Why are Americans so resistant to free university? Pic related

>Platonism
No.

Because we remember the 50's fondly, and don't want to ruin our nostalgia by actually reliving them.

You know, back when half the states had free higher education, and about 80% of the jobs in the private sector were unionized.

Because muh gommunism, socialism and cultural marxist degeneracy is ebul, or something along those lines.

Basically there is no argument, the mind of the Americans is sick to the roots thanks to their government propaganda, it's one of the few/only first world countries in the world where the lower class has been convinced/brainwashed to actually be happy to be cucked and remain cucked and defend the cuckolding in favor of the elite and those with more wealth than them. A large accountability of that fucked up thinking can be traced to the Cold War and the state opposition to anything remotely "socialist".

I dont know why in north america that they want to limit the education and research in science but there are cures for cancer that have been proven to work but are not legal by the FDA such as mistletoe extract which have been proven to kill cancer cells
cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/cam/patient/mistletoe-pdq
But for some reason this reasearch is not being used for a cure and do you know why? its because its more profitable to treat a disease for as long as possible as oppose to curing it

My first thought was "fuck you, purple lakes and skies are awesome". My second thought can't be transcribed into the written word, as it happened shortly after reading that clusterfuck you vomited onto your computer screen.

That's most likely not how it's going to work. In the instance that college becomes free, the government will probably set up a threshold that college students need to stay above in order to continually receive funding. Alongside this, useless degrees may be discouraged in favor of better, actually useful ones (hopefully). This could potentially be a good thing if the people in power don't fuck it up and the people taking advantage of free higher education don't dick around.

t. women studies PhD

>the cure for cancer

Wew lad.

>this much meme effort into laughing at the cure for cancer not being a viable future option
>thinking that the only way to cure cancer is to fight each and every individual symptom after it arises

>the cure for entropy
Hah jokes on you I'm autistic

>begin brainwashing people in elementary school that University is the only path toward salvation
>make it free
>both standards and value of degree plummet further as bachelor's becomes a minimum requirement to navigate through society
>first year University courses are already just remedial high school material full of people who complain about having to use algebra

Education through textbook grinding and vomiting out trivia for another four years is a sad waste of time. Compared to someone who takes up piano or gymnastics for 17 years, you really having nothing to show for all that education except you can now beg for that job at the bank.

Stop ruining my illusion user everyone needs to be happy in exact equal amounts!

>valuing "piano and gymnastics" over knowledge and scientific advancement

Why are you even on this board?

>cure for an inherent flaw with DNA

He's making a critique of the value of the average American's educational experience. Sad and maybe poignant that you couldn't understand that.

This is why you should never assume that because you are smart in one field, you are equally smart in other unrelated fields.

>free university
it's called the internet.

if you can't learn on your own using it then you definitely aren't learning at university.

If you've seen the way the U.S Gov handles social welfare programs you would know that a free college system would be utter shit.

B-b-b-b-b-b-ut..... muh learning styles!!!!!

I'm an audial learner!!!!!! If it's not in the form of sound waves, it goes completely over my head

If you go to college and get a degree that supports you and possible a family, you'll have no problem paying off loans.

In fact if you're 'going to cure cancer' you'll likely spend 4-8 years in grad. school giving you a chance to payoff loans interest free while you get a TA/RA stipend. And if you choose a good group that has funding, you should at most TA for just 2-4 semesters. The grad. school stipends in chemistry are usually around $1.5-2.5k/month depending on location.

>welfare programs

>don't worry, take all the courses you have time for
>here's more money to support it that you can spend on anything
That's never going to get abused, no sir.

what do you guys think of vitamin B17? i heard its banned in the states for some reason..why?

>useless degrees may be discouraged in favor of better, actually useful ones

and then bitches will start crying about why there arent any woman in college

>this post

theres a lot of things that can kill cancer cells that are not good treatments for cancer. selectivity would be the important factor in this unless you want to wipe out a lot of the rest of your body with the cancer.

Because our culture has been so defined by jews that we only see arguments as far as an ideological capitalist would.

IF you extend public education from k-12 to k-16, (which is basically what you're doing if you're saying everyone needs that much education)

THEN
1. We get a better country because people are more intelligent, elect more intelligent leaders, who make more intelligent decisions, etc etc etc
2. My education isn't as valuable as it is now, because everyone else will have one too.

2>1
SO
FUCK the country. We'd rather be the king of the mountain, even if it means reducing the mountain to a steaming pile of shit, than stand shoulder to shoulder on a gleaming mountain in the clouds.

That is the nature of individualistic cultures, and that is what the US is, above all. Fuck you, gimme mine. That's the way the country's been heading since the first europeans even showed up here to begin with, and with a few minor ups and downs, it's been steadily progressing more and more extreme ever since.

>was going to make a wisecrack about jews & capitalism
>decided to actually make a real point
>left the part in about jews
whoops
lol

>It's a "commie still thinks communism will work, despite multiple failed attempts" episode again

Proving my point to a fucking T. Fear of communism by idiots stuck in the 1940s.

Everybody going to school? THAT'D BE COMMUNJISM
Everyone already goes to school you fucking dope. K-12 is communism too I suppose. So are traffic signals. Fuckin government telling you what to do... fuck them, user. Go run out into traffic. Show em who's boss.

You make the mistake of assuming that if we force people to go to school, they would make good use of it and actually learn something. Public school is already bad enough as it is. K-16 would be even worse.

>everybody going to university
>implying everybody is qualified for university education
>implying you are not inviting them to waste their 4 fucking years in life and potentially another 5 years of their life to pay off loan while profiting the greedy motherfuckers that run these university
>implying some retards won't do useless degree and then complaint about "discrimination"
university should not be a place for job training. also fuck them greedy morons who run university for profits only.

don't even correct me on the loan. you think money for free university comes from the sky? it's all your fucking money morons. instead of paying for yourself only now you are going to pay for you and all these retards who go to university on useless degree to prove they are "smart"

B-but user... that's selfish! And individualism! That's bad! Aren't you compassionate?

I'm not compassionate but that's is way better for everybody than wasting the retards time and our money while feeding off the big corporations behind these swindle schemes.

Because America is third world country that just happens to be rich

Pretty much this. If you just let all the third-world monkeys into college by making college free, education would basically be a jungle.

What is better than having an educated population though? Nothing bad would come out of this scenario. Why are Americans so worried about spending a
few trillion on education, when they spend way more on defense?

Because Americans believe that God will appoint you with the money for college when you disserve it

And you only disserve it if you're faithful enough

Then they enforce that believe by only letting perfect cookie cutter sjws into colleges and disabling everyone else, especially if your non religious or a non Christian religion

Depending on how you define "educated".
Making university free and lower the bar for everyone will basically make it another K12 where people won't put any effort in it, wasting society time, money without achieving anything but producing people with over-exaggerated selfworth. And then we will have to create another education system for excellent people only, oh wait...

No no no no no. You are not getting it. You will not get your "educated population" by throwing more people into school for a longer period of time. People will not learn if they do not value learning. Giving them four extra years of school will not make them four extra years smarter. It will just make them resent school even more, because now the standards have been set higher in terms of the job market and they are forced to go through pointless extra schooling to get anywhere in life.

College should be a library

Why is everyone assuming that free college equates to mandatory college? Keep the same standards, if not raise the current standards to further filter out the people who genuinely want to be there from the people who felt it is mandatory to be there.

>college is now free
>colleges get flooded
>everyone is getting bachelor's degrees
>employers can no longer rely on the bachelor's degree as a filter for good candidates
>employers replace undergraduate degree requirement with graduate degree requirement

Congratulations. College is now mandatory.

>implying they haven't been lowering the standard because "muh equality"
Making university education free would basically removing the biggest risk of making wrong life choice going to university for the retards. Expect ton of them going to university just to prove they are "smart". Most of them can't do STEM so they are going to study "another stuff". Supplies and demands. More and more university will be opened to teach these useless major. At one point in the future bachelor becomes K12 and PhD become bachelor. And we will have post-PhD where people have to waste 30+ years to start doingn research

I don't get why Americans always resort to "blacks would ruin it". Every country has poor and retarded people and they deal with it fine, you shouldn't give up on something just because of something like that.

>Using digrees to judge your employees instead of actual communication with the employee

Women are actually present in courses like chemistry and biochemistry. I think math has a lot of girls as well, at least I saw a graph saying that iirc. It's CS, engineering and physics that's males only.

>implying employers are not gonna skim over 1000+ resumes and filter out those retards without a PhD.

>There have been only 3 applications filled this month and you are speaking bullshit

Still doesn't change the fact that blacks would ruin it. I went to a pretty ghetto high school filled to the brim with monkeys who didn't give a shit, so this hits pretty close to home. I consider my university a safe haven.

>implying normies aren't sending out resumes to 30+ companies each month

Imma say it's not the race, it's the culture. Unintelligent white dudes that didn't want to learn or do anything ruined my school experience

This is what's wrong with the world, people are acting like bugs instead of persuing their sick dreams

>sick dream
they are already are, majority of them don't want to go through education to get it though.

You are going to take a bunch of dumb poor people, keep them dumb poor people, give them no hope of improving because you blame something that can't be changed, what do you think you are going to get?

>Want to do things with your life
>Don't want to be in debt for hundreds of years
>Can't

>want to do things with your life
>go to university
>instead of paying debt for 5 years now you have to pay increased tax for the rest of your immortal life.

That's how the world works

I get my first min wage job at 18 on the same day i got my ID. Shelf stocking at a grocery store. They give me a shirt,a name tag, tell me if I'm late three times i get fired, then give me a cart full of food and say go.

I asked what to do and everyone curled their eyebrows. I asked again and everyone left. Manager came back ten minutes later and lectured me about appearing professional and using the correct terms when speaking to people.

I got demoted to back room sorting, where i was still never told what to do. I figured just to put the similar for next to each other. Got told i was doing a good job, then during lunch coworkers talked to me about how i was still learning my place in society, and that it's okay that i didn't know shelf stocking.

I think people expect you to come into life already knowing things, before you get taught.

Why do people assume everyone will stay the way they are, instead of knowing that when people have realisations and epiphanies, it makes themselves change how they act?

Education was supposed to be communicating with people and giving them realisations about how things worked, inspiring them to see how things really are and possibly give them the emptive to help it improve. Now it's some kind of sifting scheme for "good" and "bad" humans, as if you can't make one into the other with some work. Which is what school is supposed to be.

Everyone's fucking lazy, why are we all forcing each other to drew nice and talk to each other every day?

Political body hand holding needs to be put to a stop. The government used to only be chartered with defense of the nation and now we have healthcare, corruption, food housing and discretionary spending, schooling, retirement, corruption...

Balancing compassion with brutality is the only way to move forward and produce strong self motivated people.
Give people everything they want and they'll just get worse, asking for more and more instead of taking care of themselves.

I don't like the idea of even more of people's tax dollars being sucked away into another ponzi scheme. These people who think mandatory gov't funded college is proper are the same people who would get a degree in underwater basket weaving and ask why they have to struggle with $10-12/hr menial jobs, if they can hope to even work that hard, having a third taken away in taxes and healthcare "fines"

America was about strength of self working together with and for the community, not the community giving up every bit for every underachieving man.

I would understand OPs post in a more metaphorical way. The idea is not in him now but with the right knowledge he could make it happen. Look up Ramanujan for example, indian mathematician, self thaught from a single algebra book, his heritage are 600 equations some of those are not solved today. When he wanted to study nobody wanted him, because in india you need to be good in several courses. On the other hand you could still make performance-oriented studying possible in the US because they have quite a few private unis and enough rich white people to pay them.
I think you missed your exit m8

>I think you missed your exit m8
Sorry, a topic on government regulation,
Should I whip out my slide ruler and calculate the exact change every man woman and child would get if we took all the rich's profits?

>i should pay tax money for some dumb bitch to get a degree in gender studies or business
>i should pay tax money for some dumb motherfucker to get his degree in history or carribean studies

no thanks

I counter your gross generalization with another one. Making college free would open the floodgates to let in poor students who will work hard to use their education to get a better life for their themselves and their families. They're more deserving than some of the entitled, already rich who dont have much to gain from a college education

Also there's already a selection process which will probably get even more stringent with more students able to apply so I would argue the "college experience" would become even better.

In a fair and social system you would receive help for the first 20 years of your life, work for society for 40 years and receive help again in the last 20 years of your life. You can't make a system more gair than that. However the truth is America is not fair. So you habe wageslaves working their entire lifes and uper class people not working a single day in their life

It's not about politics in general it's about the fact that your point of view is that rusted, lincoln will get shot any second.

You really don't know how free education works, do you?

We've had that in the Nordics for years. It doesn't mean any loser can just waltz right in. What it means is that there are entrance exams, of varying kinds, requiring extensive reading and research to prove that you have what it takes to make do.

In addition to these entrance exams, you're required to provide your work history, and your grades from elementary school. All of that is put together, and those that fared best are granted entrance.

But once you DO get in, you don't actually have to pay for the education. And as long as you keep committing and passing a set bare minimum amount of courses each half year, you get to stay until you're done.

So what I'm trying to say, is that free education doesn't mean free access to animals and delinquents. It just literally means that those with the ability and motivation, can get an education and the top level job that follows, even if they happened to grow up in a poor family.

It's no surprise that something like this has a massive effect on how children are raised in general. Look at Finland for instance. Used to be just 1% rich and a bunch of poor grunts no more than a hundred years ago. When free education was implemented, all the families WANTED their children to go to school, and raised them to do it, because they wanted their children to have a better life than they ever did.

So the children got education, and today, some decades later, the Finns have among the highest average educations on the whole planet.

>yfw you get your nice math education in russia not paying a ruble for it and instead earn money for being a good student
>this rare moment when you're happy you're in russia

The more money the government makes available to students, the more tuition increases, and the more irrelevant the degrees and courses become. Want to study you favorite comic book character for a class? Want to make up your own degree?

Yeah my Russian teacher told me that's how they do higher education over there. It won't work in the US because over half of high school students are mindless drones who can't think.

In Neo-Soviet Russia, sense makes you

Because the person who could cure cancer is smart enough to get a scholarship. If the person who is supposed to cure cancer isn't intelligent enough to get a scholarship then the inteligence required is low enough for others to discover the cure.

This is mostly due to Monsanto chems altering the human genome, and not because kids deliberately programmed to mindlessly follow orders starting at 4-5.

You don't know how the United States works, do you?

Entrance exams are racist. They do nothing to promote diversity, which is what the colleges want. No matter that they accepted someone who will in all likelihood drop out before completing his degree.

Why lower the bar? in Germany uni is free and the bar is set pretty good. You justn have to kick out the losers. Isn't it already normal in America to kick out the losers after they've failed a few tests?

My state has provided free tuition for longer than I've been alive. People in other states could get scholarships to go to school, and most could get a free education if they were less obsessed with prestige.

What?

>implying cancer hasn't already been cured

Because any and all assistance to the poor would go to the melanin-enhanced, which basically disables my empathy glands

:^)

Cancer is a failure of the immune system. It suppose to detect rogue cells and kill it. But someone how cancer cells learn to defeat this protocol. The surest way for a real cancer cure is to boost the immune system or use intelligent nanobots that enter bloodstream and seek out cancerous cells with the aid of a massive supercomputer coordinating the attack. I truly believe research in nanotech is the best pathway to curing 90% of human diseases

First, there is no singular "cure" for cancer. There are numerous different types of cancers, and thus numerous different means of therapeutic intervention.

That said, nothing is free. Universities are expensive to run: professors need be paid; administrators need to be paid; buildings and facilities need to be maintained; etc., etc.

This here. Making ed free doesn't mean you'll let anyone in. A well made system will have exams and interviews for college, and would put more value into "menial" careers requiring to learn a certain amount of skill through aprenticeship for example. Such careers have a rendency of being viewed as "low-class" when not only are they required for the world to go round but can often make a better living than some bullshit degrees. This coupled with earlier orientation and more meaningful high school degrees would incidently make college degrees more of a big deal and save those not fit or willing to get a degree time and money wasted on studies that do not suit them. Of course perfect is impossible and injustice would remain in the form of private cram schools and the likes (which could arguably be countered by more intense high school programs not leaving time for them but that would lead to problems for obvious reasons). Btw I've finished my first year in the high level math and physics course in France and my tuition was... 60€. No grant, same for all who go through said course. Don't get jealous freedom folk

Because it's not "free", it's paid by my income taxes and most people (even liberals) don't trust the government to not fuck it up. Already look at how our subsidized student loan program has driven up tuition.

>Making ed free doesn't mean you'll let anyone in.

Yes it does. It's basic economics: if each student's tuition is paid by the state then the college has a huge incentive to admit anyone and everyone. This is the entire point of making education "free": to make it accessible to everyone regardless of attainment level. More importantly if college is "free" the expectation from the public is that everyone will be able to attend, and if that is not the case then administrators are going to get replaced with ones that do.

>A well made system will have exams and interviews for college

A "well-made system" (in the context of bureaucracy) maximizes profit for student. If all fees are paid by some external entity (not the student), then the goal will be to maximize costs and grow the pool of students as large as possible.

Remember: academic organizations are made up of fallible people. If you give them the tools to abuse their position they absolutely will.

>maximizes profit for student

*profit per student

>We've had that in the Nordics for years.

Stop. European social democracy is not applicable to the US. Sweden has a population of about ~10 million, on par with North Carolina. America is a country of ~320 million people across 50 distinct and unique states, each with their own Department of Education and College network. It's taken 50 years just to standardize K12 education and it only came about because everyone wants to strip teachers unions of their power. Making college "free" across the entire country would be a new money pit, most of which would be burned in the hopeless tire fire that is the South. It would also make colleges even lower quality as they would have a guaranteed source of income.

>In addition to these entrance exams, you're required to provide your work history, and your grades from elementary school. All of that is put together, and those that fared best are granted entrance.

And this is not how things work in the US. Colleges compute your score based on GPA and SAT scores, perhaps factoring in your essay (if applicable) and your race. It is a completely different system and will not change due to the No Child Left Behind Act (which mandates standardized testing and ties it into fed DoE funding) and the Common Core (common cirricula standards).

Affirmative action. It's cancer. Admitting under-qualified student and causing discrimination for qualified student that fall into the categories of "minority". America needs to stop that bullshit. Thank me later.

>A well made system

Yeah, the problem is this is the United States. We're not known for implementing good systems.

AA students aren't underqualified, it's just that white and asian students are held to a higher standard to offset their race. Also not going to stop anytime soon, as the SCOTUS rejected a challenge to it earlier this year (Fisher v. University of Texas, 4-3 majority decision). Of course, it's easy to get around it by not stating your race on college applications. But nobody does that.

Point is, it's a variable and one which won't be going away. Same for everything else I listed. The US is not europe and european methods of doing things will not work here.

Assuming motherfuckers are male is heteronormative you shitlord