What does Veeky Forums think of Ezra Pound?

What does Veeky Forums think of Ezra Pound?

mediocre. The reason poetry sucks so much these days.

Love him
Great poetry died with Pound

lol

Love me tender, love me sweet
Love me like I love my feet
Sit me down with Ezra Pound
But don't forget to eat

like his early stuff but i cant be arsed to get into the Cantos
his literary criticism is interesting

I cannot read more than a couple of lines of his poetry but harold bloom dislikes him which is good enough of a reason for me to dislike him too.

The Cantos feel like a completely failed attempt. Like he just didn't remotely have what it took to write something of that scope.

He's got some of the most striking turns of phrase I've ever read iin poetry though

ABC of Reading is all I've read and I enjoyed it although his requirements are a bit OTT. He seems a good dude and would hang with. Lovely chap would stomp jews with.

Hugh Selwyn Mauberley and Homage to Sextus Propertius are masterpieces. I find most of his other poetry (both the earlier short poems and The Cantos) somewhat hit or miss, however. When he is at his best, his poetry can compete with the work of Joyce and Eliot as the pinnacle of Modernist aesthetics.

He fought with TS Eliot in the captain's tower

>Eliot
>Yeats
>Pound
>Kipling
>Larkin and The Movement
>Heaney
Why were rightists and nationalists so much better at poetry than leftists in the 20th century? Is it because the 20th century was when it became apparent that multiculturalism and leftism had failed? Or is it because the superior right-wing mind requires organization and intelligence, while the inferior and immature left-wing mind seeks disorder and immediate gratification?

Is rightist now synonymous with nationalism or something?

I think poets are just kind of assholes, and that type of philosophy appeals to them

Back when Leftism was actually edgy, like idk 400 years ago they were probably leftists

No, which is why I deliberately used separate terms to describe the beliefs of the listed poets. I can tell from your poor reading comprehension skills and your ignorance of the historical relationship between conservatism and nationalism that you are a leftist.

I think you're getting right/left wing confused with left/right brain

Ive never read him. Whats a good place to start?

>makes a post decrying the conflation of rightism and nationalism
>conflates rightism and conservatism

>Shelley
>Joyce
>Beckett
>Byron
>Mann
>Crane
>Auden

Also, it looks like we need a reminder that Yeats's politics were more or less confined to Irish affairs, and most certainly cannot be assigned to a strict right or left position. Yeats was not opposed to fascism, but nor was he for it, and the benevolent neo-feudalism he advocated is so idiosyncratic as not to be a part of any major ideology.

Also, you betray your own historical ignorance when you talk about 'multiculturalism and leftism' failing. Multiculturalism was barely a concept, and certainly not a policy, in any major Western nation during the early 20th century, and and most of those men became right wing radicals long before the decline of communism. But then, why am I even replying? I know this is bait.

You're no better than he is. It's debatable if the modern left-right dichotomy was applicable even in the time frame he's talking about; 400 years ago, it becomes completely incoherent. If we really want to stretch our definitions that far, then the left can claim Milton, as he shared certain traits with the radical leftist intellectuals of the 20th century. The right cannot even begin to compete with that.

Definitely the short poems. I started with Hugh Selwyn Mauberley, which is one of the longest 'short' poems. I think it was a good start, too. Beware, though, virtually everything he ever wrote is extremely allusive, complicated, and obscure.

I'm Irish and Yeat's was associated with the Blueshirts of Eoin O'Duffy, he wrote some marching songs for them. He is known for openly flirting with fascism, he was very much elitist

Thomas Mann was also associated with the Conservative Revolutionary movement in the 20's, see Reflections of a Nonpolitical man

A favorite between the ages of 14 and 16, and thereafter.

Which of the cantos are top tier?

I agree he failed, Pound himself admitted it. However, it is unlike anything else I've ever read, what he tried to attempt was something even greater than Dante. He basically reveals the limits of poetry, I say this as a compliment to him as to have the talent and knowledge to reach a limit in anything is clearly of great merit.

Yes, but he produced much of his best work during his socialist phase. If we can only admit ideologically pure writers, we must even discount Pound, as he renounced all his political views toward the end of his life.

Were those marching songs even published in his lifetime, though? Also, he may have 'flirted' with fascism, but he was never actually a fascist. That he was an elitist I'll grant you, but frankly on those grounds even socialists might partially claim him, since the class he most disdained was the bourgeoisie.

>Kipling
>Larkin
>Heaney

What shit taste son

Never understood that line by Dylan, TS Eliot and Pound were friends

They weren't used by the party, he didn't intend on publishing them himself. Also I'm referring to contemporary perspectives of him by other Irish, nationalist veteran Ernie o'malley said he had sullied himself by his fascist leanings. Yeats is still highly regarded in Ireland today of course but in the academy they still have an obsession with comparing out his so called fascist aesthetics to that of pound, Wyndham, Eliot etc

Kipling's worst poem is better than your greatest attempt at stringing a thought together, pseud

Nah, they just aren't that good in general

He revealed the limits of his own abilities not poetry as a whole.

Kek

They disagreed on which religion would save the west. Read Eliot's "After Strange Gods." They were friends but disagreed on which religion ought to save the west.

Pound also said "With a bang, not a whimper!"