too, was going to post the translations instead of him since he had gone a day or so without responding, but couldn't because I was banned.

Anyway, can confirm he uses a few Albanian words in it successfully.

>30+ different languages
>just puns
lolk

No, it's because of people with dumbass rich wing views that Veeky Forums is going to shit.

>I don't like Infinite Jest

>Harold Bloom
Bloom sucks. He just sucks. The fact that he riled so much over new historic, feminist, and post colonial criticism of Shakespeare shows how much of an academic ole babby he is because anyone trying to use cultural criticism to interpret his favorite works as anything other than "perfect" makes him sperg the fuck out. I can't imagine he'd take a fancy to any post modern work save for maybe Lolita. I'd love to hear him rant about how terrible Gravity's Rainbow must be to him.

oh boy, if you think that the Albanian word play in the Wake is good, take a look at the Greek and Latin. It's everywhere and gets pretty ridiculous at times.

Fuck off, troll.

Hey we have nothing against Poor wingers as long as they stay in the poor wing. The fact they constantly try to enter Rich Wing Nations is why the world is going to shit.
Can't Fly richly with poor feathers.

I wish I was rich wing :(

>IJ BTFO
>DFW on suicide watch...oh wait

Harold Bloom, i.e the man who unironically uses Blood Meridian as a justification for his leftist stance on gun politics.

He is the definition of pseud

youtube.com/watch?v=1cuccco2umo

1:15

youtube.com/watch?v=1cuccco2umo

>1cuccco2umo

>unironically uses Blood Meridian as a justification

You're not that smart, are you?

what if I haven't even read a single book of the meme trilogy?

I hardly read anything that was written after the death of Queen Victoria. I think my shitposting is just fine in spite of this limitation

It's a badge of honor IWBH

>anyone who doesn't value Blooms shitty flawed formalist opinions is a troll
ur dumb m8

You'd think so, but you'd be increibly wrong to think so. Read them or GTFO. Or GTFO until you've read them. It'll get you up to speed.

The problem is that you have no idea what Bloom's "shitty opinions" even are. You may be the dumbest person ever to post on Veeky Forums. That's quite an accomplishment.

I read half of IJ, that was more than enough for me.

Defend Bloom's Bardolatry and inexorable stance when it comes to any cultural criticism against Shakespeare

It's weird. He tries to make Shakespeare whatever he wants him to be for a particular position, then gets pissed when SJW and their ilk try to do the same. Why is Bloom so provincial?

shakespeare INVENTED THE HUMAN retard

get good

>he can't think, he can't write
That's a comma splice. Ironic of him to accuse someone of not being able to write.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_splice#Acceptable_uses
>Strunk & White notes that splices are sometimes acceptable when the clauses are short and alike in form

retard

Bloom praised Pynchon and called GR his masterpiece

Serbo-Croatian is also very dominant.

The very first page is done in the form of Slavic antithesis, a poetic device used in Serbian epic poetry.

Check out:
>finwake.com/1024chapter1/1024finn1.htm

Pasted from the glossary:
>pas encore (fr) - not yet + 'passencore = pas encore and ricorsi storici of Vico' (Joyce's letter to HSW) + The Slavic antithesis is a stylistic device used in Serbian epic poetry: "Oh, dear God! A great Wonder! / Is it thunder, is it the earth quaking? / Is it the sea which clashes 'gainst the coastland? / is it the vilas fighting over Popine? / It isn't thunder, nor is the ground shaking, / nor is the sea clashing against the coast, / nor are the vilas fighting over Popine; / It is the cannons, fired at Zadar."

He makes use of S-C words all the time. There's ''mishe mishe'' on the first page, too. Mish means mouse, for example.

I can agree with the user who translated Albanian. It really is a joy to read when you understand the passage.

>Dumbass rich wing
>Pic of Rich Wing White Boy
Literally, wake up sheeple

I haven't read either

Get rekt fgt

I liked IJ and I don't feel the need to let people know that I've read it (the exception being now, of course). I also love DFW's essays.

I'll agree that IJ was bloated, even Mary Karr said something similar, but it's still a valuable book, IMO.

but mate pynchon is one of his favourite authors of the twentieth century

>The fact that he riled so much over new historic, feminist, and post colonial criticism of Shakespeare shows how much of an academic ole babby he is

Or it shows how much of a Veeky Forumserati patrician he is, because he doesn't give your shitty 20th century (((theories))) the time of day.

Really? Huh, would not expect that at all
>throwing out an entire field of literary discourse because "muh human condition!"
>acceptable ever
plebs maximus es

>gets btfo
>still posting

gas yourself

>not realizing Bloom is the ultimate patrician

The only thing that irritates me with him is his "Shakespeare is the best that ever was or will be" but that's understandable and I partly feel the same.

Plus he's the coolest, perhaps the only cool, kind of Jew. The Kubrick/Kafka honest kind.

Crab mentality.

How can I trust Harold Bloom's opinion on anything other than he's old and he's read more books than I ever will in my lifetime?

Roger Ebert saw an innumerable amount of films in his lifetime but that didn't make his opinions any less worthless to me.

I don't understand the pseud/patrician dichotomy. It's just gay as fuck, it's all based on what tastes you have.

Of course I understand it's important to have standards of excellence within yourself and society and if you draw out those lines exclusively for yourself you can turn out a massive idiot.

What I am saying is why do we take it all so seriously? Why is it SO important to be "patrician" and not a "pleb"? Is it compensating for the lack of something more substantial in their lives?

They want another notch on the bedpost. FW is a mating for life.

I really feel in my gut of guts he finally felt he had some sort of theory at one point that would be like a wider ranging bicameralism with Shakespeare being the first primo example of self reflection or true awareness or something. Like the beginning of a truly individualised age. But then bicameralism failed and that gnostic novel shit was published and he got real real grumpy.

You should read T.S. Eliot's thoughts on literary criticism. People like Bloom give writers a starting point, without them many great works of literature would not have been possible.

>We assume the gift of a superior sensibility. And for sensibility wide and profound reading does not mean merely a more extended pasture. There is not merely an increase of understanding, leaving the original acute impression unchanged. The new impressions modify the impressions received from the objects already known. An impression needs to be constantly refreshed by new impressions in order that it may persist at all; it needs to take its place in a system of impressions. And this system tends to become articulate in a generalized statement of literary beauty.

More and more I understand why Joyce hated Eliot

>On a trip to Paris in August 1920 with the artist Wyndham Lewis, he met the writer James Joyce. Eliot said he found Joyce arrogant—Joyce doubted Eliot's ability as a poet at the time—but the two soon became friends, with Eliot visiting Joyce whenever he was in Paris.[29] Eliot and Wyndham Lewis also maintained a close friendship, leading to Lewis's later making his well-known portrait painting of Eliot in 1938.

wat, they were contemporaries.

Yes, a "starting point". Yet, still just a starting point. However, why should I trust this man's starting point if he hasn't proved himself as an author himself? If I was an author, I would be more inclined to trust the criticisms of a man who has more knowledge in the art of creating literature rather than the body of knowledge of literature itself.

Anyways, I feel like people will ride on the coattails of revered critics only to make themselves have a false sense of vindication for their "tastes", which probably were non-existent before the discovery of several critics. The same could be said of cultures and movements.

Of course I am not just impling "b ureslef lmao xd" don't get me wrong for one of those fuckers. However, all I am stating is if you take critics too seriously you won't be you will lack substantiality within yourself. If you fool yourself into thinking you are better than someone because of tastes you have constricted your mind with something down the line. At least that is my opinion of it at the moment, I could be wrong.

excuse my fuck up at the end there my brain is shitty and slow today, was rephrasing and forgot to delete a chunk of the previous phrase.

I would imagine that that excerpt is from an Eliot centric book given that Eliot was a Joyce fan boy. Joyce I don't think appreciated the present Eliot got him when Pound introduced them. And Woolf amd Eliot were good friends but Woolf really hated Joyce. Joyce actually wanted to sue Eliot for some shit but his agent talked him out of it. At best the feelings from Joyce were lukewarm.

And Proust was a jealous cock and Hemmingway was a great guy. Beckett is often depicted as a betrayer or something but I think they were alright really.

>Beckett is often depicted as a betrayer or something but I think they were alright really
yeah bc he wouldnt fuck joyce's clinically insane sister... im of the belief that Beckett's work trancends Joyce's

>why should I trust this man's starting point if he hasn't proved himself as an author himself? If I was an author, I would be more inclined to trust the criticisms of a man who has more knowledge in the art of creating literature rather than the body of knowledge of literature itself.
Idk, when author's turn critics they usually come off bad. Their egos get in the way-Nabokov pretty much shit all over everybody

>And Proust was a jealous cock
Umm what? Proust was completely ignorant of Joyce's existance. There was a story about Joyce seeing him at a party and going total fanboy when he meets him. He wants to chill with Proust after the party and Proust tells him to fuck off.

Daughter* and I think that's all bullshit. He used to visit her regularly at St Andrews and visit her grave regularly after she died. I think it helped that Northampton has a really good cricket team tho. But beyond just everyone being sad I don't think there was any ill will.

flavorwire.com/318990/when-marcel-proust-met-james-joyce

I am inclined to believe Joyce being a codgety old bastard farting and snoring and winding up the name dropping Proust. Joyce pulled fan boy shit with Ibsen and I think Hamsun?

i find it hard to believe that either was unaware of the other's work

Unreliable authors

>people who only watch and look forward to more capeshit aren't ruining /tv/

You're a fucking idiot. If the only books I read were garbage YA(redundant) or King or other shit I would hope someone would tell me to fuck off.

They managed to ruin the kino meme

The retard knows. He's just been shitposting that virtually every 5th thread

off topic question incoming...

on a ten day trip should I bring The Bible (KJV) or Infinite Jest?

neither
the Bible isn't exactly a book for going on trips
Infinite Jest is bad

>the Bible isn't exactly a book for going on trips
because its in every hotel so taking it is redundant or??

You might be different, but the Bible is something I need to feel inspired to pick up. It's not exactly a read before bed every night, mark your page with a bookmark type deal. Not ideal for trips, imo

>the Bible is something I need to feel inspired to pick up
That is a wacky af statement m8.

Memes and meta posts are ruining Veeky Forums. Yes, we all know the memers don't read. But ones that actually read IJ and Ulysses can stay since they actually read. Who cares if you think they are pseuds, you're just a meta poster who doesn't want to make a thread on literature.

Such a strange post.

Yeah, I don't even know what I meant.