can someone help me with this one. is dostoevsky completely roasting the author? i thought some of the guy's points about acting irrationally to prove existence made sense... is the reader supposed to feel that the author is doing exactly what he says everyone else is doing - justifying his actions through conscious reasoning? just that the author doesn't recognize the conscious reasoning in himself because his conscious reasoning is the rejection of conscious reasoning? or did i totally miss some ideas?
also, general underground and dostoevsky discussion thread
He is roasting him, but agreeing with some of his points doesn't make you "him." It's the overall portrait that matters.
Alone (an edgy blogger, in case you aren't familiar) had the best metric. If your girlfriend reads the story and says it reminds her of you, you're in trouble.
Cameron Bailey
>I bet they didn't even read don quixote in its native language As a spic, i must accept that reading the original manuscript is fucking impossible. Any english speaker can read Shakespeare on old english, but you have to study old spanish for years to understand the original version.
Adrian Thompson
>but agreeing with some of his points doesn't make you "him."
Exactly. He is more roasting his attitude towards those ideas, for me.
Aaron Allen
>Shakespeare on old english no, user. not even if you said Chaucer. old english is like Beowulf in the original
old english to modern english is much harder than the difference between modern Castilian and Don Quixote. Don Quixote's probably closer to reading something after Chaucer.
Josiah Long
Does the Underground Man come off to anyone else as being emotionally stunted? He sounds like a 16 year old yet he's 40 something.
Nathaniel Foster
I identified with about half of the Underground Bro's personality, and not only am I not ashamed, I'm proud of it. It makes me feel romantic and literary.
Kayden Smith
I don't undetstand the association between certain forms of thinking and age. Why is nihilism, just as an example, considered edgy and childish?
Luis Perez
Because "maturity" these days just translates to "accepting the status quo and shutting the fuck up."
Elijah Torres
Shakespeare was technically modern English (albeit with a lot of archaic idioms which make it less accessible). Interesting point overall tho
Jack Gomez
i've started this book a few times in my life and always end up stopping a few pages in. the narrator is just so unbearable to me with all the "and now dear reader, i must tell you ____"
and this post is why nhilism is associated with edgy underages
Charles Fisher
>my moccasins are cutting into my feet
>not owning comfy full grain leather moccasins
Adrian Cooper
TLP is great
Michael Garcia
The difference being the underground man would have felt the same pride, then felt ashamed for being proud of something so stupid
Angel Robinson
I think it's worse to see yourself as the man who invites himself to a group of friends but is the one who no one wants around; who doesn't pay his fair share; who can't get a woman and has to pay to have a wench listen to his problems; who can't see how well his life of relative freedom is compared to hers
The underground man, in relation to society, is a degenerate waste
William Baker
It's a reaction to edgy nihilistic atheists in the 1800s; basically saying that no matter how much science/empiricism/rationality you put into man, he'll still wave the middle finger high and fuck it up for the sake of having the freedom to choose.
The crystal palace referenced in the book is basically Sam Harris.
Landon Harris
It's about a degenerate in every one of us, and in FD himself. It's hilarious, yet also very depressing, kind of like that anecdote Svidrigailov tells Raskolnikov. Ultimately, it's about a little Svidrigailov (or Karamozovs' father) in every one of us, from whom we have to run as fast as we can.
William Kelly
That's just how males are. Boys will be boys, as they say.
Christopher Morales
>that anecdote Svidrigailov tells Raskolnikov Remind me, what was this again?
What kind of Veeky Forums retardation is this? Reminds me of the Redwing boot shits who don't take care of their leather boots because "muh patina"
Noah Thompson
don't remember that either
Jaxson Stewart
I'm reading this and I'm almost done with the "Underground" part, but I'm not sure I'm "getting" it? I feel like I entered a university lecture hall mid-semester in an unnamed course and the professor is just rambling and I have no idea what's going on. It's hard to pay attention at times. I'm gonna finish the book but am I missing some perspective I'm supposed to have? It's my first Dostoevsky book (and book in general, haven't read in ages).
Evan Thompson
The first third of the book is actually semi-inane psycho-babble. Then the narrator unwillingly starts to tell actual stories from his life and book completely changes gears. You should finish it, bro. It is not a long read but I loved it.