What's a book that is filled with so much taboo ideas and actions that it will make me feel like I'm living in my own...

What's a book that is filled with so much taboo ideas and actions that it will make me feel like I'm living in my own little bubble of reality? I don't mean a book that's just one giant fantastic orgy or sex dungeon or something, just something which anyone who's a fucking normy or likes conventional morality would scoff at. I hate those people, I want to hold it inside of my consciousness as a sort of garlic against the vampiric ignorance. I want the book to not show me horrific things as though they were supposed to be horrific, but be like a secret society which the laws of the outside world don't apply.

You are pathetic, not a little special snowflake, and not not nearly as outside of society as you would like to pretend to be, but I would recommend Han Kang's The Vegetarian, pic related, and Huysmans La Bas. Camus' Stranger would probably be good for you too.

Oh man you would like my book.

>You are pathetic, not a little special snowflake
I don't understand why people feel this way. There seems to be a connection with feeling this way and being a conservative, but since you're actually giving me suggestions based off my criteria, I guess I can discount that assumption (on the basis of conservatives have a need for familiarity and dislike things which are different).

If you're not a conservative, then I think you could see that there's a clear discrepancy between people who are different and people who fit a certain status quo. I don't understand why you think that each person isn't individual when there's a clear motivation to conform to societal standards. I think that pretty much every person has inside of them a very distinctive personality, and no two people are alike, no two people share the exact same characteristic traits no matter how similar they may be.

If anything I think that mentality of conformity makes people think that there isn't really anything special about individual people, but that's because people often think of themselves in terms of what already exists, and possibly push out unique and individual thoughts, thoughts which distinguish themselves from other people, pushed out of their mind and marked as nonsense probably on an almost sub conscious reflex, before they even come to fruition.

This is b8

>left/right dichotomy

I just think that any individual who sees themselves as separate from the whole and feels alienation from society is lying to themselves, no man is an island. You are sharing in Thoreau's quiet life of desperation which is a CONSTANT in literature and culture, not some tangential being.

What makes it pathetic is that you are ascribing to a poisonous internet ideology evidenced by "/r9k/" terms (normy, scoffing at others). It isnt even your own private suffering and alienation as described by others, you are taking ideas created by a group and ascribing them to yourself. Its like a goth kid that wears a costume to be unique, but looks like all his friends.

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This post is really disappointing. Not only did you fail to grasp everything I said and concisely refute it, you use meaningless buzzwords and generalities as if they were arguments in themselves.

Or you could be wrong. You are part of a whole whether you accept it or not.

>uses the term normy
>calls someone else out for using buzzwords.

Ok pepe

No, you're not making a point and you expect me to just accept your argument on the merit that you're the one making it. That's bullshit.

If you've ever tried to have a friendship, or remember when you were first getting into music, you'd remember that there isn't really anything relates to exactly how you feel, or exactly who you are as an individual. People themselves are always very different from one another, and in fact it's because that people are different that they often find that they love each other, and it's because of the music's uniqueness that makes you experience wonderful alien feelings. To be told that there's nothing but sameness seems like not only a baseless assertion, born out of nothing but ignorance and dumb pseudo intellectual strong manning, it's anatomically incorrect.

Just read Platon and stuff, no one really cares about philosophy, or better to say everyone actually hates philosophy.

>There seems to be a connection with feeling this way and being a conservative
There seems to be a connection between socialism and being a faggot.

If everyone is taught that they can't think differently and that there's nothing special about any of us, how could someone produce art if they think that everything has already been said and there's nothing unique and individual about them? I find it to be a deeply demeaning and demoralizing perspective to hold on life.

Once more, I feel that denying a person the fact that they’re an individual is nothing more than group think propaganda, probably a sort of sub conscious control mechanism which people enforce on each other without really thinking. It’s as though by nature of being in a society there were some mechanism, possibly out of the biological pattern seeking behavior of the human brain, that makes human beings not only conform to, but enforce the idea that we’re not individuals. It makes no sense, and it’s an idea which has no bearing on reality, and really no practice purpose.

WAT AN INSUFFERABLE FAGGOT
KILL YOUR SELF

Tiny walnut brain can't have an intellectual conversation.

Because the epiphany that you are in fact not special coincides with mental maturity and therefore lends itself well to modern conservatism - since most (modern) liberal ideologies are irrational and untenable.

Also because you are a narrow minded twat.

>simply point out that an individual belongs to a group
>propaganda mind control tyranny

found the Randfag

>I want to be different from all the phonies
>hey guys help me be an individual with my own secret morality
>NO NORMIES ALLOWED

Holden pls go

The idea you are arguing against is not mutually exclusive with the idea of individuality. The most important point, and the reason you are wrong, is that no one is special on the pure basis of existing (like people often say about snowflakes). The reality is that no matter how different each snowflake is from another, anyone looking won't see how they stand out from one another. The onlooker will just see snow.

When people bring up the idea that this realization comes with maturity, it essentially refers to the fact that when everyone's in their youth, they're convinced they're going to be a great scientist or artist or hero of some sort. As people grow up they realize both that this isn't likely, and that in the perspective of history as a whole no one can possibly really matter. Past a certain point no one will remember individual humans if they even remember humans at all.

I'm actually already an individual with my own unique morality. Morality is subjective to every person, I also have a lot of very distinctive qualities about myself, in terms of certain characteristics and combinations of characteristics. In a universe where a tiny universe could be held without your finger tip, and each molecule is constantly rearranging itself so we've completely regenerated every molecule of ourselves, and every variable of our surroundings combined with the fact that our brain is twice as powerful as the strongest super computer on the planet earth and uses less electricity than is necessary to power a lightbulb, it's not only tacitly false this argument your proposing that everyone is exactly the same, it's astounding that a person could reach this depth of ignorance. This is nothing more than a human mind afraid of discovery, this is a the human mind being satisfied with not understanding the world around him or herself. This is in essence, religious thinking.

>unique morality

lmfao. did you already have that saved and were able to use it for this special occasion? dank find nonetheless

>If everyone is taught that they can't think differently and that there's nothing special about any of us, how could someone produce art if they think that everything has already been said and there's nothing unique and individual about them?
The left are actually the ones who want a "collective". Most leftist philosophies revolve around the idea of people as a social group rather than as individuals which is what conservatism teaches. This is why SJWs are so wildly obsessed with equality and the crushing of dissenting opinion.
Also, conservatives don't mind others "thinking differently". I want people to think logically, that's all, and most conservatives hold freedom of speech to be one of, if not the most, important protection the people have from their government (a government which socialists want to expand massively).

>Most leftist philosophies revolve around the idea of people as a social group rather than as individuals which is what conservatism teaches. This is why SJWs are so wildly obsessed with equality and the crushing of dissenting opinion.
Leftists are concerned with ignorant bigot conservatives oppressing people because they're different.

Ego and Its Own

He or she just created it because he thought the thought was frameable. I'm flattered, either way.

>ignorant bigot conservatives oppressing people because they're different.
I'm glad we agree on something. Who could possibly object to being concerned about such people. What I am also concerned about however is ignorent bigot leftists oppressing people because they question the party's groupthink.
Literally go to any university in America, Britain, or Germany and see how much of a colossal circlejerk the politics and ideas are there.
Hypocrisy is another problem. If someone tells a joke jabbing white people I laugh and give a joke back, or I would if giving back said joke wouldn't get me expelled from university, lost job, etc. You can literally call people "whitey" and celebrate the deaths of white police officers these days and no one will bat an eyelid, but if one obscure church in Kansas starts saying "God hates fags", suddenly all conservatives are bigots and it's given 24/7 news coverage.
I don't mind racial jokes directed at white people, as long as we can do the same with equal safety.

>Literally go to any university in America, Britain, or Germany and see how much of a colossal circlejerk the politics and ideas are there.
You've been watching too much right wing propaganda to feel well rounded and intellectual. This is all stereotypes.

You're putting special importance on what's conventionally perceived as "special" and "important". Each person is an individual, and by default is "special", meaning unique. Importance is completely subjective and arbitrary, one man's trash is another man's treasure, but furthermore, measuring things by these standards isn't an objective way of measuring anything, because the notion of importance and worth is an arbitrary measurement. Your whole argument is silly, human beings are unique, special individuals, every single one of them.

>special
>every single one of them
spe·cial
ˈspeSHəl/
adjective
adjective: special
1. better, greater, or otherwise different from what is usual

By definition, everyone can't be special. The usual must be defined by trends in the greater body. If everyone is special, no one is.

Greater OR different. Different being the operative word. Also, unique is an adjective of special. All human beings are different.

Also, because the notion of what is greater is arbitrary, it's not a valid basis to measure whether or not each human being is greater than another human being. Therefor the notion that each human being is special, in sense that each human being is different, is demonstrably true.

>Han Kang's The Vegetarian

i've just read that. that's a cool book

also, geek love is the book you need OP

>I want to hold it inside of my consciousness as a sort of garlic against the vampiric ignorance

A Rebours by Huysmans is the exact book you've asked for.

Anything by William S Burroughs, with the exceptions of Queer and Junkie, in which characters live in this nasty way but the world around them is as it actually is.
Naked Lunch is your best bet. I've also heard Dahlgren is in that vein, but haven't read it myself (despite my dad urging me to since I was 13).

is your dad a gay pedophile

I really want my mouth around another man's penis right now, not going to lie.

what's your book user?

My diary.

Your dad's kind of fucking weird for recommending Dhalgren to a 13 year old. It is a great book though, you should read it now.

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