Why is it not allowed to be a fucking speculative on this board?

Is that why you keep getting ridiculed because you perpetuate what your mommy said, rather than researching anything on your own ?

Show me scientific study showing that smoking has no adverse effects on you and those around you.

I'm still waiting for that study, user.

>create ill-informed /x/ thread
>get called out
>deem yourself a persecuted genius

study for what ? I can't disprove a negative...

>muh state never lies!
Typical american.

But smoking still has adverse effects on them.

well I think speculation is not really disallowed, it's just that you retards doesn't even know how to speculate in a realistic manner.

Every study on the dangers of smoking was cherry picked shit, that's reason enough to question the """"""evidence""""""" of it being bad.

>Deliberately inhaling smoke has no negative effects on my health

Why are addicts so defensive?

Coz I'm allergic to bullshit.

Because when the powers that be claim something is bad for you when it isn't, you have every right to be defensive due to a corrupt system.

But literal smoke is totally fine lmao

>using needles to pump veins up with a dead version of a long ago eliminated disease has no negative effects on my health

That's what you sound like.

Just because something *sounds* bad for you doesn't mean it is actually bad for you.

Yeah. Like Cyanide.

I speculate that you are a faggot

>this guy

Faulty comparison. Are you actually going to refute anything or keep comparing things you don't like to cyanide?

That's a stupid argument.
>preventing the inhalation of dangerous chemicals that light a persons insides on fire has a positive effect on my health
You can spin anything in any way, the person as stating that inhaling smoke has been determined to be a bad thing. This is why firemen have shit lungs when they are older and why people have long lasting problems after being caught in a fire.

Your immune system doesn't make antibodies for smoke and ash lmao

What do you mean ? Did you really fall for the cyanide is dangerous meme ? I mean it has a fucking warning on it that says "poison" but you know how they have to label everything due to public pressure rite ?
cyanide is as harmless as smoking. don't fall for these public myths that make you believe these things are dangerous.

Because it prevents retards like you from making up baseless crap.

Key word being

>when they're older

Even non smokers get many lung/respitory/heart problem when they're older as well, but as nonsmokers the blame isn't laid at the feet of some vice they had, just bad luck or genes.

>firefighters

That's a shit comparison because they deal with far more smoke on a regular basis from varying burning sources with fear that is also bad for them and laden with chemicals. Coal miners have a smiling problem. Smoking is absolutely nothing compared to that.

we already have a board for speculative shit
we already have a board for denying science
if you're too stupid to post on the right board you're going to be ridiculed.

> pol denying science
Did you mean tumblr ? I've never seen pol deny science. Unless you're a dumb SJWtard and offensive facts are not science for you.

>I've never seen /pol/ deny science
Cmon man I browse /pol/, you know that's bullshit. You see the same studies with the same experimental errors and dodgy results on there.

I see FBI statistics categorized by years which you can check for yourself, news collected from official government sources and similar stuff. As rude and arrogant as they are, I can't say that they are wrong.

because speculation isn't science or math, nitwit.
if you want to postulate something, you have to back it up with observations, repeatable experiments and a mathematical foundation.

Hypothesis: you are among the stupidest people ever born.
Evidence: "your entire thread is spammed with people who fell for the college spook and only know how to parrot what their textbooks say"
Experiment: reply to this thread and watch the vacuous drivel pile up

you are dumb

>I can't say that they are wrong.
the you're on the wrong board.
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>I've never seen pol deny science
topkek

you're not smart enough to form an argument I see

Statistics isn't science, nor do they know statistical methods. Even if it was, doing a very cursory search on /pol/ shows a bad mathematics thread and a few baseless charts with no studies attached.
/pol/ is a lot of things, maybe its inflammatory to say that they deny science, but they don't know jack shit about science or maths.

it's not entirely the case to say they always denied science. yes the board is almost entirely comprised of shitposts now, but there was a time when there was at least one poster who tried to substantiate every claim he made with either historic evidence, or a journal article

i'm wary to post his pastebin here, as i don't want it deleted.

I think I remember seeing that user or at least someone carrying on his methods. Did he ever post 5 years ago?
Though even 5 years ago, /pol/ was still pretty crap. Hell even worse back then. I remember the people posting entire threads of cuck porn before the mods decided to do something about the spam.

If you're worried just save it again into another one. It's not hard but posting studies is hardly scientific if you've only using it at face value.

it's a copy.
pastebin.com/PuJre8QT

What studies are you expecting really ? I see raw charts that show the crime rates based on race and the general population divided by races. Everything they add, they add on top of these.

These people care about their daily lives and how these statistics effect them. They look at the news from different sources such as RT, Al Jazeera, BBC and not just CNN. Sure they are a bit too paranoid and ready to jump to conclusions but the people who oppose only to pol are just as worse, maybe more.

/thread

Doing yet another cursory search in the pastebin shows many of the links that have the pastebin cited are dead.
One of them that don't lead to a 404 is a chart that is loaded with many sources that could be taken as legit, but looking up the sources brings up studies that are inconclusive or don't exist.

I don't nearly have the time go go through every single search but based on a section (The IQ and Race), I am going to assume that the quality of the other sections are consistently low.

If they really cared about statistics, they would actually check the sources of the charts (yes, even those FBI studies they tout.), if there is one. Never take something at face value. Also before you say that I'm caring too much about it because of a race thing, I would say the same exact thing if charts about cats were all the rage in /pol/. Alternative opinions need to be held up to the same standard of common ones.

>pastebin.com/PuJre8QT
only two of the main link in the post i shared lead to 404s, line 12 & 13.

the race and intelligence table, i found only had one 404 - which was suplemented by a direct download to the .pdf it cites.
I would hate to think you're lying, but i didn't reach the same conclusion you did.

>ciganon can't handle the fact that his flammable chemicals wrapped in paper aren't healthy so he cries on an anonymous image board.

Because "anything which isn't well documented" or "speculative" 99% of the time on this board looks something like this

"WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF A SUN MADE OF ICE AND A SUN MADE OF FIRE COLLIDED?"

[Gorilla picture]
"WAS MATH CREATED OR DISCOVERED?"

"IS SMOKING ACTUALLY BAD FOR YOU???"

I checked those FBI stats myself and they clearly show an imbalance between racial crime incidents. How we interpret them is different ofcourse but the basis of the same. I would choose liberal ways to deal with this where as they choose solutions that only works for them, which usually involves getting rid of an entire race.

But another problem is the huge polarization going on. the radical left is on the watch for any opportunity to stain any idea that happens to lean very slightly to the right and even centrist ideas as racism, sexism, nationalism, etc... Which doesn't leave any space for one to exist in the middle. people are so insensitized to be mislabelled as racist and sexist that its lost their meaning for them. Even the brexit thing turned into a left right fight. I'm sure you saw all the comments on twitter about how its about racism and nothing else even though controlling the borders against immigrants are a tiny bit of what UKs independance from EU establishments involves.

correction, i found 2 more dead links
charlesdarwinresearch org/Intell00Ravens.pdf
charlesdarwinresearch org/Intell03Ravens.pdf
but these can be accessed through the way-back machine.

another dead link
menghusblog.files.wordpress com/2012/06/understanding-human-history.pdf
but you can find this by searching "Understanding Human History"

another for
tinyurl com/cpnt8q6
but this can be found by searching Sacket et al Stereotype Threat

My mistake the crime one was the one with several dead links.
But I guess while we are at it, I will talk about a few of the sources in the Black/White IQ

One of them is from 1863 in the Confederacy, that's already a read flag but ignoring its origin, they conducted their study using morphology, which is outdated and not very good at determining genetic difference, I can further go on the errors of their method if you would like. At least on modern standards.

Main chart of attraction has the same problem of a chart with a fuckload of sources that don't lead anywhere.

Another source has the same issue of morphology, outdated by nearly a century in the south. Futhermore, this one uses a study in measure illness on patients with no inditcation how far they are in their sickness which spoils it.

Another is from 1914 and on top of that is measuring cases in dementia..Hardly a race thing

Then we finally get to a source thats good from NCBI , then you read the part where they willfully ignore any brains of the upper class Africans saying their brain size is similar to whites only because of missions built by whites. Meaning its hardly genetic.

This only makes me feel like my guess is correct, since its yet another section with dubious sources. Also please note while I did mention the age of the studies along with where it was conducted that I didn't dismiss it because of that but because of research methods.

I save the pastebin, and futher look in it but from the ten sources I checked, I don't expect anything of value.

I won't argue the validity of the FBI statistics as they are sound. However, the main issue is that you're not holding those statistics to the scientific method. Instead taking it at face value, you have to ask more question to get to the bottom of it. The important question is why do black people commit more crimes than other races. I know you're trying to imply that its a genetic thing, but so far you haven't made a strong case for it yet.
Most of the research done on this boils down to socioeconomic conditions, which is the consensus. Of course you can say that we shouldn't take that at face value either but their methods of conducting the research are solid. If you like, you can still argue that it is genetic, but so far there hasn't been anything substantial that may suggest that it is.

Lastly, I don't like how things are always made to a race thing, but that;s another debate. I agree with you. There's a lot of reasons to not like Brexit, but racism is not a valid one.

ITT OP wants to be a pseudoscience spouting retard but Veeky Forums won't let him.

I don't deny that genetics may play a part of it but it's a small part for sure. Economy, culture and environment does the rest. To sum it up I'll give an example before going to bed. Asians may not genetically be more intelligent, but they have a long lasting culture that focuses on education and success and doesn't tolerate much failure, which leads to a better generation of hard working, respectful, and successfull individuals. Wheres people growing up in ghetto culture leads them to a poverty ridden lifestyle full of crime. They don't choose where or how wealthy we're born. Everything we experience until maturity shapes who we are. I do believe genetics play a small role in this, it would be unrealistic to deny it, but culture and social values have the biggest percentage in this mix. If we want to fix things, thats where we should start.

best lol in this thread.

youtube.com/watch?v=3HAMk_ZYO7g

>social science studies about social constructs like race.
>pop-science articles written by retarded journalists published on politicized news sites.

What is the dumbest board on Veeky Forums and why is it /pol/?

Another part of the Asian intelligence things is that in math the symbols are much simpler then in Arabic languages. This makes it easier for young children to learn and prevents a phobia of math from taking root.

>implying there are people who take social science arguments seriously on Veeky Forums

>anti-smoking anons can't handle the fact that what their government tells them could be wrong.

>"IS SMOKING ACTUALLY BAD FOR YOU???"

It's not. Same goes for secondhand smoke.

schachtmanlaw.com/epa-cherry-picking-woe-epa-1992-meta-analysis-of-eta-lung-cancer-part-1/

Take your pedophile cartoons to

Correct it is true that it will be ignorant to deny that genetics doesn't play a role. However that very fact is proof that no race is inherently at a disadvantage. For example, imagine an experiment where you are trying to selectively breed humans to show certain traits. One could theoretically breed enough black people to have a population of nothing but geniuses, they won't spontaneously turn into another race because of their intelligence. There is nothing stopping them genetically from doing so you could say that race doesn't have much bearing on how intelligent you are. This is built on very basic ideas, however how to fix these things are yet to be known since trying to remedy culture and socioeconomic situations is often political and hairy.

Well memed

>ignorant to deny a thing for which there is no evidence.
lol, even ignoring the fact that you can't deduce race from genetics this is a funny statement.

You too can take your retarded discussion back to facebook now.

You are free to speculate to your heart's desire at

That fucking hugbox should be merged with /x/ and /r9k/. Why do we need three boards for the same thing?

Can you read retard? I said it would be dumb say it does not play role in genetics. Of course race is genetic, it comes from a gene that codes for melanin that was developed over time to protect from UV light or to gain more vitamin D, not for intelligence. This is covered in intro bio, are you still in high school?

>Race is defined by skin color which is defined by melanin.
gr8 b8 m8

are you denying that its not a factor? Yes there is other factors too but it's fairly obvious as to what they are and why if you have taken intro bio. Sorry that facts trigger you user.

>Implying he explicitly defined race anywhere in his argument
Fucking brainlets with their trains of thoughts these days lel

>Of course race is genetic, it comes from a gene that codes for melanin
Illiterate

>Thing is true even though there is no evidence
>lol that's not how science works
>I can't believe you are saying that thing is false!!!
Hahaha

90% of "science" is just grant whoring that has no benefit to mankind and has its results tailored to get more grant money.

Oh and this "here's some unsubstantiated crap I thought of while sitting on the shitter" too.

>Illiterate
speak for yourself, retard.

>Race comes from a certain factor
>Never defines it as such
I think you're the one who is illiterate. You also haven't refuted anything either and resorted to semantics and grasping for straws. Again its sad that facts trigger you.

got 'em with the "no u"

Better than the got 'em with the "hurr my baseless fact is right even though its been refuted tirelessly i need my safe space :((((((((("

There are evidently no limits to how retarded /pol/ is.

responds to which says
>Of course race is genetic, it comes from a gene that codes for melanin

Moot did the right thing by establishing that containment board but he should have gone further and permabanned them the same way he banned the furfags.

a greed

How many cpu-hours did that trip take?

I dont even know what the fuck is going on in their argument lel it just seems like they agreed with each other at some point but somehow got confused and started arguing.

Either way I agree, I want /pol/ to leave.

>not blaming the people giving out grants

>not blaming both

>a lawyer has determined that smoking is not bad for you

k

> one terrible attempt to false flag
> this guy means all pol said this
Learn to believe in evolution first SJWtard. It's always hilarious to see you attempting to call someone a retard with your inexistant elementary knowledge

Well it's not bad for you, but in case you were paying attention, the link talks about Secondhand smoke, not smoking.

And that's not bad for you either.

A convincing argument.

So basically, if I'm not a scientist, I'm not allowed to post on this board? Cool.
I'm glad m00t decided to waste server space to host this board that only a select few people can even use.
Why the fuck are you even here talking to who you deem as "retards" when you can be out in the real world talking to actual smart people? Are you social skills so fucked that you can't leave your fucking house to go to events and lectures that interest you?
For fucks sake.

Because Veeky Forums is full of people that need to study and hate people that actually have talent and imagination.

Basically it is a bunch of stockbrains jealous of real thought.

>This is what "freeminds" tell to themselves
KEK

Smoke guy is the worst troll out there.

Strawman: The Post.

The saddest part is that they don't have anything to offer in the way of what they consider Veeky Forums worthy so they lurk around waiting for threads like this to bloviate pedantically and shitpost.

I'm fucking done posting any links because no one looks at them. You're wrong, I'm not. It's painfully simple and it's basically like global warming.

Why? Because someone you know smoked/secondhand smoked and coincidentally got sick from it? Sorry, but you need to face reality instead of calling people trolls.

> mfw none of you have any research done about if smoking is actually bad and you're just obeying what mommy said
Did mommy say masturbation makes you go blind and tells you when its your bedtime as well ?
Veeky Forums is fucking pathetic.