>be me
>in Physics class today
>professor talks about how he was doing his PhD in Mechanical Engineering after five years of being out of Academia
>Got his undergrad degree in Physics
>Talks about how the Engineering students couldn't do the raw Math as good as people who were into Physics
>Talks about how Physics cannot be done without Math
Anyone else has a Veeky Forums autist as a college professor?
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>Talks about how Physics cannot be done without Math
Well he's right
>Talks about how the Engineering students couldn't do the raw Math as good as people who were into Physics
Seems very likely. Especially considering how mechanical engineering doesn't require as much maths as physics does. At the same time, people who study a degree because they enjoy the material rather than because it gets them jobs (i.e. typical physicist vs typical engineer) are probably going to put the effort into learning the material.
My favorite physics professor always had rants about engineers' incompetence in math.
Here's a video about such an occasion:
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Although it's in Hungarian, his gestures are pretty universal. At 0:40 ha asked people to raise hands if they could calculate the eigenvectors of a 2x2 matrix. Few people raised their hands, and then he went into rant mode about the lack of basic math education, the whole higher education system and then drew some parallels with politics aswell. Based sperg teacher.
I'm an enigneering grad and have gone on about this at length on Veeky Forums. Fuck engineering degrees. They're corporate cuckoldry training mickey mouse tier shitheaps of degrees.
A lot of physics professor's think they're pretty fucking cool.
I had a math major in my modern phys class, and the professor was saying to him he's met more physicists that are better at math than math majors. Which is a stupid argument, since math people are usually doing analysis/logic stuff where as physics is a bunch of calculus.
I'm doing mathematical physics, so I guess I'm just better than all of you.
Engineering isn't science get the fuck out
And I am a politiconomysopher of mathematical biophysichemistry. Feels nice to be on top.
>professor says things which are true
>sperglord engineering major gets mad because he chose a degree that wouldn't teach him advanced math
>comes to Veeky Forums and complains
When you've spent a few years tutoring mechanical engineering majors in Newtonian mechanics, you start to give up on them as a whole. A huge number of them really have no conceptualization of physics or math beyond "this is the equation I use and this is the software I use to solve the equation for me."
>be me
>go on tinder
>match with a cute guy with engineering major
>he likes that I'm a physics undergrad
>we start talking about math and physics
>he doesn't know what a tensor is
>he doesn't even know what a linear transformation is
>undo match
>delete tinder
>They're corporate cuckoldry training
True but after you graduate grad school you are a golden boy for the corporations who love to champion you around as an expert (with decent pay). Better than being a physicist who has to fight other physicists for the privilege to suck dicks for peanuts the gubment hands out as grant money.
>Implying physicists do it for the money
Engineerings are like the hookers of science, they learn just enough to make a profit out of it, but we all know that with love it's done much better
Why don't you go suck a dick for 50 bucks if you love your money so much
$250 per an hour, no dick sucking involved, per diem paid for each day to cover food and a nice hotel and plenty of catered company parties were you are recognized for being the smartest person there and a valuable asset.
vs physicist angst who can't afford chinese food
That's my point, I'm not doing it for the money, I don't want to be rich, I just wanna learn cool stuff properly
So yeah it's cool that you'll get money, but you'll never do science though.
>I'm not doing it for the money
>wanna learn cool stuff properly
implying you can't learn cool stuff in industry or industry R&D
you can have both; you don't have to masochistic pauper
The PhDs are even more cuckworthy. Either you're doing something fundamental in which case you would've been better off with a physics degree. Or something applied which means your highly technical and specialised and hideously low paid labour. That's as cuck as it gets.
>hideously low paid labour
If you are worth your weight then you will have more than the small pittance the University bestows upon you, laughable called full funding.
The best, are fully sponsored, ~$70k to ~$90k. They usually already have some industry experience. The phds that live off less than $25,000 year are the boobs who have no real value or experience.
Not only are scientific research and R&D very different things, but physicists make nearly $100k on average. I don't know where this idea that they are living in abject poverty came from.
Having worked in industrial production for 4 years, every engineer I've encountered has been a bumbling retard.
Why are engineers here anyway, I thought it was a science and math board and they dont do either
What if you're below an engineer?
it depends on their country. Here in Brazil it is widely believed that scientists take a poverty vow, and that engineering makes people rich. Though scientists don't make as much as you said in here, they're hardly poor, actually they have middle/high income, and the fact that so many people here believe engineering makes them rich attracted so many retards to the area that now they're struggling to find a job, since industry here is developing very slowly and there are more engineers that it could possibly absorb.
But again, it really depends where you live.
That's kind of hard dude, unless you're in the humanities
>Talks about how the Engineering students couldn't do the raw Math as good as people who were into Physics
Well, yeah.
250/hour? What field? That is very high for engineer in non-software field
not to kill the physicscirclejerk you guys are doing in here but,
You have a bunch of engineers that are also into physics, math or the science they apply and also likes money. The highest form of knowledge is when you can apply it creatively and use it in new ways. most physics students learn a lot of facts. but its just information for them. not knowledge. they cant use it to make bigger projects and come up with new technology. For them its just deductively and inductive plug and chug with some heuristic, to reveal new information, new facts. (ofc no physics student in this board will ever do this, since they will never come up with a new theory) (soon an AI can do this too), my main point they are often autistic and not creative people. and they rarely knows any outside discipline for their application. which engineers gets heavy educated in based on the type of engineering
Many engineers goes out from graduation and invent a new technology and innovate the world in some ways. Most physics graduates becomes teachers at high-school or maybe become assistant for some irrelevant scientist.
Most of this is just patently false.
As a second year undergraduate I'm doing publishable research in physics. My name would probably be the 5th name listed on the paper.
This experience is not uncommon for physics students.
You're full of shit.
>be me
>in Physics class today
>Professor in physics tries to talk shit about engineering.
realized he is just salty because he knows these students will go out and get good high paying job interesting jobs in the industry, and he is stuck there as a teacher of basic physics to freshmen undergraduates students.
why is physicists being poor a meme then
genuinely curious im terrified for my future
>Many engineers goes out from graduation and invent a new technology and innovate the world in some ways. Most physics graduates becomes teachers at high-school or maybe become assistant for some irrelevant scientist.
Go fuck yourself, you delusional crybaby.
On topic: Physics majors are more likely to already enjoy (applied) math. Thus, I would expect Engineering to have a much higher drop-out rate of people who think it sounds cool but can't push themselves to learn the math required. That's really the primary issue. Once you're past undergraduate shit, I expect significantly less difference in math competency.
I honestly couldn't tell you. My advice would be not to let memes on the chanz get to you in any meaningful way. Talk to people in your field in real life.
having your name on some paper means nothing and you know it. i bet you didn't contribute much anyways. The common experience as physics graduate is to become the teacher that OP describes in this original post. then you can talk shit about engineering to your students all you want.
In most countries engineering degrees have a higher intensity on their workload and expected skill set. they often learn the theory as well as some craft to take the theory into life.
Maybe in other countries engineering doesn't have this kind of respect. its not a protected title in some counties. This discipline needed and hard work to finish it its one of the reasons that the people that manage to graduate , ends up in good paying job or make their own startup company.
I get that your engineering degree was hard, but one thing you didn't learn was what people studying other fields do. This isn't about shitting on engineering, but you're making stuff up about other fields of study to make engineering seem like the only degree that matters. For instance, it's surely not the only degree that requires hard work and discipline to finish you mong, and it's not difficult to look up the types of jobs people get.
On the contrary. The research is entirely directed by undergraduates (me and two other people) with the mere oversight of a senior faculty.
We decide where we want to take the project, we collect the data, and we report the results.
I have many bunch of degrees now and im old, this thread was made just to shit on engineering i hope you realize that. so i made this post to educate people in this thread about the other perspective. Im sorry if i made any physics student get sad, i didn't mean it like that, really.
He shouldn't be a professor then.
Similar tinder story. Asked this girl what her favourite equation was. She said it was eulers identity. Ok cool can you prove it?
>no
Haven't replied to her and never will