Friendly reminder that Crypto is literally an affirmation of libertarian/anarcho-capitalism

i hope so

>race as a factor

A factor for what? Low IQ?

Bad goy

25 years ago today, the Cypherpunk's Manifesto was Written.

youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Indd6I8MU&

A Cypherpunk's Manifesto
by Eric Hughes

Privacy is necessary for an open society in the electronic age. Privacy is not secrecy. A private matter is something one doesn't want the whole world to know, but a secret matter is something one doesn't want anybody to know. Privacy is the power to selectively reveal oneself to the world.

If two parties have some sort of dealings, then each has a memory of their interaction. Each party can speak about their own memory of this; how could anyone prevent it? One could pass laws against it, but the freedom of speech, even more than privacy, is fundamental to an open society; we seek not to restrict any speech at all. If many parties speak together in the same forum, each can speak to all the others and aggregate together knowledge about individuals and other parties. The power of electronic communications has enabled such group speech, and it will not go away merely because we might want it to.

Since we desire privacy, we must ensure that each party to a transaction have knowledge only of that which is directly necessary for that transaction. Since any information can be spoken of, we must ensure that we reveal as little as possible. In most cases personal identity is not salient. When I purchase a magazine at a store and hand cash to the clerk, there is no need to know who I am. When I ask my electronic mail provider to send and receive messages, my provider need not know to whom I am speaking or what I am saying or what others are saying to me; my provider only need know how to get the message there and how much I owe them in fees. When my identity is revealed by the underlying mechanism of the transaction, I have no privacy. I cannot here selectively reveal myself; I must always reveal myself.

>value to the world?
What is value to you? Labor? Physical goods only?

Unlike governments, which is OF COURSE aren't "prone to manipulation by the rich and only benefits a few people"

Therefore, privacy in an open society requires anonymous transaction systems. Until now, cash has been the primary such system. An anonymous transaction system is not a secret transaction system. An anonymous system empowers individuals to reveal their identity when desired and only when desired; this is the essence of privacy.

Privacy in an open society also requires cryptography. If I say something, I want it heard only by those for whom I intend it. If the content of my speech is available to the world, I have no privacy. To encrypt is to indicate the desire for privacy, and to encrypt with weak cryptography is to indicate not too much desire for privacy. Furthermore, to reveal one's identity with assurance when the default is anonymity requires the cryptographic signature.

We cannot expect governments, corporations, or other large, faceless organizations to grant us privacy out of their beneficence. It is to their advantage to speak of us, and we should expect that they will speak. To try to prevent their speech is to fight against the realities of information. Information does not just want to be free, it longs to be free. Information expands to fill the available storage space. Information is Rumor's younger, stronger cousin; Information is fleeter of foot, has more eyes, knows more, and understands less than Rumor.

We must defend our own privacy if we expect to have any. We must come together and create systems which allow anonymous transactions to take place. People have been defending their own privacy for centuries with whispers, darkness, envelopes, closed doors, secret handshakes, and couriers. The technologies of the past did not allow for strong privacy, but electronic technologies do.

Get fucked pajeet, our ideology is too advanced for you too comprehend.

We the Cypherpunks are dedicated to building anonymous systems. We are defending our privacy with cryptography, with anonymous mail forwarding systems, with digital signatures, and with electronic money.

Cypherpunks write code. We know that someone has to write software to defend privacy, and since we can't get privacy unless we all do, we're going to write it. We publish our code so that our fellow Cypherpunks may practice and play with it. Our code is free for all to use, worldwide. We don't much care if you don't approve of the software we write. We know that software can't be destroyed and that a widely dispersed system can't be shut down.

Cypherpunks deplore regulations on cryptography, for encryption is fundamentally a private act. The act of encryption, in fact, removes information from the public realm. Even laws against cryptography reach only so far as a nation's border and the arm of its violence. Cryptography will ineluctably spread over the whole globe, and with it the anonymous transactions systems that it makes possible.

For privacy to be widespread it must be part of a social contract. People must come and together deploy these systems for the common good. Privacy only extends so far as the cooperation of one's fellows in society. We the Cypherpunks seek your questions and your concerns and hope we may engage you so that we do not deceive ourselves. We will not, however, be moved out of our course because some may disagree with our goals.

The Cypherpunks are actively engaged in making the networks safer for privacy. Let us proceed together apace.

Onward.

Eric Hughes

9 March 1993

The OG Cypher Punks were all libertarian. The rest of you liberals new fags are simply guests

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that without which you cannot live is at the base of the pyramid of value and is only produced by hard labour, followed by things that solve problems or make life easier (usually the work of great minds and engineers), at the top things which are not necessary at all but give the most profit (speculation, interest on money, gold). These (the top ones) are the ones ancaps love the most, since they jew minded. Its no mistake or coincidence most ancaps authors you people love to quote are jews

>government isn’t perfect
>we should get rid of it and let everyone do their own thing or let corporations run the show, whatever

Wtf I love ancap now

forgot to add crypto, useless but profitable endevour

>tfw when obscene profits breed obscene comptition and the heightened demand will bring an external heightened supply and you get undercut so hard that you decide to sell your water to make money and the free market once again met demand perfectly

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Your chart shows information about what happens in a world dominated by statism, where governments print money at will to give to their rich buddies in the name of "development and progress". And yet you use it to try to show a flaw in a stateless society in which there would be no central authority to do so. Did your limited brain think it would work?

>trying to frame the debate as a function of susceptibility to manipulation by wealth and the quantity of people which benefit
>not realize governmnents are worse at both
>moving the goal post all fucking way to the way whether or not something is perfect

not if he makes a conglomerate or cartel with other water hoarders and they all agree to keep the price high, each meeting the demands of their respective areas and destroying anyone trying to sell lower by contaminating his water. Who's gonna stop them anyway

Shh, he's retarded. Let him be

Triple-H supremacy

>Who's gonna stop them anyway
Self-interest

Sorry, user
I feel bad now

Salty commies that mocked bitcoin from 2011-2016 are finally in the space and are pissed about the inequality of crypto.

It's your own damn fault idiots.

Based. Thanks for posting
Like most people, at least outside of Veeky Forums, I bought Bitcoin as a normie, even though it was back in 2014, and held it for years as a normie, still subscribing to the liberal political fantasy that is the Democratic party. Reality shifted with Trump's election, I bought more Bitcoin, and, unbeknownst at the time I made them, my financial decisions set me on a path toward realizing libertarian/ancap ideas in my own political (or really, apolitical) outlook.

Fuck off back to /pol/ you socialist faggot, Veeky Forums is AnCap zone.

Contaminating water is a violation of NAP

In a stateless society there would be no gibes. The cream always rises to the top, user.
Look at Serbia in comparison to Germany. No gibs = no migrants, they didn't even need borders.

Also, in a truly free society you could literally have a closed neighbourhood where Tyrone and Jamal can't enter.
Statism is only good if you're on the winning side, and that can't be guaranteed forever. A free society is good for everyone

Ironically crypto kind of killed my faith in non state issued currencies. Don’t get me wrong, I like crypto as a whole and think it’s fine to have competing currencies but let’s be honest here nobody would want to get their wage worked paid in something as volatile as a cryptocurrency.

just get paid in tether LOL

>not realizing where you are on the timeline

BASED

then they dont contaminate it, they buy it all cheap to sell it higher. Conglomerate wins

>ancap is an impractical, flawed ideology
>B-BUT G-GOVERNMENT

The point is not that the system is imperfect, but that it is involuntary/coercive.

>Mommy won’t let me stay up and eat 10 cookies: The ideology

Look up what the definition of a corporation is before criticizing anarcho-capitalists.

Corporations can only exist within a state. There is no limited liability in AnCap utopia.

If your business poisons a bunch of people you will personally go bankrupt.

Name a successful ancap society

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Veeky Forums

>meme answer

meme answer for a meme question

If you don't realize that bitcoin and crypto is building an ancap society from under the noses of the current system you must be blind.

It doesn't suck, they're useful idiots, just need to understand that the real interest for the ultimate function of cryptos is more limited than the price says it is.

they don't exist. switzerland comes close though, and it's known almost universally to be the best country in the world in general

what would the ultimate nanny state crypto be? I want to make one.

>centralized
>allows chargebacks somehow
>inflation
>faucet distribution

It’s not a “meme question” lmao. There is no ancap society because it’s impractical and stupid. If it’s so great someone would have tried it by now. There isnt even an ancap society let alone a successful one. You retards have no single example. The burden of proof is on corporate tools like you. I hope your local PMC CEO personally executes you after invading your land.

>socialized healthcare
>gun control
>meme referendums like banning minarets
>small, relatively homogenous white society

Stellar

here's a good example of someone who didnt larp the ancap meme but lived by it, even if unknowingly. Down to waging war against the state.
This is the archetype of the ancap hero, criminals, bandits and outlaws. His business poisoned people, destroyed families and left blood everywhere it moved including your country. Yet it was extremely succesful and still is. Bankrupt, lol.
In ancap society nobody would sacrifice himself for greater things, there are no heroes, no defenders of truth. Its all about what the market dictates and profit, whether its right or wrong, doesnt matter.

Also governments are actively regulating crypto now, good luck with that.

"socialized healthcare"
>outweighed by literally being the most capitalist country in the world. this is precisely the reason why I said it came close
"gun control"
>almost everyone has a gun and crime rates are at an all time low
"meme referendums"
>literally every country has banned at least one thing for little to no reason
"white society"
>what the fuck does this have to do with anything

>what does having a homogenous society have to do With stability and prosperity

Top kek have fun with your diversity

nice job ignoring all my other points

Liechtenstein.

The prince is a Hans Herman Hoppe friend and listens to him, he even wanted to allow absolute free association within his country, which is pretty much the main requisite for anarcho capitalism.

His empire was so large and profitable because other countries (mainly the USA) waged war on any of his competitors, though. Local competitors could undercut his prices since there would be lower transportation costs. Also, the price of anything skyrockets if you ban it.

Besides that, who are you to tell people not to snort cocaine? If they're dumb enough to do it, let them. Without the high prices they could do it and still function without selling everything and having to rob people.

anarchists have always been commies allies, this helicopter ride thing make me laugh

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_association_(Marxism_and_anarchism)

>implying corporations can trample your rights by use of force without the help of government

See

The spontaneous order is everywhere that centralized hierarchical control is not.

oll.libertyfund.org/groups/104

>local competitors
dude he murdered every single competitor and thats what would happen in ancap, and no NAP bullshit is gonna stop it. You will never stop violence.
>still function
is that the type of society you want?

That article is full of contradictions, expected, since it's Marxism it's talking about, you cannot have free association while advocating for revolution of the proletariat, which is pretty much forcing people to associate.

Government turns off/nationalizes the internet

Your move.

you cannot have that freedom without your ancap revolution first. You cannot have revolution without violence. How are you gonna talk about non aggression pacts after a bloodshed. You will never convince people to voluntary and peacefully agree to your model. Same with Marxism

I mean US competitors. Escobar's coke was mostly sold in the US.
Also, if you make a business illegal the only businessmen in this field will be the common sociopath who would kill to make more money. Weed dealers used to do this too, but now they have hipster shops in Colorado and sell weed stocks on NASDAQ. Sounds like exactly what I'm saying.

>is that the type of society you want?
It doesn't matter what I want, why would my opinion matter on a random person's life? People will do coke anyway, at least this way they can do it legally with a quality product and low prices (instead of using crack mixed with all kinds of stuff, bought with robbed money because it's too expensive and too addictive).

Dumb it down pls

Here's the thing about lolbertarianism: it's retarded

Why

>you cannot have that freedom without your ancap revolution first. You cannot have revolution without violence.

All you require is a country allowing areas to secede, this leads to anarcho capitalism. Plus economic revolution, such as crypto, is called agorism and works in favor of anarcho capitalism.

>You will never convince people to voluntary and peacefully agree to your model.

Current institutions are a ticking bomb and if you're in /biz you should know it, debt is going to tear them apart and their ability to collect taxes is going to do nothing but collapse.

Some countries are already experimenting with private cities (India, honduras) special economic cities (China), private cities are the future.

Just adding a point: you're probably a burgerclap. Remember what happened when you guys outlawed liquor? That's right, the only businessmen were sociopaths who killed competitors. Just like Pablo Escobar.
Look at what they've become after it became legal again. No one gets murdered because of your Budweiser. Alcohol can be pretty harmful and addictive, but instead of harmful moonshine you have soft stuff like beer and most people don't overindulge.

>people will do coke anyway
see this is the problem with you people. You accept degeneracy as inevitable, cause 'muh freedom' and 'who am i to tell others what to do, thats authoritarian!'.
Before the mass influx of drug into the U.S almost nobody did coke or any drug, and anyone who did was frowned upon. Thats what happens when you live in a moral society. It is not accepted as normal or inevitable. Those who do it feel bad about it, as they should.
If you return to this kind of thinking, then no, people wont do coke anyway, since it is expected of them to be clear minded, productive individuals. The kind of people that lifts your country. Legal, illegal, doesnt matter if it is considered shit and nobody does it.

Or just stop paying taxes collectively and stop using any currency that the state can print at will. That's enough to kill central governments.

because feelings

>collapse of current institutions and economies
great, thats an opportunity to try better systems than this ancap bs, which doesnt solve any problem at all but in fact appeals to the more primitive and selfish side of humans

In a truly free society after the 2008 crash all banks and overleveraged corporations would have gone out of business and allowed for new more efficient ones to take over. The one keeping the powerful in power is the government not the free market.

Who the fuck are you to tell others what shoud they do with their money? Alcohol, tobacco, fast food, all poison people and no one bats an eye, if the government outlawed those there would be cartels providing them too, with the same level of violence. Get your fake morals out of here fag.

>see this is the problem with you people. You accept degeneracy as inevitable, cause 'muh freedom' and 'who am i to tell others what to do, thats authoritarian!'.

Do you advocate for going to war with pretty much the entire world? There's degeneracy everywhere and there's little you can do unless you want to conquer the world.

Thus why ancaps settle with at least being able to control who you associate with.

Ancap doesn't need to cover race at the macro level because it pushes it to the business owner. Without government interference, such as the Civil Rights act of 1964, most niggers would starve in USA. Additionally, if schools were private, there's no free babysitting, which makes single motherhood a liability, which makes black men taboo and unattractive. Get rekt

>this other stuff is harmful too, so more harmful shit should be readily available cause im a degenerate
and this is why the west is decaying. Harmful shit should be avoided. Yes you can buy it and harm yourself but you will be considered a degenerate, same as heroin addicts are

Crypto is actually neo-reactionary.

>little you can do
as an individual yes. As a collective, anything is possible but authoritarianism is required

kys commie

not even a little bit

crypto is the end to your way of life

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Decentralized authoritarianism (contracts) is what Ancap is all about.

Say you were given the chance to experiment an ancap society, you would have thousands of private cities to choose from, some of them would be degenerate allowing, others wouldn't.

All of the sudden degenerate cities get people tired because they're not as degenerate as others, and thus they're assuming their costs, which forces them to move to a less degenerate place. Eventually the degenerates run out of people to indulge their lifestyle, forcing them to change or die.

Understanding markets we can easily understand that society tends to optimization of costs when allowed, and degeneracy is costly.

Why don't you move to saudi arabia idiot so you don't have to live with degenerates that eat pork...

That's cute. What will you do when this "collective" you put your faith into decides that something YOU do is degenerate? Such as owning a firearm?
Politics just leads to pointless infighting and in a collectivist society you'd better hope the government is on the same side as you, because your life would be pretty shitty otherwise. Democracy was a mistake.
If you don't like people who do drugs, don't associate yourself with them. It's as simple as that.

Who decides what is harmful, though? You?
I've met plenty of smokers and beer drinkers who think like you do.

Using any drug is a victimless crime and the only reason why cigarettes aren't illegal is because they make the state money

and saves them money, by dying so early they don't have to pay medicare and social security.

Pretty much, the results of National socialism is rapefugees invasion.

Allowing an entity to dictate rules of conduct according to majority's will (or strength) might lead to what you want, or the total opposite of what you want, like in today's society.

Private property and contracts, however, lead to perpetuity of values and market forces deciding moral optimals.

If you don't like coke, don't do it.
What makes you think you should control what others use or don't use?

>anyone i disagree with is a commie
thats a strange way to organize humans
pork is not degenerate, faggot
this is a philosophical matter. What is considered harmful in the long run, using logic and proof, scientific if necessary, not only to yourself but your countrymen, is what is degenerate. If you are harming yourself and you are part of society, you are harming society since it now consists of a less optimal member. The 'collective' is a sum of individuals. The collective sucks if the individuals are not their best. Guns are not degenerate. Democracy on a large scale was a mistake.
>dont associate with them
they still form part of the collective and they are making it worse. You want your nation to aspire to greatness, and the nation consists of individuals which must share a common purpose or you're going nowhere