Atheism ftw! We fucking love science!

this desu senpai

So do Muslims stop being Muslims when they do terrorist acts? Because even the Bible has several hundred pages about killing the infidels in the name of God.

Complaining about chrustians just like we complain about women.

it's sad that you americans managed to ruin even atheism

>So do Muslims stop being Muslims when they do terrorist acts?

Literally no.

THE QURAN 9:1-8

9:1 A declaration of immunity from God and His apostle to the idolaters with whom you have made agreements:
9:2 For four months you shall go unmolested in the land. But know that you shall not escape God’s judgement, and that God will humble the unbelievers.
9:3 A proclamation to the people from God and His apostle on the day of the greater pilgrimage:
God and His apostle are under no obligation to the idolaters. If you repent, it shall be well with you; but if you give no heed, know that you shall not be immune from God’s judgement.
Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers,
9:4 except to those idolaters who have honoured their treaties with you in every detail and aided none against you. With these keep faith, until their treaties have run their term. God loves the righteous.
9:5 When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful.
9:6 If an idolater seeks asylum with you, give him protection so that he may hear the Word of God, and then convey him to safety. For the idolaters are ignorant men.
9:7 God and His apostle repose no trust in idolaters, save those with whom you have made treaties at the Sacred Mosque. So long as they keep faith with you, keep faith with them. God loves the righteous.
9:8 How can you trust them? If they prevail against you they will respect neither agreements nor ties of kindred. They flatter you with their tongues, but their hearts reject you. Most of them are evil doers.

Also, Jesus is the culmination and fufillment of the law. Fucking Paul does nothing but say that Gentiles have access to the new revelation, as encompassed again, by the Sermon on the Mount.

>9:5 When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them.

yikes

>Jesus
>Old Testament
Pick one

mao di dnothing wrong desu

Some claim that is very specific, but lots of other scholars claim that it abrogates earlier peaceful verses and is an open exhortation to Jihad along with:

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran)
Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."
Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

Anyways, unless you are a minority christian literalist that gives equal credence to the old testament demands to salt the burnt cities of your enemies ignoramuses nothing like this is extent in the Bible.

What's a good honest translation of the Quran in English

Don't do it.

Why not?

Someone (non Muslim) told me it was the most beautiful book he ever read. But it's also filled with such crazy shit I can't help but be curious.

Where did you get these ridiculous translations from? The Sahih International gives a far more accurate and succulent translation if your raised tongue is English.

9:1 [This is a declaration of] disassociation, from Allah and His Messenger, to those with whom you had made a treaty among the polytheists.
9:2 So travel freely, [O disbelievers], throughout the land [during] four months but know that you cannot cause failure to Allah and that Allah will disgrace the disbelievers.
9:3 And [it is] an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah is disassociated from the disbelievers, and [so is] His Messenger. So if you repent, that is best for you; but if you turn away - then know that you will not cause failure to Allah. And give tidings to those who disbelieve of a painful punishment.
9:4 Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].
9:5 And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
9:6 And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah. Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.
9:7 How can there be for the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at al-Masjid al-haram? So as long as they are upright toward you, be upright toward them. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].
9:8 How [can there be a treaty] while, if they gain dominance over you, they do not observe concerning you any pact of kinship or covenant of protection? They satisfy you with their mouths, but their hearts refuse [compliance], and most of them are defiantly disobedient.

Context behind this is it was relaying a peace treaty made with Arabian Pagans by Arabic Muslims and was broken by the Arabian Pagans.

I'm pretty sure that is haram.

Anyways this guy is pretty exhaustive and seemingly anti-bias

meforum.org/717/assessing-english-translations-of-the-quran

Yeah you definitely couldnt extrapolate that to Trinitarian Christians and Shiites

I never give these kinds of comments about America any credibility but in this case you are absolutely right. Britain played a big role too tho to be fair.

Well for one thing, anyone who commits suicide is forever bound to hell, no matter the reason.

there was a pretty funny subreddit called r/nongolfers for awhile
they posted about how much they didnt enjoy golf to parody how there is no real discussion behind agreeing there is no God

>Christian terrorists

Oh yeah. the fucking 2 abortion clinic bombings that have happened in the past few decades. How could I forget?

I thought that muslim God is same as our, and Quran is like last part of trilogy, is it not?

There's more to the world than america senpai.

Not in the name of atheism, though, which is the point.

Suicide is a morally charged term that is intentionally ambiguous. It could be argued that Jesus committed suicide but willingly and knowingly allowing himself to be caught and crucified when he had the knowledge to avoid the situation.

If we think of someone who senselessly pulls the pin of a grenade and dies we call it suicide. If someone falls on a grenade to save the life of someone else when the person committing the act otherwise would have lived we call it self sacrifice. Really all you can get from the bible is a denouncement of pointless self killing, or self killing for non altruistic reasons.

Funnily enough, early Christian doctrine prohibited Christians to join the Roman army. Then Christianity became the official religion, and Saint Augustine came with the concept of "Just war"

The USSR has killed plenty of people with their non-atheism being the primary reason.

>What is Ireland
>What is Lebanon
>What is Uganda
>What is India