Marxism is practically racism for the lower class

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>t.Carlitos Marx

marxism was never for the benefit of the lower classes

it was a weapon for intellectuals to hit the middle classes/ capitalists with

>you do realize in europe we
Stopped reading there

ironically Engels was pretty well off himself

>racism for the lower class
I think you mean class warfare, you fucking ignorant retard

But so what? The rich are fighting a class war to concentrate power and decision making into private hands and amass all the wealth.

well i guess i'm loving engels instead

But that's master morality.

>implying the working poor in the United States like Marxism

Maybe from the 1900s to the 30s with a major lull in enthusiasm during the First World War. But then only because it was just starting to be memed upon them and the news coming from the Soviet Union was heavily censored and the lengths to which they were oppressing their citizens just wasn't known. The Prime Minister or France at the time of the Holodomor, Edouard Herriot, was given a guided tour of Ukraine and he said "it was like a garden in full bloom". Potemkin villages.

Then and now the dyed-in-the-wool Marxists are typically Jews, feminists and (the type you will find on this board) college bohemians. If you tried to organize a communist party today, you would be shut down in debates for "male supremacy" and if by some miracle the revolution ever came they'd put a bullet in your skull.

This, thank you user.

except now lower classes contain multitudes of intellectuals giving Marxism the ability to rise more than ever

the lower classes now live in the third world and are more likely to turn to religion

>what is communism
>what is marxism
>what is feminism

all this disinfo from fucking entitled fucks who don't read shit; tell me user, what books on the topic has u read? Or it is only your intuition (aka propaganda & power relations) which make u to tell us all this magnific point of view?

If they ascend to the level of "intellectual" they're probably using their new status to write self-help books and make inspirational speeches for at-risk children to "fix da streetz", then starring in fast food commercials.

i.e, they're using their success to exploit the poor and their hopes of transcending their caste, when the best thing would be to get to work or to follow whatever it is that moves them with zeal and not listen to "intellectuals".

This. 1968. May. France. Rave culture. Maybe it sounds stupid but that is actually doing a lot in wide-spreading revolutionary ideas in the non-academic population.

>get to work

my god u still living in xix century

Not an argument, put the bottle down.

Note how the college bohemian species of communist cannot argue in the language of normal men and must spew jargon.

>normal men

Mein Gott, and I don't even mentioned that you speak about Jews in your post. If you want arguments why I though that you don't have any idea on the topic, that is one. Another one is your talk about organizing a communist party: do you know something about Podemos in Spain, Syriza in Greece or Five stars in Italy?

And by the way, nowadays there are more special snowflakes bohemians type who think they are so above the rest of us than any other type. Proof: you.

It's actually the other way around: Marxism aims to destroy the poor as a group.

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So why is it that so many Bolsheviks and communist theorists were Jewish? A rabbinical love for loud debate? A racial tendency for the books?

"Antisemitism, pssh really?" isn't an argument, it's your own propaganda.

Okay, you're just in that phase. Don't worry, it passes (as its name indicates).

I guess science is also a Jewish plan,those sneaky bastards

>Muh class war

>all these unironic marxists on this board

The most you did was name drop a few unsuccesful communist party movements in the Mediterranean and now you've given up completely.

>2016
>irony

All that DFW posting and nobody has learn a shit.

You need some time to google them, eh? And of course I give up. Have you ever try to convince a religious person to became an atheist or the other way round? If yes, that's kinda stupid imo.

I hope you find people to talk about your ideas and plans with life and society, but I guess I am not that person.

maybe going back to /pol/ helps you to find that people

>meet a politically active qt
>shes a socialist and active in protests and organising
>she describes herself as a Trotskyite
>try to talk to her about Anarchism and the problem of the State and the Vanguard Party
>lend her Ursuala K. LeGuins The Dispossessed
>never returns it
bitch broke my heart

I guess she expropiate it.

So you're not enthusiastic enough to defend your ideas?

Who is really going through a phase here?

>mfw

Sorry to break your illusion, but is right about you.

You use Podemos and Syriza as examples. Let me tell you, Podemos is a fucking failure of a party. They are not even communist, they are the progressive intellectual fedora feminist type that was described posts above. They are Venezuela's bitch, and they try to hide that, which results in utter failure because there are videos on YouTube where Pablo Iglesias openly declares that Hugo Chavez is a referent. Also, Pablo Iglesias is a fucking entitled brat, who believes he is very clever because he is a professor in Political Science and have like one hundred of meme PolSci masters. And dont get me start on Monedero, who unironically defends that The Lion King is Monarchist propaganda.

And about Syriza, they are crashing Greek economy with no survivors.

So basically user was right when he said that Marxists are college bohemians and feminists. Your "Marxist parties" unironically believe that the real problem with society is that there are not enough LGTB rights, and that expropiation is a correct tool for democracy.

On a polynesian tvshow social network? With an antisemitist who think feminism is a bad thing? With which purpose? Make grow my ego? Or maybe illuminate a person who want not?

c'mon man, u can do it better

To call the belief in substantial human equality a superstition is to insult superstition. It might be unwarranted to believe in leprechauns, but at least the person who holds to such a belief isn’t watching them not exist, for every waking hour of the day. Human inequality, in contrast, and in all of its abundant multiplicity, is constantly on display, as people exhibit their variations in gender, ethnicity, physical attractiveness, size and shape, strength, health, agility, charm, humor, wit, industriousness, and sociability, among countless other features, traits, abilities, and aspects of their personality, some immediately and conspicuously, some only slowly, over time. To absorb even the slightest fraction of all this and to conclude, in the only way possible, that it is either nothing at all, or a ‘social construct’ and index of oppression, is sheer Gnostic delirium: a commitment beyond all evidence to the existence of a true and good world veiled by appearances. People are not equal, they do not develop equally, their goals and achievements are not equal, and nothing can make them equal. Substantial equality has no relation to reality, except as its systematic negation. Violence on a genocidal scale is required to even approximate to a practical egalitarian program, and if anything less ambitious is attempted, people get around it (some more competently than others).

>And about Syriza, they are crashing Greek economy
Yeah, *they* did that.

Don't even worry. He must be a spaniard and here there is running a strong campaign against this movements (of course because we are countries where they can succeed). Sadly the propaganda has done his work and the corrupt postfascist party has won again. But well, the fight keeps on.

P.D: I'm spaniard too.

amazing that people think like this

Dialectic materialism my nigga. We're changing that world you are talking about.

what?
???

Oh please, more cibervoluntariado.

There can hardly be a strong campaign when you cant check on YouTube how Pablo loves Chavez's cock. Also, they kinda deserve get trashtalked. Do you remember Monedero suggesting that Rivera was a cocaine addict? Only in our Euroafrican country a politician could resort to such shitty political tactics.

PP is such a postfascist party, they allowed mass inmigration in 2002 and they declared Gay Pride a cultural festivity in Madrid

Did you know that Monedero is not a politician? He is an intellectual, he is no anymore in the party. But well, I guess someone which opinions are made from youtube videos is on the level of flat earth or annunaki aliens theorists.

and by the way, do you know what the post prefix means? Of course they are not fascists, c'mon.

Since when a philosophical work and an economical model/study became a political one with racial subtones?

Distorsion of information in pure form.

Define a post-fascist. If it is true that a post-fascist has nothing to do with fascism, then what is it? Is it just your reflexive insult for people who don't agree with you, sort of like how "bourgeois" was the reflexive insult for everything that annoyed communists in the 20th century?

>so up his own commie ass he's making up jargon as we speak
>expecting us to understand said jargon

And Marxists wonder why they can't win over the poor. No shit, they can't present themselves logically and when beseeched to do so they get butt flustered.

Monedero isnt anymore in the party because of some fiscal scandal, not because he was a profesional bullshitter.

The YouTube videos I was talking about are interviews with them. Not shitty OKDiario propaganda. You can check anytime their weird antics because they are that fucktarted to boast about how they love XXIth Century Socialism.

I agree that they are not fascists. The 'Post-' prefix indicates that there is at least a relationship with the original source, and I dont recall Fascism being so openly friendly with mass inmigration or homosexuality.

And that supposing that there was Fascism in Spain, which there wasnt. Just an Afro-Semite Galician that tried to roleplay as a fascist.

Excellent bait.

The best part is that Marxists claim to defend the workers, yet they insult the common worker the moment he declares he doenst like feminism or that inmigrants are stealing his job. Nice job guiding the people.

>marxists don't favour male white worker's over other workers
>this somehow reflects poorly on them

>marxists dont get that the average worker is half-illiterate and isnt interested in Dialectics, and laugh about them
>omg why everyone believes we are college pseuds and why the right wing parties are getting the workers votes.

>compares marxist intellectuals with rightwing politicians
>the intellectuals use more complicated language than the politicians
>this is somehow noteworthy
I've never heard any politicans talk about dialectics.

>lending anything to a socialist
serves you right, faggot

>the intellectuals use more complicated language than the politicians
>why the workers arent listening to us?

Can you give me one example of a marxist intellectual who's surprised about the lack of a big proletarian audience?

Thank you, this summary was beautiful.

>(((Marx)))

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the left are the foot soldiers for the neoliberals

t. Cameron

there are lower classes living in every single country, especially in first world countries.

realistically speaking, there is only one class (or no class) that exists in third world countries. everyone else is an outlier.

>work
disgusting

doesn't exist in a vacuum

Marxism is good and true, but most powerful when combined with anarchism. Libertarian communism is the only ideology truly dangerous to the power hungry.

>Another one is your talk about organizing a communist party: do you know something about Podemos in Spain, Syriza in Greece or Five stars in Italy?
Not him, but I do. What do you want to know?

oh deary me

Are they patrician?

>implying that even though my education ended halfway through high school I still won't become rich through hard work and dedication
FUCKING DELETE THIS

the lower classes in first world nations are incomparable to those in third world nations in terms of how much they cost to maintain, standard of living and most importantly SIZE
a semi-vacuum

No. It's basically the degenerate champagne socialist class, people who have tenures in universities and write stupid shit about stupid shit written by their own class a century ago. They're funded by Soros i.e. CIA as controlled opposition.

good news, you won't

>someone challenges a status quo they believe to be unjust
>accuse them of manufacturing conflict

Every single time. I wish you right-wing fags had more arguments than trying to derail every single conversation by accusing your opponent of having some insidious agenda to overthrow the social order. Which is always, of course, so much worse than preserving an existing one that just happens to benefit you. I don't even agree with Marxism, but this is just disingenuous rhetoric.

>Then and now the dyed-in-the-wool Marxists are typically Jews, feminists and (the type you will find on this board) college bohemians

You forgot the reptilians.

>If you tried to organize a communist party today, you would be shut down in debates for "male supremacy"

Communist parties do still exist in the west today and are rarely in conflict with feminists, except for the bizzare brand of pseudo-redpill brocialism that seems to be peculiar to this board and leftypol - viewing feminists as weaponized agents of the black-hooded bourgeois. You could easily replace "feminists" with "cultural marxists" in this sort of schizophrenic gibberish.

>>Communist parties do still exist in the west today and are rarely in conflict with feminists,
Because they're literally led by feminists, and paid from the same funds. Why would they be in conflict? The entire thing started from Marx, it's the same principle.

In my country, it's the same blob that supports the EU, wears communist symbols, "fights globalism", and gets Open Society money.

>Communist parties do still exist in the west today
how many of them are doing communism

>dull, thudding mockery without addressing the argument
Found the capitalist.

*t. Cameron's writing staff

>she describes herself as a Trotskyite
Did she give you free pamphlets and newspapers?

mlpd.de/
this one for example

>The entire thing started from Marx, it's the same principle.

Feminism started in the late 1700s. It just didn't get attention until the late 1800s. I'm sure you can trace proto-feminist sentiment even further back if you really tried, but that would tickle your confirmation bias a bit too close for comfort. It was a natural progression of post-Enlightenment values just like racial equality and everything else that comes with liberalism. You can't just label every social trend you disagree with a conspiracy and call it a day.

>Because they're literally led by feminists, and paid from the same funds.

Nobody told me that Germaine Greer and Stalin shared a bank account. You seem to be implying that every single feminist is a university-educated feminist lecturer that lives full-time on tax dollars. It's as absurd as stereotyping a priest as your average Christian. Not to mention, how they acquire the money really does nothing to discredit their ideas, you're just whining about vague conservative claptrap again. Muh intellectual elitists. Muh tax dollars.

>In my country, it's the same blob that supports the EU, wears communist symbols, "fights globalism", and gets Open Society money.

Why not write an even bigger list of things you dislike and throw them all in the same bucket? The majority of feminists are liberal capitalists and don't support a command economy.

>muh real communism

Nobody cares, fag

>implying feminism didn't start with Boudica

there was no argument

In 1958, Steinem was recruited by CIA's Cord Meyers to direct an "informal group of activists" called the "Independent Research Service." This was part of Meyer's "Congress for Cultural Freedom," which created magazines like "Encounter" and "Partisan Review" to promote a left-liberal chic to oppose Marxism. Steinem, attended Communist-sponsored youth festivals in Europe, published a newspaper, reported on other participants, and helped to provoke riots.

It was all toward promoting a false dialectic. The same people that are behind Communism are behind the CIA. The other Jewish leader of second wave feminism, Betty Friedan, was a member of the Communist Party.

Steinem was not a unwitting agent or dupe. She was quite aware of the fact that the CIA was pulling her strings. In The Mighty Wurlitzer, author Hugh Wilford elaborates:

"As for Steinem herself, she became witting when she began asking questions about the ISI's funding, and the undercover CIA officers explained that the Boston grandees and foundations apparently subsidizing the venture were in fact pass-throughs for secret official fund." (142)

Despite its anti establishment image, MS magazine attracted advertising from the cream of corporate America. It published ads for ITT at the same time as women political prisoners in Chile were being tortured by Pinochet, after a coup inspired by the US conglomerate and the CIA.

Steinem's personal relationships also belie her anti establishment pretensions. She had a nine-year relationship with Stanley Pottinger, a Nixon-Ford assistant attorney general, credited with stalling FBI investigations into the assassinations of Martin Luther King, and the ex-Chilean Foreign Minister Orlando Latelier. In the 1980's, she dated Henry Kissinger.

Marx's views on Slavs are literal racism, by the way.

>how they acquire the money really does nothing to discredit their ideas

yes it does

Then why there is a bunch of Stalin Streets in France.

not him but i'm eager to listen to you, in fact i like to listen to many different people, it is always enlightining! :-)

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Pls explain

this: Hegel, Feuerbach, Adam Smith, Ricardo, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, Jean-Jacques, Charles Fourier; these are the most notable people from which Marx drew. It's real first-world decadence to not realize most of the impoverished world has not forgotten about class and an analysis on class, but we in our ivory towers have become complacent and docile.. too afraid to challenge the status quo. Brief yourself up on the material and provide an authentic Veeky Forumserary critique.

Try falling for a Trotskyist as a Marxist-Leninist.. One of the terrible things about Marxist conventions being so popular around the area I'm in. All I want is a non-politically active qt.

>racism

You mean dysgenics if you knew that word

>"And about Syriza, they are crashing Greek economy with no survivors."
Syriza are traitors but they aren't the reason for the crash, they've turned to fiscal neoliberalism again like a lot of the bloc does. As being part of the EU, they have no independent currency to inflate to ease their worries, and so on. If you haven't realized they're being looted by Germany, I'm not really sure what to say.

>NAFALT

Topkek. You probably believe there is a wage gap

>itt: people I'm better then