Veeky Forums's favorite author just made a video about Lord of the Flies

Veeky Forums's favorite author just made a video about Lord of the Flies

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He can't keep getting away with it!

>John, the way of imagining civilization where more advanced societies are on top and less advanced societies are on the bottom is FLATLY WRONG, Green (6:55)

John Green got a beard

He wants to look more refined

>tfw he thinks the book is more of an analysis of good and evil rather than abject chaos and abject order.

I mean its great that he believes that there isn't some kind of animalistic desire for chaos and power within ever human being that is only barely being restrained by the society we exist in. not all of us could live such easy lives to make such a conclusion.

>John Green claims to intensely study the life story of the author and the environment in which they grew up but fails to understand why there are no women in Lord of the Flies

The lack of female characters in Lord of the Flies has nothing to do with sexism or self-censorship to avoid including actual sex scenes. The actual reason is far more basic and obvious to anyone who has actually grown up in the United Kingdom or Australia.

Fancy "public" (private) schools in Great Britain were, and in many cases still are, gender-segregated. This has its roots in sexism, but when educating women became socially acceptable, girl's-only schools were established alongside the boys-only ones. This was done because most fancy British private schools were boarding schools, and most school administrators (and parents) didn't quite like the idea of hormonal pubescent girls and boys living anywhere remotely near each other for extended periods of time, so rather than let girls into the previously male-exclusive schools, entirely new ones were established. This practice, although less common today than it was in the past, persists, partly because parents still have the same fears, partly because studies suggest that children learn better in single-sex environments, and partly because it's become a tradition of sorts. The lack of female characters in Lord of the Flies is a direct result of this - the author didn't include any female characters because doing so would be absolutely absurd from a logical standpoint and completely shatter the suspension of disbelief of his intended audience.

John Green failed to realize this basic fact about English society in the 50's and simply assumed the author was sexist, which should cause any and all credibility he has as a both a literary critic and a history teacher to instantly evaporate. John Green has exposed himself as little more than a pseudo-intellectual paint-by-numbers charlatan, who is only famous because he was able to tap into the angsty teenage girl Twilight market and because he knows how to upload videos onto YouTube.

The fact that John Green instantly associates face paint and spears with Africans says a lot about him. Face paint and spears are perhaps the two things common to most human cultures worldwide and the children are forced to use Stone Age technology to live their lives from the start of the novel because they're stranded on a fucking desert island. John Green's claim that any narrative involving spears, face-paint, and savage behavior is specifically racist against Africans or other victims of British colonisation is patently ridiculous. If anything, the novel rails against the perceived inherent racial superiority of the Anglo-Saxon race by portraying the children as being indistinguishable from the "savages" that the British Empire encountered, and uses the image of a face-painted spear-throwing island savage to drive this point home.

yawn.

But I'm Veeky Forums as fuck, and my favorite author is Nabokov.

This 100%.

He can't do a simple unbiased critique, and has to make europhobic, useless points.

I like John's videos, they are comfy even if a bit quirky and opinionated

How do you think the novel plays out if all the characters are girls?

has there ever been a case of a group of girls surviving on their own? It would be interesting to see

Absolutely the fucking same, all human beings are brutal monsters one step away from cannibalism. The pig's head on a stick, though, would be replaced by something evocative of female sexuality, definitely involving period blood.

like a bloody pigs head on a stick

I'd love for John Green to try to get to grips with JG Ballard.

Pig's head in a muddy swamp, more likely. But otherwise, yeah, same book.

He somewhat resembles of DFW.

Spam this to him plz

All true but I'm pretty sure Golding wanted an all-male cast because introducing the issue of sex would have completely changed the book. The idea that he wanted to have a mixed cast but couldn't logistically make it happen is silly.

Agreed on your last paragraph.

If there were women in the book, they would all have been raped and enslaved by Jack's gang. Not because women deserve enslavement or any other /pol/ or /r9k/ shit but because, in the absence of order, the strong dominate the weak (which is the point of Piggy in the novel). Like the user above said, it's not "good vs. evil," but, rather, "chaos v. order."

John Green underestimates the fragility of civilization.

Finally, if you want to bring in historical context, keep in mind that Golding wrote this book after WW 2, after the Holocaust, after the Rape of Nanking, and during a time in which nuclear annihilation was a very real possibility. Civilization is fragile, man. Green thinks that rule of law grows on fucking trees.

I've never seen one of Green's videos before, but this shit really triggered me. I read this book when I was 12 and it explained so goddamned much, both about children in particular and people in general.

>Writer: Alex Soloski
John doesn't even write the script.

pretty much this I don't know about the period blood tho

>And this points at something really problematic
actually said the absolut madam

>look at comments
>most of them disfavour the video
>some of the most liked comments argue against the video
>the actual video still has 90% likes over dislikes

either
1. John Green's fanbase just love him so much that they'll disagree with him intensly but still love him.
2. John Green's fanbase really love it, but they don't want to interfere with the sexist manbabbies in the comments, so they resort to just liking the video.
3. The likes are FAKE

>And then there is the complete lack of female characters
HE DID IT AGAIN
i don't know what i expected his wife if feminitso but jesus fuck

Yes, he's been married for a while.

Yeah seriously I even joked while studying this in school. The book would have been way too dark for students (was it actually written to be read by children, i cant remember?)

This

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What did she mean by this?

John Green categorically btfo.

I'm talking out of my ass here but I imagine Golding was one of those writers who believed that child lit should be good enough to be enjoyed by adults.

She means a marketing executive advised her to praise the film's source material so people would go to see it

I can see the infantilization of a culture that once produced Faust happening before my eyes

I don't think he made a single valid point in that whole video. I never take part in Green hate threads but that video was just... Ignorant. He has no idea what children are capable of. Kids don't understand that what they're doing is bad and that's half the point. Going on about good and evil like he just stepped out of church, what the fuck.

kek

Shh be careful user, the correct term is women are vulnerable not "weak". Feminists tend to be triggered by that pairing. Just a lititle help for your everyday life.

>why are piggy and ralph still """""Civilized?""""""

nigga what

Piggy and Ralph are one of the only characters that still have ties to old civilization. Literally, his fucking inhaler is a metaphor for this it's so obvious

How did he interpret the ending of the book so wrong?

Savage! xD

Not even gonna watch the video, but I found this comment funny.

This. People are complaining about how they savagely kill a female pig by sticking a spear up its ass shows sexism because the only female like things that are allowed in the book are sexually brutalized. But that just misses the reason why the author decided to use all boys in the first place.

It's not just a pig, it's a woman.

This is probably bait but doesn't this still go with the theme that evil people with power will use it to hurt others who dont? If girls were in it perhaps they would be brutalized in the same way along with the piggy and Ralph who were also obviously powerless in the situation. The only way to reconfile the gender issue would be to make a similar story with just girls or maybe mostly girls imo.

It's a horror movie, so obviously not the same thing, but this is kind of analogous. A bunch of women go spelunking together; down in the caves, without civilization, repressed desires and resentments come to the forefront and wreck everything.

"John dislikes Lord of the Flies? For me, it is just above better than average UNTIL the very ending when the external viewer makes the shocking reality about the radical, almost primal nature of humans in himself from just looking at what little boys did."

Wow that really made me think

Same shit with Heart of Darkness in the last paragraph desu. Everyone calls Conrad racist but the entire point of Kurtz is to show that the allegedly superior white man is no better than the subjugated savages. Hence the dichotomy of the two rivers (the Thames and the African river that forms the core of the narrative) being juxtaposed but ultimately superimposed by the end of the novel. Civilization is painted out to be a fantasy, a form of mentally establishing oneself as better out of fear of the dark recesses endemic to the human condition.

You can read it for yourself, a strong empowered woman wrote an intersectional feminist version senpai
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>actual discussion on lit
what manner of black magic is this

Veeky Forums is united in its hatred of John Green above almost all other sectarian bullshit

also
>tfw you will never read post-office literature

That movie still scares me

delete this

What the flying fuckety fuck, how do you even come to conclusion that Lord of the Flies is sexist, and that the pig scene was "sexualized"?

I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed

I'm John Green and this is Crash Course Buttplug History
Now, we all know that buttplugs are used today for pleasure, but what were they originally used for.
"Oh, I know I know. They tried to reverse shit."
Oh me from the past, how naive you were. What they really were used for was too retain water when people from the past were suffering from dysentery. Dysentery is a disease that causes heavy flow and can quickly lead to dehydration. It was as important then and as it is now that we clog up those passages that water so commonly seeps out of.
Now that we've discussed the purpose of buttplugs lets talk about what they actually are.
"Oh, Mr. Green Mr. Green! It's when you have a piece of poop slightly sticking out your anus or 'poop purgatory' as I like to call it."
NO me from the past , that's very gross! What a "buttplug" was made of actually varied in different parts of the world. In places like Africa they would use wet dirt (more commonly called mud) while in Southern Europe (more specifically Italy and Croatia) they would use garlic cloves or wooden mallets. And in places like Japan they would have specialty carved plugs that would honor certain festivals. They're truly a site to be seen.
Thanks thought bubble.
What I find really interesting, and very unifying of all peoples, is the need to shove shit up our anuses to stop the flow of water.
What's that? The mystery compartment.
And in today's mystery compartment we have a cup full of diarrhea with the word "dysentery" written on it.
This ones for you, dysentery, because without you we wouldn't have this satisfying, and exciting, form of pleasure.
And with that see you next week for our discussion on whether butt plugs count as BDSM.
See ya.

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>Literary criticism was once a respectable field
>Now this

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Critical theory is to literature what ISIS is to civilization

Post this on the video or someone else do it please.

What a pseudo.

That Q&A...

Disgusting

This guy is such a hypocrite. Literally the only reason he defends Twilight is because he thinks being contrarian makes him superior, and he wants the progressive points.

Then if there's something popular like NCIS he calls it lazy. He has no consistent values or integrity; he just wants to be an intellectual-sounding contrarian.

What emotion is that face supposed to give?

>Jonathan Franzen is the ceiling of literary quality.

WOW.

I MEAN WOW.

YOU FINALLY CRACKED IT.

Congratulations, you've figured out every public figure in existence.

>e-every public figure is a pseudo-intellectual, it's not just me!
Go back to tumblr John

>JOHN GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN

Shut your mouth you sexist pig

Well he's clearly checked his privilege to an acceptable amount

Start a youtube channel, you'll make big bucks

Not everyone famous is illiterate.

>Which egomaniac said it: Donald Trump or novelist Jonathan Franzen?

roasted

Talking to two people fampai. I've considered it but I don't have the production capability to start up a channel and i'm not gonna beg for money on kickstarter or whatever.

>schmaltzy cancer porn
>"useful to humans"

Yeah, maybe as kindling.

What an utterly idiotic way of viewing literature. If someone enjoyed reading it, guess fucking what? It was useful to a human! John Green is the exact kind of middle brow idiot that fell for Wallace's fraudulent intellectual posturing.

Fuck these threads, they always make me so angry.

What about feminists who attack her for promoting a masquerade disguised as female empowerment? And he obviously hasnt seen the shitstorm against male comic and fantasy writes who do the same

>What an utterly idiotic way of viewing literature.

eh, if books weren't useful to my life, I wouldn't bother reading them at all. You completely distorted his point around too, he said that he prefered usefulness to beauty, and to "enjoy" something is a much bigger indicator that that something is beautiful to the reader than useful. Useful things need not bring enjoyment, but beautiful things normally do.

From all the retarded things Greene said, that was the least problematic to me.

If you're saying that fiction provides a value beyond enjoyment, you've really got your work cut out for you in substantiating that claim.

The novel is useful only for keeping smart people from killing themselves. That's it. The state has been perfected sometime in the 1960's. It doesn't require our input anymore. Consent can be manufactured. We will be made to do the right thing by people who know better. The only thing we could possibly do is fuck the whole thing up, and thankfully that's getting harder and harder to imagine. People who dream of revolution are just dissatisfied by their bank accounts, and deeply ignorant about how geopolitics work.

There's a whole whack of shit I have to say to explain why I'm right, so I'm just gonna stop here because I don't have the time to get into it on a post that's gonna disappear in a few hours anyway.

I've just posted it. I also insulted his beard

Jokes on you. I'm deeply ignorant of my bank account and dissatisfied about how geopolitics work.

I didnt know who this fag was until i started browsing history related videos about rome, i remember he called out the title "the great" for having misogynistic implications or some shit when talking about Alexander the great. The guy even looked like a complete faggot.

how does he have a following again? is this the same john green who wrote those shitty meme books suburban teenagers?

Someone tweet this to him

>The novel is useful only for keeping smart people from killing themselves. That's it.

get a load of this edgy teenager

Yup. The same one.

Hes got a following because his shit is simple or simplified so any teenage intellectual could understand

I posted it to the vid.

I can't watch his Youtube videos because of the way he always finishes his sentences with this weird growling sound. It makes me want to hurt myself.

>If you're saying that fiction provides a value beyond enjoyment, you've really got your work cut out for you in substantiating that claim.

Are you baiting? I've got no need to "substantiate" that claim, since it's my subjective experience which is in cause. Books add value in my life beyond "enjoyment" simply because they teach things about myself, and make my self-consciousness grow. It's useless to "prove" that to anyone since I know that subjective truth to exist in myself, and anyone who's not a complete autist would see how even considering making an argument about that is completely retarded. It would be like trying to "prove" that I don't like something or that I like something else.

If you truly only read books for enjoyment, I honestly feel bad for you, man.

I might make a youtbe account just to post this

Just posted this on the video.

Good post lad

>(((Soloski)))

I'm fucking triggered watching this, holy shit

Now I know why all the hate for him is deserved

jon grean on suicide watch

HOLY SHIT.

Literature and thought not according to modern liberalism propaganda matrix truly is dead.

He defends Twilight because he's a creep that likes pandering to girls half his age.

bewilderment.

>ays finishes his sentences with this weird growling sound. It makes me wan
FUCK! The way he speaks annoys me so much. I've never heard someone speak so obnoxiously.

What a cuck!