Why are Italians so insufferable and dogmatic when it comes to cooking?

Why are Italians so insufferable and dogmatic when it comes to cooking?

They will sperg out and throw an autistic tantrum if you cook their dish slightly differently to their great, great, great Grandmothers recipe. They don't just act like it's unauthentic but they insist that it's bad even though they have never tried it.

>MAMA MIA, NO NO NO You don'ta put the cheese witha the fish-a
cream cheese and salmon goes great together, so does cheese and tuna

>you cook-a the pasta AL-DENTE that is the way of my MAMA
nobody does this because nobody likes tough, sticky pasta stuck to the roof of their mouth

>in ITALIA my poor grandmama-a could not afford-a bacon, TRUE carbonara uses pigs-a anuso
People found out that using bacon and cream makes a far tastier dish.

So why are Italians so stubborn that they continue to eat shit despite there being better and more modern alternatives. French people don't sperg out whenever someone uses chicken instead of rooster meat for their coq au vin.

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>MAMA MIA, NO NO NO You don'ta put the cheese witha the fish-a
Quality cheese mixed with quality fish means you can't taste the fish anymore. If you wanna put american cheese on your tuna sandwich nobody gives a shit but if you put a decent cheese next to a seabass or halibut you won't notice the fish if at all. It's common sense user

>you cook-a the pasta AL-DENTE that is the way of my MAMA
I don't see how you could argue with this. I don't know anyone that likes mushy starch with few exceptions

>in ITALIA my poor grandmama-a could not afford-a bacon, TRUE carbonara uses pigs-a anuso
American carbonara is not the same as classic carbonara. I don't think anyone is arguing taste. If I say I'm making trout almondine and use pecans instead of almonds it really isn't trout almondine anymore.

user I don't think you actually thought about anything you typed here.

You're another dogmatic wop asshole who thinks anything that is authentic is automatically better.

You fucking euro-beaner. I'm pretty sure Europeans consider you European Mexicans. I hope they do. I do.

>tough, sticky pasta stuck to the roof of their mouth
What.

Well, looks like this thread has been liked to the IIDF forums.

I like this thread

Italians are just stubborn, its their nature

Don't forget having a hairy back and speaking loud in public places. That is also their nature.

They are great to rape and i like their desserts

>I get my information about the world from films and television

>I voted for Trump

How many italians do you know, OP? And not from new Jersey mmkay?

Not an argument.

so its true then

I only know this subhuman sicillian trash family who lives down the way. They actually put mushrooms in their chicken noodle florentini casserole. That is not mama mia

Not Italian, but i like AL DENTE

I really hate when 3rd generation Italians in America only pronounce food names in Italian

I agree with you, but al dente pasta is usually desirable, and carbonara is definitely better with pancetta and with minimal cream if you must use some.

Your idea of what al dente means is incorrect. If the pasta is sticking to the roof of your mouth it's just raw.

Yeah, I did vote for trump.

Just wait until he takes office and sends your Grandmother back to Mexico.

I only get butthurt when places say they're authentic, but are some weird Americanized version of Italian food.

And usually incorrectly anyway

>I have not had much interaction with Italian people and most of my opinions are formed from watching tv.
Faggot.

I don't watch TV. It's not 1995, Grandpa.

My opinions of Italians are formed from having conversations with Italians on the internet.

Millennial detected.

>Am Italian
>Learn some simple recipes, they taste surprisingly good
>Ask grandma for a couple recipes
>They're dogshit and missing half the steps/ingredients to make it edible

Italians don't know shit about cooking if it's not some hole in the wall pizza joint

>>Am Italian

So American then?

>Italians don't know shit about cooking if it's not some hole in the wall pizza joint

>My opinions of Italians are formed from having conversations with Italians on the internet.

>Opinions formed on the internet

Just fucking gas this generation.

I CARRIED AN M-16

>mfw people put proshoot on the branzin and rigot on the ragoo
pass the gabagool

stop shouting, are you brazilian or something?

You rekt OP lmao

>Why are Italians

Cause they're 5th-8th in everything. Big among the small countries but small among the large ones. So food is all they got and they start silly fights with everyone insisting f.e. French cooking is 'disgusting'. Also, tiny dicks.

>wop
>back to Mexico

If you're going to shitpost, at least do so consistently. Furthermore, a civil discussion about cuisine would do more for your anger issues than circlejerks and (You)-baiting.

>f.e
What did he mean by this?

>Proshoot
Prosciutto?
>Branzin
No idea
>Rigot
Ricotta?
>Ragoo
Must be ragu
>gabagool
No idea

Since this is an anonymous imageboard I have no way to know that both of the posts I replied to were written by the same person so I will assume they were not.

For example

Gabagool is, shit you not, Capicola.

Wops legitimately pronounce it that way.

t. New Yorker who's seen dagos do this so often that they make fun of it themselves

Pretty sure branzin is bronzino, aka European seabass.

Can you guess what is manigott?

I really love that Americanized or localized pizza has spread pretty much worldwide, I try it one in every country I visit. I hope the eyetalians are assblasted.

Nah he's 1/32 Italian on his grandma's side so therefore Italian. You can tell cause he wears track suits, chains, and had a big Italian flag bumper sticker on his Firebird.

In English, "for example" is abbreviated "e.g." You can just ask Giada how to pronounce Italian foods correctly.
:^)

Then it's a shame I assumed you would be nice enough not to lash out at everyone who replies to you.

And regarding your OP, I agree that authenticity-obsessed autists are the bane of innovation in cooking, but please don't throw out the baby with the bathwater by discarding centuries of cooking experience. Chefs make recipes not to dictate you, but to spare you from repeating all their previous mistakes.

>manigott
Mozzarella with the way this is going

Manicotti

t. wop that uses these terms

Ask me anything

Why would you call yourself an Italian if you can't pronounce the words or speak the language correctly?

It's not that we're insufferable and dogmatic, it's that you cannot cook and have shit taste

Because I was born in Italy.

Who the fuck calls a pineapple ananas?

gawd, that gif, so cringe.

Italy doesn't have ius soli

>american education

Pretty much everybody in the world aside from spics and burgers.

Everyone, except anglophones.

>throw an autistic tantrum if you cook their dish slightly differently to their great, great, great Grandmothers recipe.

I don't see how that's all that different from many other countries.

You mentioned that the French don't sperg out about chicken vs. rooster for coq au vin, but in my experience they do. Ever ask some different Frenchmen about what goes into a Cassoulet? There is no end to the debate. Many French don't use duck or goose legs in the dish, while someone from Aquitaine or Alsace will consider it a must-have.

Also, you ever talk to any Thais about their recipes? Just like you mentioned about the Italians, the only single "authentic" version is what someone's mother made. I've even seen some Thai friends get into some pretty serious arguments about this. Stuff like: "well, my mother's recipe is more traditional than your mother's because my mother is older". And then the reply: "oh yeah? well my mother was trained by so-and-so who was a cook to the royal prince"...and so on.

this. A friend of mine was in France once and he asked in french for a croissant with jam. Not just the cashier, the whole shop started loudly laughing at him because apparently "this shop only sells empty croissant, are you dumb? lololol"

>et wa la!

>I have a plebeian taste

OP

>my opinion of the world comes from shitposting in /pol/ and /int/

FTFY

You sound like an amerifat that is bitter about the fact that your country has no traditions to pass on other than plastic and HFCS.

From Italy here.
>Why are Italians so insufferable and dogmatic when it comes to cooking?
Like the Chinese, we so often see things being passed off as part of our culture or culinary history when it simply isn't and many get frustrated at being asked about it all the time, so they've become complete pricks about it. Not a smart move on their part, IMO.

>They don't just act like it's unauthentic but they insist that it's bad even though they have never tried it.
My mother and I once didn't speak for two years because I dared to make a sandwich with two ingredients she said "won't taste good together."
She wasn't the one who was going to eat it, so I don't get why she'd have given a shit. Kinda hard to give your parents the silent treatment for two years when you're 13 years old, but I did.
So I get what you're saying here. It's a problem.

>MAMA MIA, NO NO NO You don'ta put the cheese witha the fish-a
That's weird. Maybe it's just my region of Italy, but pasta with tinned tuna is a common dish. We add parmigiano to it.

>al dente is tough
This is a point of contention among Italians, too. We all disagree on what 'al dente' actually is. My brother and I like pasta a bit more toothsome than do my mother, sister and other brother. Dad doesn't care.

>carbonara has bacon and cream
The original, so far as I know, had [American] bacon but no cream. Liquid cream isn't common in Italy. Cooking cream, which is similar to sour cream (just not sour) is common, but not typically used in carbonara. Some add milk to it, though. We use guanciale/pancetta because bacon isn't common. Either way, do as you like.

>why do italians cling to tradition?
Our tradition get extensively bastardised abroad which makes us defensive about it at home. If you're not in Italy, we don't really care what you do so long as you don't piss on our legs yet tell us it's raining.

New Jersey is not in Italy, user.

Same thing with their shitty peasant 'za

>What are dialects
>Implying everyone speaks the same in Italy
I didn't understand a single thing in Sopranos though

>have Italian friend
>won't eat any italian dish that isn't made the exact way her nonna makes it
>Literally spits out my pasta, claiming it's bland and mushy
>Convince her I'm making it the way she likes
>Make her the same pasta I usually do
>Make it with cheap canned tomatos
>Convince her it's made with fresh heirloom tomatos
>Store-bought pasta
>Don't even salt the water
>She takes one bite
>"Oh my God, so good! Maybe you should learn from Nonna more often"
>Eats it up
>Watch, violently laughing on the inside
>Make sure she really enjoyed it
>Conduct multiple tests
>It's entirely placebo

>Finally tell her after months of us eating cheap shit
>Refuses to believe me
>Says she'd know, because of her refined Italian palate

>I assumed you would be nice

Go back to your hugbox, faggot.

I don't think it's so much Italians as it is people who genuinely don't know how to cook.

They have old recipes and worship these recipes and make it on occasions. The problem is they don't UNDERSTAND the recipes.

You see this with dumb ass american southerners or anyone making shit they ate when they were poor.

"This is how muh momma made it" or "this is how I learned to cook."

This is why they rage when things get changed.

That's a nice thing to say on the internet in front of thousands of people.

>nobody does this because nobody likes tough, sticky pasta stuck to the roof of their mouth

RETARD
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>caring about other people's opinions of you
>on an anonymous imageboard of all places

You have to go back.

Wow I could never see that punchline coming

>i'm 12 and i cringe at everything

italian here.
i believe that we get autistic about our traditional recipes for many reasons, but mainly because most of those recipes have a very specific historical background. all the most famous recipes were invented in times of deep poverty, when people only had access to a very small amount of ingredients.
take carbonara as an example: guanciale (which is cut off the pork's cheeks) was cheaper than any other pork cut, and was considered "waste" by rich folks; pecorino was the only type of cheese available to most people cause goat milk cheese was cheaper than cow milk cheese (and goats where cheaper than cows in general).
in tuscany they make "fake ragù", which involves cooking vegetables in a certain way so that it ends up tasting like tomato meat sauce, even though there's no meat at all (meat was expensive).
so cooking recipes in any other way than the traditional way feels like some sort of disrespect to our culture and history. and all this leads to another point: since most italian recipes are simple in terms of ingredients involved (for the reasons i explained above), making variations or adding ingredients that are not originally in the recipe is considered useless. the less ingredients you have, the harder it is to make something good out of them, because you have less room for mistakes. all the traditional recipes were created to get the most out of those few ingredients, to make the dish taste "richer" than it actually is. the perfect example is aglio, olio e peperoncino (garlic, oil and chili pepper): subject+verb+object, sweet (garlic) + bitter/acidic (oil) + spicy (pepper), everything is balanced, you don't need to add anything else.
that's why there can't be such thing as an "american carbonara": if you add cream, it's not a carbonara, it's something else. a german shepherd and a chihuahua are both dogs, then why do we use different names for them? because they have different features.
"if my grandmother had wheels, she would have been a bike".

>I voted for Hillary

And that's even assuming you're old enough. Kill yourself.

Italians are practically incompetent at everything else in life. It's the one thing they don't suck at, so they will defend it to da tooth.

I am talking about Italians, not Italian-Americans you're alright, mostly.

The Frenchies didn't sperg out and weren't afraid of going against tradition and look what's happened to them now.

Italy is shit too but not France-bad.

I'm not from your joke of a country thank God.

manigott goes with mudzarel

they probably just laughing at him for being american

How's your GDP? Your military? Your average household income? How much influence do you have in the UN? Any flags on the moon? Come on, Big Boy. If America is such a joke and your country is so much more superior, then clearly you won't be afraid of telling me where you're from.

And Asians

Well, they're pretty autistic - Jamie Oliveoil once claimed that all Italians secretly wants every dish prepared the way their mother did it. And besides, they don't have much else to be proud of.

However:

>make carbonara with cream for years
>switch out to a traditional recipe with just eggs and parmesan
>it's way better

So I dunno, OP.

The French are the same way. It's because they're horrified at the stupid shit you do in the kitchen because no one taught you any better.

Christ can you fuckheads not go one second without bringing /pol/shit into every board?
Why are people discussing the cancer that is US politics on a fucking anime site cooking hobby board.

Italy has ius soli for estranged children.
t. a wop

That's /int/ actually. You're welcome my new buddy.

>eating at restaraunt
>someone says "this pasta is al dente"
>they seem to be enjoying the pasta
>so if the pasta is good, and the pasta is al dente, al dente is good
>start saying everything i like is "al dente"
>at a restaraunt 3 days later
>eating steak
>waitress asks how the steak is
>she's super hot
>i manage to shrivel out "i--it's AL DENTE, m-my beautiful"
>she looks at me like i have 3 heads
>she slowly backs away
>not gonna drown in al dente pussy tonight

I don't know.
Bong here, I went on holiday to italy, stayed in venice, verona and Sermioni on lake garda.

The italian food was exactly the same as the italian food in the same shitty northern bong town I live in.
Before you accuse me of only eating in cheap shitholes, these were largely 20 euro plus per course, and the restaurants were full of native italians. Anyone actually claiming that "authentic" italian food is something special is memeing hard.

America makes everything better

It's only cancer to you because our politics control yours :^)

>carbonara without cream
I get that, the flavor is nicer and much stronger. But Italians won't stop there, they'll deride you for not using pecorino even though Parmesan is a fine substitute, or for using delicious pancetta instead of guanciale.

They will even insist that you let the egg cook lightly with the heat of the pasta, even though a creamy consistency without cream (one of the main points of the dish) can be achieved more effectively with proper heat control and enough pasta water, as demonstrated by this guy: youtu.be/UsmjAGouZZA

The thing is they're traditionalists to the point that they cease to care about the quality of the dish. Idiots can say shit like this all they like, but there are talented chefs around the world who would disagree with the way Italians do things. They can't even agree with themselves, when people from different regions follow different recipes, each claiming theirs is the original and best recipe and the slightest deviation is sacrilege.

God i hate italians.

dont you guys as well?

Me and my roommate go to try a pizza place near our new apartment. It's traditional Italian. I'm impressed.
My roommate mentions that he went on a trip to Italy with his class in high school, and they got served deep dish.. and because of that, that's what he thought traditional Italian was. Motherfucking 'go 'za.

Explain.

And how is your actual quality of life?

HAHAHAHA REKTERONI LITRALLY DISTROY'D LOOOOL

Americans are repulsive, fat, miserable creatures and their only culture is impulse buying.
They're about 40% non-white, 40% clinically obese, all of their cuisine is just Slightly altered versions of European food, often prepared so it's easier and quicker to cook because they are impatient and lazy.
I don't blame them for wanting fast food , the Average American worker spends 90% of their life working with almost no holiday so they have to prepare their food quickly which is why fast food chains are so popular there. Mom can't afford to leave work early and prepare her family a meal so she picks up Taco Bell after her 10 hour shift.

Honestly, I'd rather be dead than American.

>GDP
the US is either not in the top 10 or barely in it by by the measure of any respected finance organization.
>military
not a reasonable metric for gauging the quality of a country
>average household income
the US is sixth, so basically in the middle as far as highly developed countries go. Anyway "average" is a vague notion and this metric does not measure how many people are well off in a reliable way.
>influence in the UN
China, a known garbage heap, has plenty.
>flags on the moon
congratulations, you conquered a small section of a worthless empty rock.

>explain

You really expect an imbecilic /pol/tard to rationally explain something? Why do you think the word of the year was "xenophobia?" What part of that word doesn't explain 40% of the posts on Veeky Forums and 99% of the posts on /pol/?

Bottomline, as an amerifat, when I walk out my front door after unlocking 3 deadbolts, I have to be continually expecting a gun firefight will erupt around me. If I'm part of the overwhelming statistics and caught up in it, and I don't have the money to pay for insurance, they'll stop the bleeding, say take 2 aspirin and tell me to call them when I'm almost dead.

>They are great to rape
lmfao