What does Veeky Forums think about legalizing drugs like marijuana?

What does Veeky Forums think about legalizing drugs like marijuana?

1. We are not a monolith
2. I say legalize it, and allow employers to test for whatever drugs they want.

legalize all the way

Just realize it, and legalize it

I'm all for legalising all drugs, as long as all welfare and government services are eliminated.

I'm fine with people fucking up their own lives. But I'm not going to pay to help them when the shit hits the fan.

>I'm all for legalising all drugs, as long as all welfare and government services are eliminated.

This is impossible. As long as any form of welfare exists, destitute junkies will make use of them. Remove welfare altogether and people everywhere lose their shit and turn the country into Mad Max.
The recourse then is to apply sharp taxation of drugs and derivatives (Bongs, etc.), but that will only stimulate the creation of a sprawling black market. Considering we already have one operating at full strenght and just outside the reach of the law, any ideas that stimulate the black markets is unplausible.
Either do legalize it completely as is or do not, there is hardly a middle ground.

or you can do what the phillipines is current doing very successfully, invite the drug addicts into health programs and kill the lowlifes who refuse

>but that will only stimulate the creation of a sprawling black market.
No. The rewards from smuggling to avoid taxes are much smaller than the current black market for drugs. Legalizing would cut down on it massively.

The rewards will drop, yes, but so will the risk, wich will somewhat even it out.
Besides, there is already an existing structure for the illegal drug markets. It's not like dealers will just retire from the trade and become Walmart cashiers when we legalize narcotics. They will just keep doing what they always did, regardless of profit increases or decreases.

Seriously, it doesn't work that way.
Escobar estimated that to make the same profit from a few kilos of cocaine he needed to smuggle several dozens truckloads of contraband (he started off as a smuggler).
It's not surprising that bootleg alcohol production went down massively after prohibition.

>he needed to smuggle several dozens truckloads of contraband

Means he kept doing it anyway, right?
Seriously, man, it does
>work that way.
People who smuggle usually do so because it is the only job around. It is not a career choice, you know.
At most, if you legalized narcotics the illegal drug trade may sharply shrink (wishful thinking if you hope to tax it highly enough to offset externalities), but it is just too big to fall.
Did you know alcohol contraband is still going strong today? Diminishing profits doesn't make them stop and become law-abiding citizens, either they just choose another criminal sector of operations or they start smuggling even more agressively to turn a profit.

I personally think every drug should be legal. It's overstepping a lot of bounds to tell a people what they can and cannot do with their own bodies. There should be rehabilitation centers for people who do harsher stuff, and no welfare for those in the rehab centers. It would remove power from criminals getting money from drugs, and it would guarantee it's actually the drug you want when you buy drugs. Drug use would go down over time. It only makes it more appealing and mysterious when you're told you can't do something. What goes across a normal persons mind when they're told they can't do it, and there's no major health risk, is "must be pretty god damn fun then".

Nah not all drugs. Meth and heroin should never be legalized. I think marijuana should be legalized for sure. Maybe psychedelics too but then normies might abuse them until they get schizophrenia.

MARIJUANA IS NOT A DRUG

It is a NATUAL PLANT from Mother Gaia, given to us by Jesus Christ as a gift, and it is our divine responsibility to consume it. It is a SACRAMENT and it is SPIRITUAL MEDICINE and its prohibition is RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION and if you want to DEMONIZE something try demonizing ACTUAL HARD DRUGS like MUSHROOMS.

You can only get schizophrenia if already pre-disposed. Psychedelics just accelerate the process of you were already a schizo. Do you think prohibition works?

What are you doing user.
Also, everything is a "drug".

>Weed legalised in your country/state
>Gonna get me some sweet herbal essences
Well, I could go to the local specialist shop where I just have to show ID and all their products are held to the same standard as pharmaceutical products or I could attempt to find tyrone who may or may not have the product I seek, sources it from budda knows where and is held to no standard. Gee user, guess Tyrone it is

>Means he kept doing it anyway, right?

No, of course not. He switched immediately, do you know who he is?
Diminishing profits does weaken them, he had enough money to buy government officials, and build a fucking huge crime empire. Without the drug trade he would just have been a relatively small time smuggler.

I used to support it, but every person I've met that smokes marijuana has been an annoying degenerate cunt. Every. Single. One. They're all scumbags, so I don't really even care at this point. The war on drugs is ridiculous, but they scumbags that buy drugs are the ones at fault. Fuck them.

I think welfare recipients should be tested daily for alcohol and cable tv watching.

>degenerate
Hello, you must be lost.

Im not against this but even when not affecting youre motor skills marijuana could still be found through testing. Which could possibly cost you a job opportunity.

Alcohol although not tested for, but can also remain in the system after its effects have worn off, is seen as acceptable and would not cost you your job provided not under the influence while working.

Its harder, if not impossible afaik to test if someone is under the influence of marijuana in the same way as you can alcohol.

The war on drugs does more damage to lives, incentivises more crime and costs more money to prosecute than would legalizing all drugs and simply prosecuting whatever criminality results from the drug use directly (stealing for drug money, assaults while under the influence ect).

Objectively we would be better off just legalizing all drugs and focusing instead on social pressure to limit actual drug use. Ban on things like advertisements and propagandizing drug use in media (both music and film).

The thing is there are lots of non degenerate users, but they don't advertise the fact that they use it and you will likely never know.

>Meth and heroin should never be legalized

But if we didn't there will still be drug dealers who will sell heroin and meth for really high price and because drug addicts don't have all that money they will eventually steal it or do crime for it, if all drugs were legalized including heroin and meth there would be no drug dealers at all because all drug could be acquired legally and for a small price, so drug addicts don't need to do crime or steal money to get heroin or meth, plus it's not going to be polluted with all the dangerous chemicals drug dealers put in them.

tl;dr illegal drugs imply there will be drug dealers.

shit is legal bro. ;)

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