Box jellyfish can fucking hunt cooperatively and actively search for prey

Box jellyfish can fucking hunt cooperatively and actively search for prey

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HOW can it do this without a central nervous system ?

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When were you under the impression that a nervous system is required for survival?

not survival, but decision making and teamwork

Faggot OPs still cant post links or useful citations.

Clearly being in possession of a CNS isn't all it's cracked up to be.

The individual cells are the team, nerve cells can just pass sodium currents that help contract muscle, which is how animals with bones move.

been trying to link 5 papers on the subject for the past 10 minutes. half chan says no dice.

just google it you colossal faggot

i understand this. the question is regarding TEAMWORK and cognition.

They can see underwater structures, and actively patrol areas for kills / coordinate attacks, e.g. one around either side of a mangrove trunk in an estuary

how the fuck are they communicating and coordinating this?

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yeah or i can hunt around through fifty different pop-sci links and irrelevant jellyfish fan pages from 1992

Transistors in your pc also dont have CNS, and they work together to complete tasks. Colonies of jellyfish is a one meachanism where one jellyfish is a part of a system. You dont need anything complex to have some sort of organisasion, just an ability to answer somehow on the exact signal. Probably they translate that signals with their tentacles to one another, like neourons in our brain.

Here you go proffessor

Garm, A., Coates, M. M., Gad, R., Seymour, J., & Nilsson, D. E. (2007). The lens eyes of the box jellyfish Tripedalia cystophora and Chiropsalmus sp. are slow and color-blind. Journal of Comparative Physiology A, 193(5), 547-557.

Seymour, J. E., Carrette, T. J., & Sutherland, P. A. (2004). Do box jellyfish sleep at night?. Medical journal of Australia, 181(11/12), 706.

Adams, S. S., & Burbeck, S. (2012). Beyond the Octopus: From General Intelligence toward a Human-like Mind. In Theoretical Foundations of Artificial General Intelligence (pp. 49-65). Atlantis Press.

and loads more. when you google, you should click that little button up the top that says 'scholar'.

OP here, what you just said is not biologically true.

Yes Cnidarians are colonial organisms; one individual = one colony.

The 'hive mind' idea does not apply outside the body of one jellyfish - so how can two seperate colonies of colonial organisms coordinate a hunting effort ?

They doesnt send signals of any kind?

I'm sure they do, probably something to do with calcium or other ion gradients - my question is: how can something actively make decisions without a brain ?

what could be receiving signals, processing information, and acting accordingly ?

Then its just what i said, you dont need brain to process signals. You just get the signal and do stuff accordingly, like your body knows that you should move to the left when something happens (change in ion gradient or whatever) so body moves. Neourons in human brain dont have mind or brain on their own, but they send exact signals when they get exact signal. The same with jellys probably, just a programming in their body.

Its like a signal to the trigger, you got it, you change your state. And triggers dont have brains, they just give answers on some occuarences.

not one of those papers discusses box jelly fish pack hunting behavior, you collosal winged faggot

Hays, G. C., Bastian, T., Doyle, T. K., Fossette, S., Gleiss, A. C., Gravenor, M. B., ... & Sims, D. W. (2011). High activity and Lévy searches: jellyfish can search the water column like fish. Proceedings of the Royal Society of London B: Biological Sciences, rspb20110978.

Nilsson, D. E., Gislén, L., Coates, M. M., Skogh, C., & Garm, A. (2005). Advanced optics in a jellyfish eye. Nature, 435(7039), 201-205.

Garm, A., Oskarsson, M., & Nilsson, D. E. (2011). Box jellyfish use terrestrial visual cues for navigation. Current Biology, 21(9), 798-803.

Nilsson, D. E., Gislén, L., Coates, M. M., Skogh, C., & Garm, A. (2005). Advanced optics in a jellyfish eye. Nature, 435(7039), 201-205.

Actual examples of pack hunting is still being investigated. However the capacity for pack hunting is absolutely implied in the literature. Read past the abstract next time professor.

t. recently attended a lecture by one of the top cubozoan experts in the world

also, active hunting is clearly established.

clearly the capacity for pack hunting exists.

even patrolling an area has been documented.

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>half chan
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Hmm, could it be like a sensor that detect anomaly in a surrounding? Like if a trace of any substance that hints life is detected, these jellyfish automatically swarms towards it without needing to process the information. Like if you push a middle part of a loose string, the two ends come towards you and meet, doesnt mean they are concious of their decision

I see absolutely nothing in there that implies that box jellies hunt in packs.

>>patrolling an area
from "Box jellyfish use terrestrial visual cues for navigation," it appears 'patrolling an area' means heading for the edge of the water by the mangrove trees.

The authors of this paper demonstrate that box jellies can head toward the mangrove roots and that they have the necessary sensory apparatus to do so. Pic related. It appears they can tell how far away they are from the mangrove tree by the intensity of the light. More intense light = I'm not in mangrove trees = bad!

We also know they have four of these eyes and all of them point up at all times. So with two different intensity values on each side of the jelly they can have some idea of where the light is. Using these intensity values the jelly fish could steer away from higher intensities of light by pulsing more on the side with intensities.

This is much like the so called 'fear' braitenberg vehicle:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braitenberg_vehicle


However, I think with some simple tweaks one could make box-jellies that 'hunt' in 'packs.' So first we need our jellies to 'flash,' preferably with some signal we can discriminate from the environment like circularly polarized light and preferably with directional dependence. Second we need to modify the eyes such that they can detect and 'count' the number of flashes. Third we add some sort of wake or turbidity detector.

So we use the eyes which count flashes to turn the jelly in the direction of other jelly, we use the turbidity detector to sense the wake of other jellyfish and turn the jellyfish away from other jellies, preventing collision and nasty mangles of jellies. With this we have pretty much implemented the boids swarming algorithm:
cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/courses/soco/projects/2008-09/modeling-natural-systems/boids.html

>half chan
lol hey loser, how's the fight against gamergate and the sjws going

primary perception.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_perception_(paranormal).
works with nearly everything even isolated cells.

Same way the immune system chases after bacteria, chemotaxis.

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>how can something actively make decisions without a brain ?
It doesn't have to.

This might as well be emergent behaviour arising from swarming given some predefined patterns. Wiki has a bit about this and on species that hunt.

Parameters can be like attracting to prey and maintaining a distance to other jellyfish that is close enough to form a pack but not so close as to entangle.

This is really going to hurt your feelings

ted.com/talks/heather_barnett_what_humans_can_learn_from_semi_intelligent_slime_1?language=en

Well how did you manage to ask this question? There's your awnser.