If you're over the age of 25 and still not married with children on the way you will never be happy...

this. >tfw near impossible to break into social circle
>tfw I thought my status would be enough but women don't give a flying fuck unless they're on the absolute bottom

K now fuck off faggot

This thread smells like /pol/ desperately trying to convince people to have children to save MUH WHITE RACE.

These are the only people on Veeky Forums who constantly post pro-family threads and get intensely butthurt when someone isn't a normalfag.

Shut the fuck up pussy.
No one gives a fuck that you settled down and married some random roastie.
She’s probably been plowed down by jamal and the gang a bunch of times.

>I'm 26 years old and have set my self up financially to not be worried for money in the next few years. I treat her with respect and do everything in my power to please her. She is the most important thing in my life. Without her I would be nothing.

10/10

She's either depressed or doesn't love you

I think family, wife and kids is key, yes. But i think the 25 yo figure is wrong.

Back in the 60s or 70s, people in the west married on average at like 22-23. This is steadily rising, mostly because of the acceptance of casual sex and conventions regarding how much time you must waste at education.

People nowadays marry alot later, like 28-29 on average. So if you are 25 and not married with children, youre not predestined to rot with the neets. Just chill out. Culture these days is alot more immature, i mean, back in the days, you went to war at 15-18 yo. Today you can basically maneouver a videogame at this age. People, especcially men, just take more time to mature - this is also an effect of laxer social expectations.

This all said, you dont go from neet to family father in a month. If you want to get to the point of being a serious part of a culture and civilization, as in raising its members and providing for a wife when you are 28, you must definately start getting serious at 23-24.

Getting basic things right takes time, like hygiene, getting confidence into place. If you cannot muster even a basic confidence you are fucked. Do not despair, everyone can. Getting to a position where you can provide also takes time. No quality woman will yield for you if you show yourself unable to provide for her (it doesnt matter what the feminists say). It takes time to get into a decent shape. Women respect you if you are at least 180lbs at 25% bf at the highest. If you are taller, that helps. If you are stronger, that helps to. Fuck getting ripped, only gays go for that shit.

I lived on the interwebs for most of my teenage years. Started working out four years ago. Today im 6'4, deadlift 460lbs for five reps, i have a job in a field im deeply invested in personally, and i met a lovely blonde woman three years back, we are now married and she just got pregnant with our first child. Im 31. If i can do it, you can.

so much projection and cope in the one post

this shit belongs on r9k

It's time to break up.

Hope you know that baby contains DNA of other guys she fucked before you cuck

lol

this is the most cringeworthy thing i've ever read on Veeky Forums
congratulations OP

Joke's on you OP, everyone on Veeky Forums is married with kids on the way. You're nothing special.

Yea it's awesome

You can flaunt your perceived happiness on some imageboard like a champ, but don't forget that the people you taunt have nothing to lose as you put it and you're basically just increasing the chance of your happy life being torn to the ground by another lone wolf taking his revenge on society. Let's talk about having a miserable life once you lost your loved ones to one of our violent chimpouts.

Well..
She started med school a couple years ago, it might be wearing her down. It's hard to tell whether it's just time passing that makes it worse or she's slipping into something. She never was on the optimistic side, and being around dying people is not exactly uplifting. She's also putting 80+ hours into it weekly. She's obviously getting burnt out. She says she loves me still, but expresses doubt whether that's enough in the long run or not.

no that's not how babbies work, dude.

>There's only so much time before you die
I wish there were even less

OP, everyone including yourself knows that you regret having kids when you see your childless peers thrive and enjoy their money and free time. It's cute you try to justify having to raise the little shits but you'll get no sympathy here. Now fuck off.

That sounds like depression, stay strong user

bang on mate.

32 married with 1 kid, met my beautiful wife 8 years ago. if I was single at this age with no kid I would kill myself

Go to therapy together or break up. This is not sustainable.

We were both virgins before and we are 100% uninterested in hookups, our sexual thing works out more spiritually. Yes yes i get it, thots are legion, but that doesnt mean there arent still serious women around. There are still Christian women who are committed to Traditionalist ideals. Thats not a problem.

The problem guys, are on our part. We make ourselves unworthy. Threads here speculating about prostitution in thailand. You think such abominations put you in a mindset to win a cutie waifu? Take not, the evolution has honed their capacities to discern good male qualities for houndreds, after houndreds, after houndreds of thousands of years. They cannot be fooled. Ditch the porn, screw everything else. Get confidence, get education or w/e, get some basic order and structure in your life and know what you stand for. Be proud in yourself and treat everyone nicely, respect women and dont take lightly on relations. Doing this even badly will yield you exactly what fulfills you. Failing to even undertake the task will give you a life of unending, low-intensive despair and desperation. Wether you make it or not.

Sounds wholesome, thanks for the reminder OP. Hope everything stays well

Alright dude listen. Once you get red pilled on women and actually experience being with a lot of them and you see what our culture reinforces and promotes it’s extremely hard not to get black pilled and drop out entirely. I’m 33. I’ve had 3 serious relationships (1+ yr) and have slept with over 100 women. It took me awhile to get red pilled but once I did (around 27 years old) I cant trust women anymore. And the ones I have been with since turning 27 have reinforced everything the red pill teaches you. Women are status climbing, gold digging master manipulators whose brains have been rewired by social media to care more about likes and online validation from strange men than actually being a good gf and potential mother. For someone like myself looking to settle down with a quality girl I don’t see much hope.

>he thinks fruit flies apply to human beans

All people that I know that are over 40 and have no children are weirdos. They are all a bit off, social wise... no exception.

Sure some nights are brutal when they are younger and you have to sacrifice some time for hobbies. But that is temporary. Once they get more independent you'll get that time back. The enrichment it brings to your life is all worth it. Not to mention the joy it brings to your own parents.

When I look back at life, these years will probably be the richest I've had feels wise. Have a 2 year old son and another kid on the way.

I just want her to smile at me, and be happy when she sees me, like she used to.

I don't think you understand what's it like to be with someone who puts 80+ hours a week into something. It's not an option. I try to plant the seed of her working part time in residency, but she's not open to it. Her ambiguity tolerance is basically zero. Her thinking goes like this:
>Med school is horrible (it is), I have to survive 6 years of it, better put every waking hour into it so it doesn't become 7 years
>after that, residency is insufferable (80-100 hours a week), better work as much as possible to be done with it as quickly as I can, within 5 years
>realize that this means she'll have nothing to show for except the beginning of her career when she's 32
>also government employee, so she'd do this for less money than someone working at the counter
>realize she wants children as well
>this conflict makes her extremely uncomfortable but not enough to change what she's doing because she wants it all and was always like that

I tried explaining to her that she could just work 20 hours a week or something, and yeah, residency would be 8-9 years but who cares, what's the point of becoming a physician if you end up hating the world and the patients in the process. It's pretty bad because she's setting herself up for a lose-lose situation.

Anyways, thanks for the nice words.

Kek enjoy faggot my gf who I thought was the one and seriously planned to propose to dumped me after my 25th bday so fuck you

>t. beaten by a nigger caretaker in a old folks home daily wondering what the point of your life was

You're goddamn right I'm weird. And MORE than a little bit "off" socially. Where do you think you are, normie mcnormville?

You're going to get dumped soon if you don't take action first.

Tell her exactly what you just typed, and add that if she doesn't love you anymore then you're not interested in that and tell her you want to move on. The do not planswer her texts or pick up her phone calls for two weeks to a month, no contact.

I'm a 27 year old kissless virgin. That boat sailed for me long ago.

I was with a girl during her last two years of finishing a PhD in cognitive neuroscience and yeah my experience was similar. She was married to her work. So I had got bounce. Fuck that man. It’s not worth it if you never see her and can’t have a normal relationship.

>k me awhile to get red pilled
you, sir, are a retard. redpilled = retardeded. i feel sorry you couldn't find proper chicks and only slept with retards which made you a retard as well but if you're this far you got no hope. enjoy being a retard for the rest of your life.

Women are dumb like that, they're literally ruining their chance of ever having a happy life and family so that they can work a soulless job because someone brainwashed them into believing that was correct. Then they end up barren and alone spinsters. When all they have to do is have kids first and go to school when they're older and the children have grown up if they really desire to.

Sorry for your experience, truly. But this is no excuse for defaitism.

You get what you put in. If you put into a relation, potential or real, based on the perception that she may screw you over and that women are "gold digging master manipulators" and so on, this is exactly what is going to happen.

You are going to, consciouly or not, select for this sort of women. This is what you know. The problem is in you.

My suggestion for men in this position is to set a time, say half a year or a year or even longer, in which you dont engage with women, think of them, talk to them (as such, obv talking to women at work or whatever, as fellow workers or whatnot, is okay) or anything. Just get your own head right and know who you are and what you are in for. This is crucial. You need to shake off your history of "100 women", for this stuff will subconciously just make your way towards that 101th woman. What you want is a true first, and for that, you need to be different.

I operate 100% on the basis that the problem here, is me. Yes, again, alot of women are thots. Its sad and im sorry for shit experiences. But from YOUR perspective, it matters little. You dont need a majority, you dont even need 1%. You just need one.

If you cannot find one woman, trust her, make her trust you and commit to you (this is the default position of a committed oman), then the problem is not women. There are BILLIONS of them. You mean to say that Instagram, a fucking looser app with a history of a few years, made male-female relations of quality impossible? Do you have any idea of how little of intersex-relationships comes from our culture? Its all inherited sentiments, programs, routines, predefined courses of action OPTIMIZED and SELECTED for procreation and the rearing of strong children. Nothing of this, besides a thin but visible layer of shit-tier behaviour by nihilistic hedonist thots, has anything to do with instagram. Turn of your connection and get your shit together.

How many women have you been with, like one? Once you see the face of what womankind is by experiencing many of them you become jaded and cynical. And then you see how the culture reinforces all these negative behaviors you lose hope, has nothing to do with being intelligent or not. It’s simply experience plus observation. Given the opportunity I would go back and not party when I was younger and join a church and really try to be with a quality girl and marry her ASAP but that’s not where I’m at now. And half the men who do do that get divorce raped and end up way worse off than I will. Half their fortunes gone and lucky to see their kids.

They're "weirdos" only to you because you look everything through the glasses of being a dad. To those people you are the weirdo stuck with little people to take care of that take all your money and all your time. Having no kids means you can pursue your own goals with all the time and effort in the world. I know you won't admit it but you're fucking jealous for that. For forgetting your dreams just so another being could enter the cycle. Sure you have nice moments with your kid but don't tell me having a kid is gonna make up for giving up your own life (time, money, goals).

one of my cousins is full blown retarded and my poor aunty spend her whole life looking after it, it put me right off taking the risk desu

It is, look up telogeny

We had a serious talk just last week. She said she loves me, but that she also sees that she's causing me pain as well, but she can't care. She's more on the selfish side desu. But she's also the most wonderful, most interesting female I've ever met.

>She was married to her work
I don't think she can finish school if she's not, tho. Their workload is insane.

I want to give her some time, I kinda botched the beginning of our relationship as well, and have hurt her inadvertently. She stayed with me for reasons that neither of us know.

married for 8 years so don't talk to me about "the face of what womankind is" after having a couple one night stands with bar whores and spending your freetime with other pathetic virgins on /r/redpill you god damn retarded pajeet lmao

Good advice user. Thank you. I’ll try some of your suggestions. I just don’t think it will solve the roastie problem, which is far worse than people realize.

Lol you only have experience with one woman you fucking brainlet. Your sample size is a fucking joke. Once you see patterns emerge across many women that’s when you know how they operate. Stay deluded. You’ll be divorce raped in 5 years not knowing what the fuck hit you when she bangs the pool boy because you got weak and fat.

I dunno man. My goal was to get a family and get a nice house. Both are achieved. Now I have other hobbies like learning guitar and running and other stuff I enjoy a lot that are perfectly possible to combine with a family. I have 0 worries about finance as both my wife and me have good jobs, wealthy parents and I made a killing in crypto the last two years.

I honestly can't think of anything I have given up except sleep in the first year.

I know plenty of married guys who get less sex than virgins. And they cant watch porn cause insecure wife is a nag about it.

Best of luck sir! You are not alone, most men share your struggle today. And from the perspective of the few virtuous females (i know alot from church), the problem is even worse. Sure thots are a hard phenomena, but men are even harder hit by shit culture. Most are chronic masturbators since 13yo. They get out of game-neetdom induced fog at 24 at best. And the thots have trained them to be completely spineless, and go all in for having the dick rule from an extremely shortterm perspective.

Serious women these days are harder hit than men. I fully expect there will be 10-20 serious women for every remotely serious man (as the vast majority of young women are, regardless of culture, eventually coming around to the whole idea of family and children whereas most men will need to be talked into it). If they find a man who wants children and has a straight back, they will instantly lay their hands on him and be very, very competitive about it.

The serious market today is very helpful towards men.

a few short relationships when younger and then got married when found the right one, loving every day of my life since, but hey do tell us more about your sample size with a few ugly sluts that played you like a little monkey and how you're now enlightened about "the womankind" when you read some reddit posts about women written by men

hahhahahaah what a fucking cringy pajeet, keep telling yourself about the "patterns" and "how they operate" and i'm sure you've got a bright future ahead as a lonely virgin lmao

Who cares. Bitches aren't worth the time and money.

in that case i congratulate you, well done. might even make a babby later myself but i do ridicule people who criticize others who are childfree by choice because there's a fuckton of benefits for not having kids to worry about

Of course any wife with reasonable intuitions is going to hate her man looking at porn. What the fuck do you expect? Wifes are nature incarnate.
You think nature, evolution itself, happily smiles while you give your powers, vigour and desire towards fucking trannies?

On sexual satisfaction in marriages - every research conclusively shows that married people are more likely to be sexually fulfilled than singles. Of course, there will be exceptions - im open to the idea that Chad Thundercocks will have many opportunities 20-30 yo. But thats that. If you dont belong to a 1-2% demography, and if you are looking for a sexual fulfillment beyond 30yo, get fucking married already. Especcially so if you have values beyond pleasure. To be fair, any dimwit can come to a naked woman. If this is your idea of fulfillment, then dinner is served already. I thought people were in this thread because they are looking for something more powerful. Sustaining the population of your community-tribe, pushing the sacred boundaries of Gods Church.

So you’ve been with 3 women in your entire life. Sounds about right. I bet you think a great marriage is characterized by doing what your wife tells you to do. But hey congrats on being happily married. I know a few dudes like that and more power to you all. But don’t play yourself and say you know anything about women as a whole. I can guarantee you I’m not only a lot more attractive than you, taller than you and more talented but I do have infinitely more experience with women than you do and so I have a lot more insight into their psychology. But hey you’re married you must know it all!

TBF, doesn't it take something like, 100-150 years after death to be completely forgotten anyway?

I mean, unless you're Jonas Salk tier (and lets be honest, if you're posting on here, there's no chance you ever will be) you will never truly have a lasting legacy.

>I've been in a serious relationship for 2 years now and already have a child on the way.
"I fucked up and I'm trying to cope"
>Without her I would be nothing.
what a cuck
>not picking up 18 year olds in your lambo
why even live

Thanks, and I do get your point. If I wanted to go travel the world or start a business it would be a problem with kids. I would not have them and anyone with these kinds of goals have themselves to blame if they do have kids and regret.

>But don’t play yourself and say you know anything about women as a whole
Oh I'd never do that, I don't know shit about them. But based on living with one for years and having lots of friends who are women I surely know understand them way better than you who's only had a couple one night stands with drunken sluts from bars and bases his whole worldview of women on a strange counterculture tailored for angry young virgin boys.

I don't really give a shit if you give it another shot and try to find a nice girl that's good for you or if you choose to feed your desperation with this redpill bullshit, but I do know only one of these has the potential to make you happy, even if it's not easy and even if you'll get hurt from time to time.

Electrical engineering is the root of all evil desu

>ywn sit on the floor shoulders touching with Natsuki reading manga
>ywn feed Yuri chocolates while she's deep in a book
>ywn embrace your crying childhood friend after she's confessed her love to you

marriage is a fucking joke.

Jesus Christ this fucking board lmao

I'm far under the age of 25, and even I know the way to live your life is the way YOU want to.

U wanna get married and have kids? If u got the right girl Go right ahead

U wanna spend a year in Mexico doing lines and banging whores? If u got the money go right ahead

U wanna work as a snowboard instructor for a season and spend months on the slopes?
Go right the fuck ahead

Point is there is SO MUCH opportunity in this world, but you're all DELUDING yourselves into thinking that the only way to live is the way YOU live.

Honestly, grow the fuck up. All of you.

"made a killing in crypto"
this. this right here is the main point which it all boils down to. With money you can provide a safe home, stability, the right social connections (the ones which don't drag you down), you have the time to go the gym (alot of you mongrels are not working if your main advice is still "Just lift, bro!" - after a work full of jobbing you are brunt out), eat healthier (more expensive) shit, can leisurly talk a walk in the park or ride by bike.
Money makes it all possible. It's not a matter of being smart or the "right mindset". That's all bullshit. MONEY.
You. just. need. money.
Without it all crumbles like a cardhouse.

>28
>gf that may become wife some day im not into marriage though so fuck it
>pull 450k a year before taxes
>will be 100% free of debt by september
>nice house
>two nice vehicles
>loving family
>will not be having children

Keep telling yourself you NEED a wife and you NEED children. Keep believing your own bullshit.

When you kill yourself try not to make a big mess, OP. Don't let your unhappiness seep over and ruin the day of the people who have to clean it up. Keep that shit neat and tidy you miserable loser.

> that's only true if you don't treat women with respect and love
> in my power to please her
> the most important thing in my life
> Without her I would be nothing

how is it possible to be such naive and emotive ?

t. failed at crypto so instead tries to unload his family life bags on Veeky Forums

False. Take the irish immigrants of the 19th century. Broke as shit, worked 14h days. Wife, five kids. Yet on sundays, put your one suit on, went to catholic church, prayed to God for the good of your family. Slept with a pure conscience. Had no time for this bike-riding, walk in the park bullshit. Was a pure man, with a good family, this built the nation.

Compare to even the "guys who make it". Sitting in a lambo outside of Walmart, looking for attention. You seriously thing "making it" says anything about the quality of your life? Assuming you are not dead broke, with aching teeth and no food, no ability to educate yourself, money does not add quality. This "making it" value system is only a more refined variant of shit tier consumerism "i am more happy when i drink pepsi" kind of paradigm.

Obviously, i also want to make it. But it only has value in what it can mean for my family. Above all, i want to be able to spend more time with them, and with my church.

Because she's the one, don't give up on her, but be stronger than her, she will need you

>what's the point of becoming a physician if you end up hating the world and the patients in the process.

That IS the point of medical education sir. It makes the doctors compliant to whatever evil money-grubbing schemes the administrators and big pharma cook up. You think this system is an accident?

well that's all nice and dandy, if you still have society which bascially provides you with the pillars for this kind of hard-working, christian life-style. But the harsh reality for most of us is, that these helpfull cornerstones are fucking GONE one way of another. Anywhere you look it's about money, about power. And where it isn't spilled out directly, it will be handed to you indirectly. Just become broke and unemployed and see how long your "love" from either your children, wife, neighbors or christian-community will last. Not very fucking long, I tell you. You delude yourself that it only takes the right mindeset, when in essence it takes MONEY, it takes POWER. Without those (and most of us don't have that, that's why we're gambling like crazy) all your working-ethos, your connections, your love - will crumble. I know what I'm talking about, you nigger, I thought there was some affection / love somewhere. But nobody gives a rats ass about you and your life. As long as you don't earn those shekels. Nobody, not even jesus gives a crap about you. I have seen it with my own eyes and I shan't forget these lesson evermore.

>1 post by this ID
OP is a faggot

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

>I treat her with respect
>do everything in my power to please her.
>She is the most important thing in my life. >Without her I would be nothing.

Thanks, acquired 100k more hottie GFs.

Not all people are like that, I'm not

Thanks, man. It certainly feels like she's the one that made a man out of me - or I became a man due to her, whichever way you want to put it, I've certainly matured a lot since I met her. Now however, that I have built up my castle and my walls are standing firm, they are getting tested. It is kinda bad that I have sometimes my own doubts, but I think that's natural.

>You think this system is an accident?
Well, idk about the money-grubbing part, but they certainly do seem to become lifeless husks.

>loving one girl who whips the shit out of you cause your a pussy
>not buying sex slaves with your monero gains in thailand and having them respect your investments and massive cock

fucking cucks lmfao

A nation built on slaves first, and suckers second. I don't intend on being a sucker who works for the Jew. Nor do I intend to buy a lambo and wait at Walmart for attention. All I do is risk manage my wants and needs, so far marriage and children is something I want, but it's a big investment, and the risks can go beyond that investment. Also, small observation, reading these pro-marriage drivel gives me a similar feeling to when reading pajeets trying to unload their bags.

>wanting a screaming cumspawn around you every time you're home

Literally diminishing your life to please random people and make sure they don't think poorly of you

If only your parents had the same mindset.

I mean I'm now invested in blockchain tech and the people closest to me now know I might bankroll them for their own faults so really with no children and a girlfriend who may be convinced to practice non-monogamy, 25 feels pretty fucking good, user.

>You don't share my views so I wish you weren't brought into existence

well that may be true, but it's hard as fuck finding any person who will be honest, upright and tell you :"Come heaven or hell, I will not betray you." There is one page in Vinland Saga (Manga), where were was a family which starved to death because they couldn't and wouldn't pay their lords demands (of submitting to him as slaves). And they all died, huddled together in their house - Point is, they valued their freedom, their love for each other higher than materalistic wealth.
That scene stuck with me, and I only want to find someone like that. But as far as I have gathered, women will not give you the time of the day if you are "just" loyal. So I wondered if I was le gay, but it seems more that I just long for respect and comaradrie. For trust. Trust which defies logic and fear.

Truth be told, I don't give a (emotional) shit about money - but perceivably everybody else does, right? And so I keep trying to get that power, all the while I hate it from the bottom of my heart.

(((Electrical engineering)))

I worry about this shit everyday but your post made me feel better

Im 22, still a manchild when it comes to responsibility but im starting a $52k/yr job next month, going to go to the gym with a friend from my current job, want to learn martial arts for self defense etc so ill probably be fine. Still worries the fuck out of me that i could be old and alone if I just dont happen to find the right girl among millions.

I'm 27 married have two kids am relatively wealthy and handsome(albeit a little chubby) but I also have a mistress/ernai who I keep for excitement.I know I should get rid but shit is cash.

I’m almost 34 and in a much, much better place financially and mentally to have a child than I was at 26. I felt like I was still just a kid at 26 (protip you probably are).

I agree unless you have a deep passion of math, philosophy, history and psychology. Children are of no use when all you want to become is wiser.

Glad to hear sir, anything i can do to help. God bless you!

If you havent already, check out the early videos of The Golden One (youtube). This will sort you out in many ways. If you get even 5-10% of what he specifies, you are good to go in a year or two. Dont worry. Just stay true to high ideals. If (when) you call, pick yourself back up. Read about the lives of the saints. The saints are not those that did not fall, but rather the ones who didnt blackpilled themselves and got devastated by their losses - they practiced the habit of picking themselves up again. It takes effort, but every one can do it. Best of luck to you sir! I will see you on the other side, with a lovely wife and kids and brutal gains. That is the life.

What's your problem with EE?