Children can't make rational decisions...

Don't try to mischaracterise hebephilia

Children make rational economic decisions on certain contexts

>Reality is black and white

What about kids diddling kids? What about a slightly older kid diddling a kid? What about a kid diddling an adult retard? What about a retard diddling a barely legal kid? What about a barely legal retard diddling a little kid? What about an adult and a kid diddling each other?

This.

Btw, everybody careful. Masturbation is self-rape!

First you have to define "rational."

>First you have to define "rational."

>when I grow up, I want to be a helicopter!

children unlike women still don't have voting rights. that means children interests don't represented in politics. is this good or bad thing?

Are you fucking kidding me?

Most times even adults can't make rational decisions. Children need to be taught to grow up and make rational decisions, not be made into perpetual children for the rest of their lives. Childhood isn't for having fun, it is for learning how to be an adult.

Yes, I'm talking to you, manchild.

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Women have been pivotal in the decline of all societies, past and present

Giving women voting rights was a mistake

youtube.com/watch?v=gnArvcWaH6I
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lol this is just a linguistics problem. Objects are aqtually different in geometric sense

Probably a good thing.
See

feminism gives free contraceptives to women, while they do nothing for those for men, especially they never fought for them to be free of charge
and they never encouraged free drugs to fight against the erectile dysfucntion, as you must have a boner before even putting a condom, while they advocate sexual jouissance for every woman on earth

feminism does nothing to liberate the talk about psychological violence on men from women

feminism does nothing to liberate the talk of raped men inside a household

feminism favorizes the abortion whithout even the requirement to inform the father

feminism does nothing against coerced paternity

feminism does nothing about the inequality favouring women on the dating game

feminists actually do not promote intellectual independance as a men is considered a sexist scumbag as soon as he disagrees with them or even try to nuance their positions

do you still believe that the feminists fight for equality ?

Freak

You can't bullshit your way out of pedophilia with some dumb labels.

Hey, I think I remember you.

Not from your online pedophile meetings I suppose.

At least you're right about this.

> I'm a pedophile but I call myself something else so it's fine.
lmao really pedo shithead ?

Consider yourselves marked.

Children are capable of making rational decisions, you just cant rely on them to do so. Just like adults, but more so

> just like adults
Adults are much more likely to make rational decisions than kids user...

Children can consent to sex, child prostitution and child pornography are economically efficient. This way they can earn money and the adults have more sexual options.

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>I can misuse the word pedophilia and the english language should be forced to suit my ignorance

Yes, which is why I said kids are more irrational than adults. If that wasnt clear I apologize

> pedophile trying to sound righteous
ahahahahahahaha

Not him, but there is a qualitative difference, even if there isnt a legal one. Being attracted to a 14 year old girl is not the same thing as being attracted to a 6 year old

>child prostitution
The current limitations of child-adult relationships is what promote this kind of prostitution. Who want it, will search for it. Laws are forcing this to be done in a bad environment (no health control, maybe violence...). The soon you legalise it, the soon kids will have better lifes.

Being attracted to underages are being attracted to underages. No matter how hard you try to mix your labels to confuse people, you're a pedophile.

Hahaha, idiot doesn't even know the law.

Legally yes. But it seems kinda retarded that its possibly to be a pedophile or not be a pedophile by taking a step forward

tell the to the judge ;)

wat ?

Age of consent is not the same everywhere. Ive had sex with a 16 year old, in my country that is not an issue, but in for example parts of the US I would be a paedophile and a rapist for doing the same thing

[spoiler]Set?[/spoiler]

No idea, I just picked it up randomly somewhere.

They're both attraction to those much younger than you born out of some fucked up power play fetish thing you've got going on.

A 17 year old finding a 16 year old attractive is a fucked up power play fetish?

get real you little shit, this board is +18

The prefrontal cortex isn't even fully developed until the age of 25.
Anyone younger than that is still a kid.

lets bump age of consent to 25 years then
if you like women below 25 years of age you're scientifically a paedophile

books on 101 psych courses?

thanks for pic related, I must fap now

I thought I was on my tab that had /pol/ open; for a second.

This makes much sense intuitively, as most humans dramatically increase their thinking ability between the ages of 18-25.

Wait, couldn't this be just another cultural assumption without basis in reality?

I became much more stupid from 20 to 21 though, i got A in calc 1 and 2, but then C in calc 3 and fucked up my diff eq course

Uhhh plenty of adults would get those wrong.

The vast majority of humans have difficulty with or actively refuse to make rational decisions. Children are no exception to this, they may be capable of rational decision making but most of them either aren't ready for it or simply refuse to, or haven't matured enough to do so with any regularity. It doesn't help that shitty parents treat children like their retards who are also made of glass, the pampering approach to parenting is absolute trash. If we want younger people to have more freedom then they should also be prepared for responsibilities and consequences.

I don't think its a malicious action to subordinate children to adults, I think it's just laziness and irresponsibility on the part of shit parents and the education system.

>It doesn't help that shitty parents treat children like their retards who are also made of glass, the pampering approach to parenting is absolute trash.
>I think it's just laziness and irresponsibility on the part of shit parents and the education system.

Absolutely this. I'm , btw.

when is a child old enough to make a rational decision in your opinion? I realize it's gonna be different for every child due to mental abilities and types of parents they got.

This.

Humans are incapable of being rational the majority of the time.

People in general don't make rational decisions for the same reasons that most children won't make one; they either don't have, or haven't considered all of the available information.

It can probably be assumed that a child will not have either the will, or perhaps even the ability to process all of the information, even when available, simply because they don't yet have a lifetime of trial-and-error to draw upon when processing said information.

Define rational.

In the best interest of the decision-maker, in this instance, it sounds like.

That definition, or any for that matter that would apply here, is hugely culturally biased and open to speculation.

Does more developed really mean more rational?

>Opinions are illegal

Children are very much capable of making a rational decision, provided their prerequisite knowledge is correct. The same goes for adults.

For example
>You see a snake
poisonous or not, if you don't know, back away. But you need to know that the snake bites before you can draw that conclusion

>You see a muffin
The rational choice of eating it or letting it be depends on how hungry you are.

>You get a muffin from a dude, you get told that if the muffin remains uneaten, the dude will come back with another one.
The classic experiment. In an evolutionary sense, it would make sense to wait and have two muffins... You would have more to eat.

Some children pass this test, many do not (because of attention span problems, trust problems, sugar addiction, etc).

Provided the logic "2 muffins > 1 muffin" is understood by the child, it will aid it in the rational decision.

Children most of the time does not have the knowledge required in order to go through many decisions or decision-chains in a rational way and must rely on the next best thing: gut feeling

Now for the adult... if you have ever had a shit bank, ISP, insurance company or something else along those lines, you try to make a rational decision.

The real flaw is that humanity believes itself to be rational. We are capable of rationality, however instincts, emotions and circumstances interfere a lot.

>rational decision
is understood as taking the decision that has the best possible outcome based on surrounding, circumstantial evidence

>myth used to disciminate and control a particular social group
The reason there are many laws concerning children and the fact that they don't have voting rights is to protect them.

In theory, you could force your child to vote Trump, or any employer could make them wage slaves if those laws were not present...

Maybe girls are retarded as teenagers, but its real douchey to prevent all those horny 15 year boys from getting to fuck an early twenties pawg,

There isn't a line delineating when a child is capable of making any kind of rational decision. I'm talking less about the ability to be a rational human and more about impulse control and as I put it in my earlier post, reliability. To me what separates a child from a young adult is the ability to reign in one's own impulses long enough to consider things like consequence, cost, morality, etc. I and people I liked being around were generally capable of at least this much between the ages of thirteen and fifteen, and obviously this is an ongoing process throughout young adulthood into what most people would consider full adulthood.

TLDR I'd say that a person should be expected to at least make an effort to comport themselves like an adult (taking a moment to think about what you're doing and consider what will happen as a result, taking responsibility for mistakes, ect) by 15 years of age.

You said everything I've said so far, but you took a lot longer to get there.

All subjective. Which is why we have majority rule law designed to represent common sentiment. There's always Sandtown Derkastan for you to move to if you really need to get a kid to scratch your itch.

>In theory, you could force your child to vote Trump, or any employer could make them wage slaves if those laws were not present.

But adults are coerced against their better judgment all the time, giant corporations groom their consumers to desire products which either do nothing but sap their money or actively harm their health. Politicians who actively hold contempt for common people engage in behavior analogous to predation by both lying to their voters and also threatening them (look what will happen if you elect that other guy instead of me!).

In practice this coercive or predatory behavior happens all the time. This is not to say that laws protecting children from it are bad, I would simply point out that the situation doesn't change, just the nature of the predation which people are subjected to.

>You get a muffin from a dude, you get told that if the muffin remains uneaten, the dude will come back with another one.

I would eat the muffin because i'm not a little bitch to the guy to wait for another one

if you think you can buy my time with a muffin you are clearly wrong

I am . This is a hard question. When somebody ask this he assumes that there will be a change, but what if it's not?

I'll give a few examples about kids that I personally know. Draw your own conclusions.

1. 8yo girl. Grown in a family who has no time for her. Stupid parents, strongly religious (orthodox) and reaching nazi limits. They don't talk to her about sexuality, because (according to her father) it's something very bad, and shit. Actually this guy married a 15yo girl when he was 22, and gave her a terrible life (domestic abuse, always drunk, occasional jail).
Well, this 8yo clearly thinks about sex. She asked me about things like condoms, ocasionally tried to "touch" me, suggested me to "touch" her, and grabbed my head to give me a mouth kiss. She also told me that "touching herself" feels great.

2. 8 - 9yo girl. I met her because she needed some help with her bike, otherwise she would have never talked to me. Not very fortunate physically. She spend a lot of time at her grandparents house. Low class uneducated parents (father's brother recently got out of jail). This girl might look silent and taciturn in the beginning, but if you give her some attention she will tell you all her life, and want to know about yours. The first time I said goodbye to her I gave her a hug, I quickly noticed it was something strange for her. She didn't received enough hugs before.

3. 7yo girl. She's the younger sister of the 2nd girl. A nice bitch. Give her some confidence and she will take your whole arm. She will lie for you or for her own interests if it's required. Also, one day she asked me "Do you have a girlfriend?" I said "No. What about you?". Answered to me with a devil smile "Hell, no! I'm only 7".

4. 7yo girl. I met her at the birthday party of the 1st girl. Educated middle class parents. Gentle, always smiling, beautiful. She gave me some potato chips. Always open for a chat. The perfect girl. Period.

Education, environment... All matters.

there's quite a few countries have age of consent at around the age of 15, or even lower. you can move to those places?

see I don't think maturity is the problem. kids can mature early (though not that early) or mimic behavior they've seen in their household or TV or wherever (monkey see, monkey do).
I'm more concerned with the fact that kids that young cannot enjoy sex since they don't have the hormonal levels for it. showing interest in sex is normal, but that doesn't mean they are ready to accept all the consequences that come with that decision.
secondly, it can have traumatic effects. when they grow up they can't just casually talk about how they had sex when they were 7-8 years old. it comes with social stigma.
and last thing, kids are easy to pressure into things. how will you know it's consensual?

>kids are easy to pressure into things. how will you know it's consensual?
According to this, it will never be consensual, no matter if you are 8 or 80, boy or woman. A 40yo woman could pressure a 20yo (social retard) guy and there will not be legal consequences, even when he suffer more than a little girl who is in love with a man.

In fact, the social circus is what use to harm more than any other thing.

reminder that liberals and libertarians have no problems with sex between children/teens but cannot bear sex when one person has not the civil age of 18.

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I've notice women usually cant make rational decisions either. Why cant they vote?

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>> I'm a pedophile but I call myself something else so it's fine.
>lmao really pedo shithead ?
I'm an SJW but I call myself something else, so its fine.

> children can't make decisions
> therefor its rape when an adult touches them
> children can't make decisions
> therefor we can forgive them for touching each other

>The vast majority of humans have difficulty with or actively refuse to make rational decisions.
This man is wise.

>Some children pass this test, many do not (because of attention span problems, trust problems, sugar addiction, etc).
What if you have no interest in a second muffin?

>and the fact that they don't have voting rights is to protect them.
not having rights is "protecting you"

The only reason to watch this movie is Eva Ionesco. Actually this is a really bad movie.
Have you seen Pretty Baby?

>it can have traumatic effects. when they grow up they can't just casually talk about how they had sex when they were 7-8 years old. it comes with social stigma.
I think it's okay if you're a men. But if you're a woman there is 2 options exists: either you are a slut or a rape victim. Glorious double standards.

Yeah slut shaming is one of the reasons. No wonder why most of women preffered to pretend to be victims

youtube.com/watch?v=Wh4W6Ke7eAc

test

fuck you dude.
I know a couple of men who got fondled as children.
It's not alright.

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>Does more developed really mean more rational?

if more rational means making fewer stupid choices, then yes. not so long ago, you couldn't even rent a car if you were under 25, and you still face restrictions.
budget.com/budgetWeb/html/en/common/agePopUp.html

numbers don't lie, and the bean counters figured it out before the brain science peoples.

and look even at government. can't serve in Congress until you are 25. but you can serve in the military at 18, because poor judgement is essential when recruiting cannon fodder.

>rationalise pedophilia

I don't want to rationalism it in itself, but I do believe that it is important to stop treating it as something that is necessarily traumatic and reprehensible, as this is exactly what causes the victims more of the psychological trauma in the first place.

In the past people were forced to make rational decisions faster.
Life was shorter. Diseases unknown. Cures inneffective.
Procreation early was a must.
Nowadays kids can be kids longer...some might even say too long.
But that ends eventually user and personally I believe it for the best.
You have fun. No serious relationships.
Plenty of time to learn how to accomplish something good.

If kids could sell sex, they could earn their own money and adults wouldn't have to pay so much for their support.

Perhaps then more people would be willing to have more kids, more lives would be enabled and the economy would grow. And everybody would gain more sexual options.

This is actually an interesting argument. How could we develop it to use it in public?