Tfw you're writing a fantasy story and the concept of Gods, fate and destiny seriously trigger your atheistic beliefs

>tfw you're writing a fantasy story and the concept of Gods, fate and destiny seriously trigger your atheistic beliefs

What do Veeky Forums? How do I get over my autism? I've been stuck for weeks on writing the mythology behind my story.

Secular fantasy sounds retarded.

Nice quads. It's your fantasy world, it doesn't have to be theistic if you don't want it to be.

Or you can just half-ass some vaguely pagan nonsense.

Timely reminder that no story has ever benefitted from having correct prophecies.

Write something else if it inhibits your writing. If you continue, it's just going to come off as insincere and insulting. Later in your life you may want to revisit the idea

Make them the final bosses, obviously.

>atheistic beliefs

K bud.

Why can't your character disprove all this shit?

Stop being a mindless atheist.

>stop being a mindless athiest
>instead learn to never question an inconsistent system of beliefs written about heatstroke induced visions
Kaka

t. moron that knows nothing of any religion but claims to because 'm'dora increases my intelligence by 20 points!'

you will spend your entire life trying to negotiate you're own hyperemotional tendency for overcorrection and never have a calm and productive discussion with a person whom you respect despite having differing beliefs

I suggest you study different subjects and age about 5 years: essentially, become more intelligent. As you do so and mature, you will come to realize that atheists are morons. Spend a couple years researching Christianity at this point.

Now, you'll no longer be an idiot and you'll be ready to write a book.

think long and hard about whether fantasy is possible from the perspective of a materialist

can there be enchantment to a man who rules out all possibility of magic? can there be sublime and imminent mystery to a man who insists on probabilities and facts? can Mr. Thomas Gradgrind write a fairy tale?

the best writers of fantasy have so often been Christians because Christianity holds the one perspective which not only makes fantasy possible but inevitable: it acknowledges the truth of mysteries. The incarnation, the trinity, heaven and hell, the fall of the angels, the fall of Adam, the Mosaic covenant, etc, etc—the Christian sees the world as not just a collection of accidents but as the setting and the matter of a great story endlessly retold.

The atheist can want (through pure caprice) to hear a story about something that happened in the world, but he cannot think that the world and the story are one; mere matter cannot mean anything. The shape of a fantasy world, its history, etc, can be "interesting" but it cannot be significant in itself. How can an atheist write fantasy at all?

"And our hero—though I should say our protagonist, for what matters a hero?—came then to the foot of the mountain sacred to Olam, which of course is just a mountain, but our fellow doesn't know that, and there is something poetical about the idea of Olam, who was a lark as well as a warrior (I think this an inconsistency perhaps resulting from the amalgamation of two different Olams). Olam features in a handful of entertaining fables which may have seemed to explain many yet-not-understood features of natural weather to the ignorant inhabitants of a few nearby villages, whose stories are approximately the same as you find in any other unremarkable village in the world. It's perhaps a shame that there is no such thing as an Olam, but in any case, our man comes to the foot of this mountain, and kneels, and fancies he is filled with holy reverence—the idiot! He was seized with absolute admiration of absolutely nothing, an elusive figment from a faulty brain. No spirits watched as he went through his sacramental motions, only the chill air was witness, the air chill and mute."

You're writing fantasy

The entire point is that it isn't real

What's the problem?

>but he cannot think that the world and the story are one; mere matter cannot mean anything.
I don't think that's related to atheism but ... oh pee's autism. As double fedora "lol nothing matters, we're just bunch of atoms and love is just an electrochemical reaction" type of atheist I never had any trouble immersing myself into a semi consistent mythology, and like the Genesis part of the bible because of them; that shit is fucking fun in itself, and offer story telling possibilities our world doesn't and should be embraced. Bunch of spirituality crap from east Asia offers many cool devices for a story as well.

Getting triggered by the stuff just because you have different beliefs is just ... irrational and misses that it's all fiction either way.

>the Christian sees the world as not just a collection of accidents but as the setting and the matter of a great story endlessly retold
Are simply essential for story telling that reaches most people. Lack of reason and the randomness of the real world is surely part why people try to escape into a fantasy where our actions matter and there is a bigger meaning. Besides something like positive coincidences are toxin to the readers suspense.

>You either don't believe in God or you are blind!

Mindless atheist means that you are a fedoralord who thinks the concept of a god not existing is important enough to get trigged when people say you're wrong.

If you're op, and you are too autistic to understand that you literally are writing fantasy, and you believe religion is also fantasy, you are just being a euphoric faggot, and I doubt your writing is any good.

Read some books to cure your autism and try again.

there is a severe absence of logic in this post

>Mindless atheist means that you are a fedoralord who thinks the concept of a god not existing is important enough to get trigged when people say you're wrong.

triggered? I'd say it's more like: I acknowledge that good sense leads a man inevitably to conclude that there is too little reason to believe in a God to justify the many sacrifices we make for religion: sacrifices of our time, our principles, our free inquiry which we ought all to make as intelligent individuals. I think the "concept" of "a God not existing" (I would rather call it my concept of "withholding belief where evidence is lacking", as I have no clear image of what a God-Not-Existing would look like) is far less important to me than the urgency of the concrete: decisions that must be made, facts that cannot be avoided. I urge the importance of atheism not because it's important for God not to exist, but because it's important not to intrude religious conjecture in the realm of practical decision-making, which really does affect all humanity.

>If you're op, and you are too autistic to understand that you literally are writing fantasy, and you believe religion is also fantasy
if you can't see the difference, I pity you. I am not writing a book meant to be taken as historical truth or as philosophical truth. I want to write a book of purely fictional fantasy about a world whose properties one can know or not know and be no less the wise for it, because it is avowedly not about the world we live in. The Bible is not problematic because it is fantasy, but because it is dishonest about the fact that it is fantasy.

>you are just being a euphoric faggot, and I doubt your writing is any good.
You haven't even read my writing so how would you know? hint: it's not the same as my Veeky Forums posting style

>Read some books to cure your autism and try again.
I have autism do I? Would you care to explain how you came to that conclusion? Funny how you types will plead that you are not bigots, and that it's really you who are misunderstood and judged, but if anybody should happen to say "I'm an atheist" you will muster every bit of bile you can spit at us to discredit our character. I suppose it's too hard to combat the atheist's IDEAS so instead you are trying desperately to make it taboo to be an atheist: "that guy doesn't believe in God, what a tryhard socially awkward faggot". Do you have any idea how small-minded and arrogant it makes you look to behave thus? It was you idiot Christians who put on fedoras for staged photos to attach to fake social media profiles in your many attempts to get the lie viral, to poison the well against anyone who dared to question your religion's intellectual character openly.

Whether God exists or not I don't give a shit, but I'd like to be able to say that it's unlikely based on the evidence and not have to face you hick pieces of shit and your shamelessly dishonest rhetoric.

>user barely wrote 2 fucking sentences
>reply with this wall of text that nobody will read dissecting his tiny post

He's right; you do have autism.

Please b real, because if this isn't a troll it's Euphoric gold.

>Sacrifice
The early scientists were Christian men.
Plenty of scientists still are. You can believe in God without it effecting scientific advancement, because that's the nature of discovery.

Also, being a little bitch because not everyone believes what you believe is childish.

>Problematic.
Kek

>Purely fictional fantasy
Any book you would write would be purely fictional fantasy, I don't understand what you are crying about. If you don't want Christian influences or any other religions, just don't use them, think up your own origins. Shouldnt be hard for a fantasy writer.

>How would I know.

Because if it were any good you'd be writing it and not being autistic here on the 4.

The rest of what you wrote is judt astral projection.

Nobody gives a fuck what you believe. You are austisitc because you want other people to believe it like a middle aged soccer mom or a nosy Catholic. Its even worse because you pretend that this isn't your intention, and just like you claim the Bible to be you are facetious.

Science and faith can go well with each other, they don't have to go together at all though, and you can decide that as your own person.

Put your own spin on the Fantasy genre and don't conform. Build a world in which the gods are dead. That actually sounds like it might have the potential to be more interesting than a cookie-cutter piece of shit generic fantasy novel.

Hope this helps.

>You can believe in God without it effecting scientific advancement
Haha you bet. by the way you meant to say "affecting" but I like that statement as-is.

>Literally reads a wall of text responding to his wall of text.

>Checks the grammar error and rips into it

What about the rest of what I said.

What about what I said in the first place.

By the way fedora lord, I'm currently writing a fantasy novel where the main character finds ot that the gods don't really exist.

So I'm not some hick Christian you euphoric fuck.

Okay, let me pick out one of your counter-arguments and see if I can find a way to respond to it.

>>Problematic.
>Kek


Hmm.... How shall I refute this...

I already said what I wanted to say and I don't really want to go too deep into it but let me just say that yes those scientists were Christians but what if they hadn't been? I'm willing to admit that Christians might have been more rational than pagans, but let's be honest, the rapid explosion in learning which attends what we call the age of reason mostly corresponds to a decline in religiosity and the advance of deism, pantheism, etc. (as yet nobody knew how some mechanism could have created the complex systems of the known world, but now we do, and thus atheism has taken the place of deism/etc.).

Because scientists are generally specialists, many can be religious without it touching their ability to be rational in matters of science. But that doesn't mean science has never been held up by religious objections. Just look at how long it took for the theory of evolution to gain its rightful place in American science textbooks. And the main point is that the same spirit of inquiry which spurred on the advance of science mostly pointed to increasingly secular and even atheistic thinking in philosophers and poets.

"Science and faith" can work well together if you mean scientific inquiry in one field and religious feeling in another. But a genuinely scientific outlook and religion cannot work together whenever they both bear on the same question. Dogma distorts intellectual honesty. One cannot discover truths which tell against beliefs.

I have some little respect for the dogmatic Christian over someone like you because he can admit that belief is a matter of importance. It absolutely matters whether someone believes something which touches on matters of state, matters of morality, matters of education. "being a little bitch (by which you mean "giving a shit") because not everyone believes what you believe" is not childish but rather the most serious and grown-up attitude one can have about beliefs.

A. If not for Christians, the age of reason would not exist, and Christians were those who kept science alive!

B. There are Christians who believe that the big bang and other scientific facts were caused by god himself. You cannot say a god is impossible. it is literally irrelevant to the big bang. Science has been held up by war, fighting, women, disease, famine, and funding. Should you then go about and scream about how those are terrible too?

I'd like to remind you again that just shouting over and over that gods not real is dogmatic as well.

The argument "does god exist" solves nothing and benefits nobody.

It's as if you believe that athiests are all working together every day to advance the world while C Christians shit in the streets giggling. In reality atheists and Christians both advance the world, and many of them don't.

Belief is as important as an individual wants it to be. They can use it to provide themselves with goals and explanations for the world, it provides community and friendship. Exactly what atheists do too, because saying theirs not a god does absolutely dick. If only serves the purpose of making you feel smarter than you are. The manner in which you do it, "God isn't real and if you think he's real you are KEEPING HUMANITY DOWN!" is fucking childish.

I am embarrassed for you, this post is fucking awful

>A. If not for Christians, the age of reason would not exist, and Christians were those who kept science alive!

It is one thing to say "if not for Christians" and another entirely to say "if not for Christianity", for as you probably realize a man's religion is not always the whole man, and many men who call themselves Christians actually behave as though they are not.

I happen to think the age of reason could have happened without Christianity.

>I'd like to remind you again that just shouting over and over that gods not real is dogmatic as well.

I haven't shouted "God's not real", and it doesn't really matter whether I'm shouting or not but as it happens I'm actually typing these comments and not shouting them at my screen. But let's just say I WAS shouting. I was shouting that "there is not sufficient evidence to justify belief in God". This is evidently not the same thing as "God's not real". I might feel justified in shouting, "The Gospel of Mark is not a historically reliable text", for example, but this would not be to say that "God's not real", but rather that "the God which Mark attests may well be real, but this account is not sufficient to make that case."

As for whether this is dogmatic, I don't think it is. I do not think materialism is dogmatic; I do not think waiting on the evidence is dogmatic. What's my dogma? Nobody told me, "thou shalt follow the scientific method". I do not sweat to ensure that I keep in line with the commandment, "thou shalt have no gods". But I do think that there must be a reason for belief, and I don't think there is reason for belief in any of the gods dreamed up by the theists.

>The argument "does god exist" solves nothing and benefits nobody.

Again: neither the serious Christian nor the serious atheist would agree to this plainly stupid opinion. How can you possibly think that beliefs have no connection to human action? Do you think a man's religion is just a veneer over his subconscious motivations? I don't think self-flagellating monks and crusaders would have been what they were 'Christ or no Christ'. The argument "does God exist" only "solves nothing" because one half doesn't want to have an argument, end of. It benefits nobody because they cannot conceive any benefit to those who have been converted. As it happens, people ARE being converted to atheism by the useless arguments that solve nothing, and maybe that will bring hell on earth or maybe it will be an improvement, but it's not nothing.

>It's as if you believe that athiests are all working together every day to advance the world while C Christians shit in the streets giggling.

I never said this, never implied this, etc. Fuck off.

>The age of reason could have happened without Christianity?
How?
>I didn't shout I TYPED CD
>BAZINGA

You keep trying to convince me there isnt any evidence god exists, I already understand this.

Faith is called faith because it is a belief, like you believing that the age of reason could have happened without Christianity helping it along, to which their is no evidence.

Here's the dogma you preach vs Christian dogma

You: God is not real and those who believe in him halt weaken human progress.
Christians: God is real and if you do not accept him your soul will not be saved and you will go to hell.

You are imposing a negative connotation towards people who don't agree with you, not on any fact or merit, but due to what you believe, because the religious work towards scientific advancement all the time.

>If you get into a retarded argument over gods existence that is Important and benifits people.

It solved nothing. Getting into a Veeky Forums beef because someone laughed at your euphoria only looks stupid. People convert to Christianity and live better lives, people are atheists and live thier lives, people leave the church and become non religous and live better lives. If its important to you, its important to you. People from all of these ways of life contribute to the world just as proactively and profoundly.

I can now solidly tell that you are a vain individual who sees this argument as identity rather than objective. It's about how you feel its important rather than its actual importance.

What's important is ensuring that all people have access to all beliefs and non beliefs without authoritarian cocksuckers like you trying to get them to agree with you.

>What's important is ensuring that all people have access to all beliefs and non beliefs without authoritarian cocksuckers like you trying to get them to agree with you.

telling people my opinion isn't "authoritarian". do we criticize political writers because it's authoritarian to be partisan?

the authoritarian says not only that everyone should believe what he believes, but that this desirable result can and should be achieved by coercing people to profess and practice what he believes. This is so completely fucking different from the idea that "others should believe what I believe" that I can't believe anyone could be stupid enough to conflate the two. It's like saying a man is a torturer because he believes the world would be better if criminals would confess their crimes.

>tfw youre writing fiction and the fiction seriously triggers your atheistic beliefs

Authoritarian: favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.

When you try to say that people would be better off believing what you believe, rather than freely believing what they wish, that is authoritarian.

You have given me a false equivalency.

Read the definition. Read it again. Favoring or enforcing. OR. You dont have to beat women and tell them you are above them to be a misogynist.

People deserve to believe freely and Christians and Atheists like you who disagree can suck my fucking cock.

>99999neinnein999
Chekke

>I'm writing fantasy but fantasy triggers me

Should probably switch genre then

And you see there. They can suck my fucking cock , as in, they can do what they want and fuck off, as in I don't need them to believe what I believe.

do an autistic one about a spaceman who lands on the pagan planet and quips to them all how misguided and foolish they are

Kill yourself.

2. You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.

>tfw you're writing magic realism/sci fi and the futuristic/supernatural shit triggers you
I wish I was kidding.

The Golden Compass did secular fantasy. Why dont you just go read that.

what you don't realize is that when you strip all the evil associations which attend on authoritarian government you're left with a word that carries far less force. In the mildest sense of "desiring obedience to an authority" authoritarianism is quite tame, especially when that authority is "the truth"

anybody who doesn't want to convert the world to his religion or lack thereof, either isn't confident of his own claims to being right or doesn't think other human beings deserve to know the truth.

Every religion fights to gain converts. This is the outward expression of the idea that the world would be better if everyone knew the good news. But that's not only true of religions: it's true of journalists, essayists, rhetors, everyone who has ever tried to convince the public of some point. The truth is not diverse and not subjective. Anyone who has seen it wants it to be seen by all. My worst sin in trying to achieve this has been to argue on an image board. For that I'm an authoritarian? Sophistry!

Nice quads but you need laser brain surgery to get rid of your autism.

Gods dont hae to be supernatural dumpass

in this thread, I am euphoric...