Mom remembers reading gogol, pushkin, dostoevsky in elementary school as a girl in Moscow

So if your mom is so fucking well-educated why didn't your little brother read Gogol, Pushkin, and Dostoevsky in elementary school?

this is accurate

what's the point of reading lit like gogol or dostoevsky as a kid? you don't have life experience to understand what's in it.

this is accurate, the anglo lives in a more advanced state of capitalism

Americans are so good they can afford to waste on trash.

my senior english class was taught by a Vietnamese-symphasizing libertarian women who had us read the Alchemist (apparently because it was her favorite book), 1984 and Escape from Camp 14, roleplay as Edward Snowden for a class project, and then watch and debate the V for Vendetta film for our final exam.

>tfw Trump declares reading and literature a tool of the Islamic Marxists and has ever book except The Art of the Deal destroyed

My dad forced me to read Joyce and Shakespeare as a 3 year old. I now study particle physics at CERN. Don't know if it's related.

>watch and debate the V for Vendetta film
>not the superior comic
Fucking women, they ruin everything.

Rule 3, please go away underage brainwashed pseud.

Intelligent people don't actually believe this

tfw shillary declares all literature a tool of da prividledged white male capitalist patriarchy and has every book except, idk, the Transgender BLM Qur'an destroyed

John Green is shit, but what's wrong with 1984 and 451?

In fact, I'm voting Trump because I love Literature and Western civilization. Shakespeare, Orwell, Joyce. all gone... How could you trow it all all away? All we love is in risk of being destroyed, subsumed by the mongrel dark hordes of ignorance... the barbarians are at the gates... Trump is our Last Hope, Our Charles Martel, our Lionheart, our Robert E. Lee. If called to do so I shall lie down my life for Trump... For Europa!

I came to say this. You can technically read Ulysses at age 11, doesnt mean you'll get anything from it

Fuck off sam

>Our Charles Martel, our Lionheart, our Robert E. Lee
one of these things is not like the others...

Yes because our educational system has been doing such a wonderful job with the liberals in control for years now.

>wants to preserve 'high' culture
>votes for Trump
>ends comment saying he's ready to die for another continent

.

Did you also write this masterpiece?

Communism has nothing to do with liberalism you stupid lolbert.

Liberals is what they are, no one called them communists.

This isn't impressive, most old people who boasted about those type of books they had to read in elementary never really took it in, as it was beyond their comprehension at the time. Sure, you can read those books at a young age, but the chances are you wouldn't read them again, and later on say you already them as a child in a show of vanity.

In a way, it's probably better for younger people to start off with more pulpy work, then work their way up as they mature in age.

what is this life experience that I would need to be able to fully appreciate Gogol's say... the Nose?
At what age do you imagine I'd have acquired this much vaunted life experience necessary to appreciate literature?

Should I have frolicked in a field of daffodils or marvelled at the call of a lark before tackling pre victorian poetry? Perhaps I ought to go to my local zoo and wear an albatross around my neck

How many trips across 19th century industrial France do you think is appropriate before I start reading and truly understanding Zola ?

I've never actually been to spain, nor did I fight in the civil war, do you think I'll still be alright reading literature that takes place there ? Will I catch the deep symbolism that is ever present between the lines?

I was reading Donald by Browning last night, even though I never hiked in the Scottish highlands,never lived in a bothy, never was face to face with a stag, and never tumbled off a cliff of the aforementioned highlands? do you think I have enough life experience to be able to appreciate the poem?

etc.

Such an obtuse thing of you to say, honestly.

>what is this life experience that I would need to be able to fully appreciate Gogol's say... the Nose?
>what is this life experience
Reading Dostoevsky's Doppelganger book or Andersen's Shadow story, depending on how retarded you are.

What did Joyce say about nationalism? He wanted to fly by that net?

You've legit never read any of the authors you namedrop if they're your ideological justification for voting Trump.

Joyce kind of blurs the line. His attitude is definitely that of non serviam and he mocks Irish nationalists and catholicism in Portrait, essentially his autobiography, but Stephen also btfo of the "United States of Europe" and feminist ideologues even worse. There's that whole passage where he refuses to sign the leftist petition and his bros say "Marx is a cod". In Ivy Day in the Commitee Room his sympathies seem to lie with nationalists more than the rest of the politicians but nationalism is given a doomed, hopeless hue.

Life is unfair.

It was at 16yo in our school (Argentina). Feels good.

I mean 1984 isn't bad or anything... it's just kind of simple

That being said there's no way he's actually reading John Green in schools, is there?

In my day, I was class of 2011, only one or two of my english teachers weren't enormous plebs and whenever they had discretion to choose a book entirely out of their own choice it was a disaster.

Probably what happened here.

Orwell's a good author though. I don't understand the meme here.

>Trying to get working class kids to read Jane Eyre

Why did they even bother I wonder? Some of these kids couldn't handle auto shop, how were they supposed to summon the impulse control to plow through Jane Eyre? Even I think that book is boring.

Who knows what they're reading now, probably something much easier and 'diverse.' Maybe a comic book like Persepolis.

In Ulysses, Stephen quotes Marx and also takes on a more or less revolutionary stance on the nationalist question when confronted with Haynes, a Britisher.

Joyce himself was a socialist and actually had a few articles published in Sinn Fein papers.

His feelings on the Irish question were complex, but it's safe to say he was opposed to British imperialism and that, while he was in favor of an Irish Free State, did not want it to devolve into a patriotic, reactionary institution a la England.

But on no planet would Stephen Daedalus support Donald Trump lmao.

I graduated HS in 2015.

In my school (Canada), we read:

Grade 9: A Tale of Two Cities, The Chrysalids
Grade 10: Lolita, Brave New World
Grade 11: 1984 (my teacher was not present for half of this year so this was all we read)
Grade 12: The Trial, the Stranger, The Heart is a Lonely Hunter

The Russians are too long to actually study in a grade-school academic context. Same goes for Joyce.

I guess we could've fit more Hemingway in.

His comment on why Irish never persecuted the Jews is however startlingly relevant considering Europe and Muslims.

Class has nothing to do with it you middlebrow mediocrity.

homeschooled here, had to read

>paradise lost
>all the parts of the divine comedy
>the plague
>1984
>leviathan
>walden
fucking awful on every level
>homers epics
>federalist and anti federalist papers
to be fair only selections from both
>spirit of the law
>brave new world
>middlemarch
>the republic
>city of god
>confessions
>anabasis
>witness by Whittaker Chambers

probably more that i dont remember from high school.

I don't think you know poor people like I do. They're not like Good Will Hunting. School for them is one long desperate struggle to teach them to sit still and behave so that they can hold down jobs as adults.

The most pathetic thing was when some of last year's grads tried to sneak back onto school property and got chased off. You should have seen the pained, bewildered looks on their faces. The best years of their lives were over and they realized it all too late.

This, a million times over.

American reporting. From what I remember, teachers here are lazy, burnt out kid-wranglers. There's no joy in either teaching or learning. When you find a good teacher, and the one I found was an English teacher, you remember them forever. Most of the time teachers here just do the bare minimum, and only get excited or do more for the student when they seem especially gifted. If they they seem troubles or challenged, they write them off to another teacher who specializes in handling them. I know some kids need special attention, but it's sad. Kids don't want to learn, and the teachers don't really enjoy teaching. What do you expect of this country. It makes me sad.

>why Irish never persecuted the Jews
why

Your reply makes no sense, his mother was probably educated in the Soviet Union and his brother in Russia or any other capitalist country.

stop these false flag posts RIGHT NOW

top kek

I find that people generally say this for larger schools. I went to a very small public school and most of the teachers were great. Almost universally they were very intrested in what they were teaching and they would get visibly upset if they even thought that someone wasn't trying to learn and do whatever they could to try to encourage them.

It was pretty swish. Though that doesn't mean that they weren't tied down by standardized testing and education requirements. There were quite a few of them who were very vocal about not being allowed to teach the way they would like to becuase there job is more about preparing students to pass the regional and national tests than it is to actually teach.

I imagine it's the same for a lot of teachers in the US, either they go to a school and get disillusioned because no matter what they do the students don't care about what they're teaching. Or they get jaded by the bounds placed on them by standardized education.

Because they never let the jews in

Grats on baiting so many /pol/lit newfag autists

A country's civilisation zeitgeist is characterised by those that lead it. Trump's style of speech in his demagoguery is barely coherent.

r u a fukn returd or a b8r

Gr8 b8 m8

To truly appreciate Moby Dick you'd need to have slept with your mother, however :)

>he doesn't know Joyce was being ironic when writing Deasy

Dystopian novels are the best kind of YA literature.
Its as bad everywhere else. In Spain we don't read the classics, we mostly read YA fanfic form talentless spanish writters with painfully obvious moral statements.
The closest thing to classic spanish literature I've read there was Lazarillo and Don Juan Tenorio.

Many a truth is spoken in jest

fuck that would be great

literacy is a disease and turns you into a shambling low testosterone zombie with bad teeth and recessed maxilla

I was ready to give a response but I realized I would be hooked by that bait

>Working class literature isn't a thing
>Who is Delaney, Silitoe, Dickens, Greenwood, Barstoe, Osborne, Hines, Gaskell

Don't even study Don Quixote there?

In our school we could choose anything we wanted. I read lord of the rings and plato. Most picked YA books.

This is that mde guy right? What happened?

Parents should have put your brother in Catholic school.

I think I remember another spanish user in a different thread say that the spanish in Don Quixote is old, kinda like how Shakespeare reads to a modern english speaker

>mother read Joyce at a relatively young age
>later on actually got into his work and read all the available translations + the originals, of course

>this was, largely, because her birthday is 16 June so she got interested because of that
kek.

She got pretty good taste later on so I suppose she'd have discovered Joyce at some point no matter what but still...

Because there is no point making kids hate literature by giving them books they dont have the ability to comprehend?

Because the capitalist class wants to keep the proletariat dumb and subservient

This. It shits all over modern leftism and no one seems to care. Guess it's good, or it would've taken out of the school program already.

This, but I wouldn't say all those are horrible picks of books for a kid.

Don't underestimate them that much.

Still tho, forcing kids to read almost anything might be a bad idea. Just give them enjoyable books when they're children and maybe recommend something ~respectable~ when they're teens or so.

I'd avoid 1984 and all the other well-known anti-totalitarian dystopian works though, it is horrible how much they're used to justify retarded political stances. It'd be better if fewer people knew how to quote animal farm or 1984. I'm going to punch my nose the next time I hear someone oppose emancipatory politics with "uh huh all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

Bradbury was a god-tier short story writer, and F451 is easily not his best work. I seriously have no idea why F451 is still read in highschools, I think Bradbury was just a big meme back in the 60s for being such an endearing sci-fi writer that the school system felt the need to appeal to kids in order to get them to read. Not only that but the book is widely misinterpreted as an anti-nazi, anti-facist book when it's not specifically, I think the book burning in the 1940's is only what inspired it. I have no doubts that as soon as someone in charge gets wind of the book criticizing PC culture and intellectual coddling it will be taken off the reading list.

except... the USSR didn't have elementary schools.

and... although some gogol & pushkin was introduced in the early grades, dostoevsky wasn't assigned until high school-equivalent grades

Joyce was stuck between a rock and a hard place, really.

This isn't bait, but although he didn't like a great deal of what the British were doing in Ireland, he did see himself as more British than Irish. In fact, he insisted upon his British passport/nationality.

Much more of a British author than an Irish one. A British author who happened to be born in Ireland. Anglo-Irish, even, that forgotten nationality.

Really though, who gives a fuck? Irish people and British people are so genetically similar, as an American I don't understand all this hatred between different European cultures (other than historical context and terrible injustices, and religious idiocy) but still.

I'm happy that my shit public teachers never had the chance to ruin any actually good literature for me.

Stephen in Ulysses doesn't represent the mature Joyce.

>Irish people and British people are so genetically similar, as an American I don't understand all this hatred between different European cultures

That would probably get you killed in some parts of (Northern) Ireland desu.

Yanks always say careless shit here.

t. Northern Irish

IIRC, the books I had to read in highschool were

>Divine Comedy (Inferno only)
>Iliad (only selected chapters)
>Count of Monte Cristo (Abridged version)
>Lord of the Flies
>The Prince
>Walden
>The Bell jar
>1984
>Scarlet Letter
>Night (obligatory holocaust book)

Not bad, but not great either. I find it strange how much schools across america always include 1984 in their curriculum

>genetics
uh, genetics would seem an even poorer reason

its pretty easy to be mad over historical things, though.

as a northern european, it is easy to get over it, too; maybe the Russians did kill my countrymen, but we were allied with the fucking nazis so maybe we sort of deserved it

>all my teachers were pretty shit except for my math and science teachers

That's it, I'm officialyl a #stemcuck now

It's fucking true though, aside from differences of culture and accent I seriously couldn't tell you the fuck apart other than you guys have lots of gingers.

You guys hold on to history like a bunch of rebel flag waving southerners.

>You guys hold on to history like a bunch of rebel flag waving southerners.

So...you're saying we're on the right side of history?

Why the fuck would genetics be any better a reason m8

Culture will always matter more

>Dad remembers having to read Marx in high school
>Dad tells me it was boring and nobody ever payed attention in class

lel

>tfw you were required to read great works of literature like Hamlet or Faust at school
>tfw you had tons of time for that
>tfw you didn't because you were an oblivious piece of shit

I don't know if it's just me, but sometimes you need some maturity to appreciate the importance of things.

Fratty, chill buck Mulligan came from the stairhead, bearing a MAGA cap

this desu senpai

typical american detected

Capitalism

>stop fighting you're all basically the same anyway, we're all basically the same!

I know that feel senpai

Why did you cited me? Because i said that women ruin everything on another context?
God, the shills are stronger than ever.

Those men are a minority. Most of them wrote decades ago when cheap novels were still sold as popular entertainment. The working class boys at my school dreamed of becoming minor league hockey players or rappers, not the next Dickens.

If you're a real person who really thinks this, I love you.

>I find it strange how much schools across america always include 1984 in their curriculum

Well, they're the good guys obviously. You have to show how evil communism is and how superior the land that live in is compared to it.