How do you feel about political correctness being enforced on authors today?

Stalinist faggotry

>If you're unable to articulate your views in any public forum because a corporation deems it problematic, then you functionally have no free speech.

"Public forum"? If it's privately owned, there's nothing public about it. I mean, the doors may be open to the public, but the owner(s) can expel you for whatever arbitrary reason they see fit. Go espouse your views on public, tax-funded premises instead.

You're not entitled to trespass on someone else's property and force your views on them. If you parade onto my lawn with a gang of picketers all shouting neo-Nazi / Tumblr / whatever slogans, I'm going to remove all of you by force if necessary, and that's my legal prerogative. Fuck you.

>i work for a company that doesn't know what it's doing
>HEY YOU CAN'T FIRE ME IT'S FREE SPEECH

The distinction between a public and a private forum is blurred by the ubiquity of certain social media platforms, you fucking lefty lapdog. And regardless of whether or not a private institution has the legal right to silence certain people, we as potential costumers of those private institutions also have the right to give them shit for it without people like you invoking their free speech.

You're a fucking retard. No one is saying that the corporations don't have a legal right to fire someone for expressing views they don't like. What we're saying is that, despite them having that legal right, they deserve shit for invoking it so cavalierly.

>The distinction between a public and a private forum is blurred by the ubiquity of certain social media platforms

Stop using fucking social media. I don't use social media, unless lurking Veeky Forums counts. I've had to deal with Facebook and message boards shoving PCness down my throat in the past. I learned my lesson and moved on.

>lefty lapdog
>left

lol
Pigeon-holing everything into your black-and-white spectrum must involve some pretty complex mental gymnastics. Are you really so delusional?

>we as potential costumers of those private institutions also have the right to give them shit for it without people like you invoking their free speech

You're entitled to your opinion. You're not entitled to force yourself onto anyone's property and scream your opinion at them when they have clearly instructed you to leave.

Don't be a special snowflake. The law applies to you just as well as everybody else. No, you don't get to violate my property. You can say whatever you want to me on Veeky Forums and I'll humor your retarded e-pinions until I get tired and move on, but don't ever think to show up on my property with this nonsense.

>Enforced
That is not true at all

Their group didn't like what he said (and there were probably other unmentioned reasons for not inviting him), so he didn't get an invite to their 'club'. There is nothing that was enforced at all, you must be quite over-sentive to make a thread about this non topic.

>rebelling against authoritarian dominance of social justice types that control the scene

Do you even process this shit before you spout it? You are being a social justice type

>Why does objecting to the policing of these concerns immediately make one a far right/bigot

It doesn't. It just makes you an insecure and oversensitive person latches onto shite such as this because you are constantly looking for something to be offended by. You lack the basic self awareness to even see your hypocrisy

>Why can't you even talk about this

You can and you have. Lots alt-right mouth breathers whine about this stuff constantly

>How can anyone perceive this shit as being anything but Stalinist? I literally can't imagine anyone being okay with this.

Wow. Millennials are so coddled that they think social media garbage such as this is 'Stalinist'
You must live a comfortable life

more like science shitshow desu

>Stop using fucking social media.
That's not good enough. I'm not a big facebook or twitter user, but for many people their entire social lives are organized around the use of these platforms. Being kicked off for expressing the wrong opinion is a modern form of being unpersoned. For a select few even their livelihoods are dependent on social media.

>You're not entitled to force yourself onto anyone's property and scream your opinion at them when they have clearly instructed you to leave.

You're being disgustingly disingenuous with this example. No one is against disruptive people being asked to leave, what we're against is perfectly reasonable people expressing perfectly reasonable views being kicked out for not towing a particular political line. And a benefit of our first amendment is that we're perfectly entitled to publicly berate corporations who do this.

Yes, he expressed badthought and must be punished appropriately.

>Private organizations can do whatever they want
And we're allowed to criticize them for it. This is always the dumbest response to these sort of occurrences.

>I'm not a big facebook or twitter user, but for many people their entire social lives are organized around the use of these platforms. Being kicked off for expressing the wrong opinion is a modern form of being unpersoned. For a select few even their livelihoods are dependent on social media.

Nothing in that paragraph justifies you or anyone else forcing privately owned Web sites to bend to your will.

"Basing your livelihood" on social media? I provide interpretive services, and I have no career-ended need for social media services.

If it's that important to you, there are a multitude of ways to keep clients informed about your services, such as a Web site that you own and operate. You could even use Twitter or another blogging service provided by a third party. I imagine most have policies that are neutral toward the type of content you publish, provided it doesn't violate copyright laws or promote terrorism.

Oh, right. You think the leftist boogeyman is out to get you, and has its claws in every form of media. Well, sucks to be you.

>what we're against is perfectly reasonable people expressing perfectly reasonable views being kicked out for not towing a particular political line

>i.e. "I want to force my views on other people against their will. To hell with their rights!"

Throwing up the same tautological nonsense over and over again isn't going to make your demands any less unreasonable.

I imagine you walking away from this thread and finding some retarded reason to convince yourself that I and the rest of society has once again left you disenfranchised. So is the endless cycle of victimology to which fragile minds will always succumb.

This level of callous corporatism is as offensive to me as the most obscene pornography imaginable, but I wouldn't ban it on the grounds that the only thing that really justifies limiting speech in a corporate setting is promoting hatred of certain people. I don't see why Nobel Prize winner Tim Hunt making an awkward joke in a private lunch conference justifies him being forced to resign from his professorship. And I think i'm perfectly justified in exercising my legal rights by chastising the group that exercised its legal right to fire him.

>If it's that important to you, there are a multitude of ways to keep clients informed about your services
This is retarded and you know it. Private platforms don't have a modicum of the reach facebook does. Again, its ubiquity and reach make it a unique case.

>i.e. "I want to force my views on other people against their will. To hell with their rights!"
No one is forcing anything, you fucking doormat. Telling corporations to not silence people they happen to disagree with is distinct from telling them that they must also then support those opinions. The concept of free expression only really needs to be invoked for speech people happen to disagree with.

>So is the endless cycle of victimology to which fragile minds will always succumb.

The modern Left's social power comes from exploiting victimhood. Dave Truesdale was kicked out precisely due to the victim mentality you're decrying. Could you possibly be less self-aware?

He was probably being a gross person that was making people uncomfortable. Cry about it, morons.

What do you guys think of Vox Day?

>gross person that was making people uncomfortable

That doesn't sound immature at all

Oh I'm sorry, Veeky Forums types think creepshaming is bigotry somehow.

Kind of a wanker desu

Is the same thing happening in literature or is this just happening to mass-market toss (SFF)?

He's one of William Lind's buttbuddies, if you don't get the significance of that find an archive for /k/'s let's read of Victoria.

I had an idea for a KND fic playing off the whole "retroculture" thing, but I was too late.

I wanna know what really said.

Because if he complained about not being able to say nigger out loud I'm not going to be very impressed, however, if he complained about there being a concerned effort by publishers to only publish books that conform to some kind of narrative or whatever, I'd support him.

Oh jesus. If he's 1/3 as spergy as Lind then they may have been justified.

I really hate science fiction and internet alternative conservatism but I also hate any implication that the moral standards of a group of people can be more important than the moral standards of an individual simply because there are more of them.

>hate political correctness
>hate people who whine about it, too
goddamnit I love Veeky Forums

He's thoroughly on board with Lind when it comes to race, sex, and "cultural Marxism," and he's also pretty damn big on pic related.

Still better than the rest of the alt-right, even if they are his secret club.

I think this too but I can't think of a rational reason why. Words should be just words. In a perfect society there should be no ramifications to vibrating your vocal chords whatever sounds come out.

If words were powerless what would be the point of literature?

>Still better than the rest of the alt-right

I like RamZPaul because he seems like he's just a contrarian who sees that the left is becoming the new dominant culture and so opposes it because of that. He was a libertarian before libertarianism became more accepted.

also he's the only one of them who's genuinely funny

>he's just a contrarian who sees that the left is becoming the new dominant culture and so opposes it because of that.
That's literally like 80% of the alt right, particularly people like Milo, who doesn't seem to have any view other than wanting the ability to say whatever he wants.

A barbarian who I wouldn't feel safe letting any woman or girl near.

Nah, as much as I dislike Gavin McInnes's views, the guy is objectively hilarious.

>wanting the ability to say whatever he wants.

What's wrong with that?

To cause fleeting feelings and images in the mind which for whatever reason entertain us. Words aren't powerless, they have the ability to influence peoples thoughts and emotions but there's no reason to be afraid of certain words.

Nothing. All i'm saying is that his political views aren't consistent, and when they are they're only consistent in their favor of cultural libertarianism. He's more of a performer than any sort of political thinker.

Haven't listened to any of his stuff.

>Veeky Forums doesn't recognize an obscure thing nobody's ever heard of pulling a transparent publicity stunt

I thought we were all smart here?

I'm pretty sure even a lot of people IN the alt-right admit this. I've heard more than one of them talk about accepting the more edgy and artistic types who are just doing it to be subversive. They go on to mention that these people function as "useful idiots" as if a few people having Hitler avatars will instate world fascism.

oh he's that guy from therebel yeah he's good, and I think he's definitely in the camp that's doing it just to do something

I don't really consider Milo to be alt-right, while hardly liberal he's not quite on the "destroy the Enlightenment" bandwagon; his explanation of the alt-right basically boiled down to saying they're spouting ultra-right views as a joke on their somewhat-right views. Which is accurate for a large chunk of them, mind, but I'm pretty sure Roosh for one actually does want a Taliban-lite.

They will turn on him sooner or later, Matt Forney's recent sperging over feminine dicks is just the beginning.

The /pol/ people swamping other boards with their shit-threads are not smart.

What books and authors is he even referring to?

I haven't read a modern science fiction book in ten years.

It's all generic and cliche garbage that is written with the goal of becoming a movie.

If you've read Potter, Narnia, Starwars novels, and LotR, then you've essentially read all new scifi books, cause all they do is copy those titles.

I think the pendulums already swinging back. I used to be all for "say what you want" but every time I see someone bitch about "political correctness" I get the urge to disagree with them

Alt-right people are literally morons. Some dink hosted an event on my campus titled "An Encroachment on Liberty." Know what it was about? Trans people using public restrooms. What the fuck liberty is being encroached by that? Some hairy dude with a vagina might be pissing in the stall next to you? Cripes.

You should read Lem, PKD, Rajaniemi, your ignorance is showing

I don't know I think William Gibson's newer stuff is still good.

I'd much rather have trannies in males stalls than unisex bathrooms tbqh.

>Alt-right people are literally morons. Some dink hosted an event on my campus titled "An Encroachment on Liberty." Know what it was about? Trans people using public restrooms. What the fuck liberty is being encroached by that? Some hairy dude with a vagina might be pissing in the stall next to you? Cripes.

You ever consider that forcing a business to create such bathrooms might be encroachment on liberty?

>ignorance is showing

Back to plebbit with you

>Lem, PKD
>modern

Rajaniemi is the only one I'll give you.

Eh, he's hit or miss kind of like Neal Stephenson. Zero History was really good but the books before it were pretty forgettable.

Or, and this is just me spitballing here, why don't you just let people piss in the bathrooms they feel comfortable pissing in? Why does that make you so upset that you even have to make it a thing?

No because individual liberty is the only liberty that matters, ergo a tranny's right to piss wherever they want supersedes the Christian morality (held by billions) held by a business (consisting of at least dozens)

Furthermore no one has the right to CURB a liberty. It's like complaining you don't have the right to beat people up randomly.

This post reeks of
>I just came on Veeky Forums from [reddit/tumblr/gamerghazi/etc] because my Veeky Forums friends told me it was the "GOOD" board

It wouldn't be a problem if being a tranny wasn't just a subjective "i feel like a woman so therefore i'm a woman." The North Carolina law, for example, didn't bar trannies from using the bathroom of their chosen gender, all it required was for them to go to the DMV and go through the process of officially changing the gender on their birth certificate.

Try again dingaling, I've been using Veeky Forums for over a decade.

>It wouldn't be a problem if being a tranny wasn't just a subjective "i feel like a woman so therefore i'm a woman."

Explain to me how this is an issue whatsoever. Protip: it's still illegal to sexually harass people.

Pervs and creeps who aren't transgender "identifying" as women in order to use a woman's bathroom to perv out.

>it's still illegal to sexually harass people.

It really isn't. Telling random straight, white men that they are the oppressors of the world and should check their privilege is considered normal these days and yet it constitutes both racism and sexism.

Not everywhere on the website is a bitter virgin hugbox like /v/ or /pol/

So then they're committing a crime. What does that have to do with trans people? Your entire argument is that people who aren't actually trans might be gross and creepy, ergo, we shouldn't let trans people use appropriate bathrooms. How does that make any sense?

>Telling random straight, white men that they are the oppressors of the world and should check their privilege

Most people would laugh at you if you did that. Do you people even know normal, well-adjusted adults in the real world?

>Most people would laugh at you if you did that

You obviously haven't been to a university in the U.S these days.

>uses "Veeky Forums types" and "creepshaming"
>I've been using Veeky Forums for over a decade.

At this point, it doesn't matter how long you've been here. You probably have as much to do with this website as moot does.

No, my entire argument is that there should be a process to officially change ones gender to avoid a possible loophole that men could exploit in order to use women's facilities.

The only people who seem to think there are men just biting at the chain to put on a dress and peep under stalls in the women's room are folks like you trying to push these nonsense pointless laws. If anyone if the pervert, it's you, things like this don't even cross normal peoples' minds.

Making life harder for a small group of people people because a different group of people are acting hypothetically shitty doesn't make sense on any level whatsoever.

>he likes RamZPaul

You manipulable, azoic, mouthbreather. I bet you beat off to Stefan Molyneux too.

>He was a libertarian before libertarianism became more accepted.

Jesus fucking Christ.

>there should be a process to officially change ones gender
I disagree. There should be some way to identify a trans person. Personally, I want to stick to natural females.

Don't worry there's a misunderstanding, I don't AGREE with him, I'm a marxist, I just think he's kind of funny.

>I only read the parts I wanted to be angry at!

First of all, there already have been cases of people exploiting the lax rules regarding the gender separation of bathrooms in order to creep on women. This isn't hypothetical. Second, the point of laws is to find suitable ways to deal with abhorrent cases. All in all, murder is an absurdly rare occurrence in everyday life. We still write laws that criminalize it and keep felons from accessing weapons that'll make it easier to commit. We don't refuse to write those laws on the basis that the crime is rare, and therefore ignorable. And third, asking someone to go the DMV once isn't making their life harder. That's fucking ridiculous.

They don't come right out and say it but it's strongly implied. I took a intro to philosophy class and female students were allowed more time in class than male students to correct a "gender imbalance" in the philosophy department.

Our grades depended on that participation, 5% is 5%. Funny thing though, few girls put up their hand anyway so it made no difference.

the irony of this post and most of this thread is delicious

How can people not understand this sort of thing is a passing fad?

You're a bitch and Jeff wouldn't like you

>How can people not understand this sort of thing is a passing fad?

> Brainwashing is probably a passing fad

Sure let's roll the dice

Some old hippies virtue signaling is not the end of the world.

>there already have been cases of people exploiting the lax rules regarding the gender separation of bathrooms in order to creep on women

So they're criminals. I don't see any trans people doing anything wrong here that justifies making life more difficult for them.

>murder is an absurdly rare occurrence in everyday life. We still write laws that criminalize it

So we're in agreement that you should criminalize things directly, e.g. implementing stricter sexual abuse laws.

>asking someone to go the DMV once isn't making their life harder

In Alabama after they implemented voter registration laws, they closed DMVs in like half the counties in the states (majority black counties, by the way). Plus getting your gender marker changed costs money and many states require you to have gotten bottom surgery, which is fucking expensive by the way, if they allow it at all.

Do you live in a cave?

It's not a passing fad at all.

youtube.com/watch?v=RC-Cqkq6zWc

One has to be pretty god damn dumb to be brainwashed by this shit. That's good too. Dumb people should be brainwashed. As a society our ultimate goal is to exist and whatever makes that easiest is naturally what we tend towards. It doesn't stop you personally from being an entirely free individual.

BLM is the definition of a fad. There were plenty of black supremacists and afrocentrists in the past, they died out and you laugh at people like Farrakhan now.

>There were plenty of black supremacists and afrocentrists in the past

Not being admitted to one of the top universities in the world.

It's easy to laugh at Farrakhan because he runs a crackpot cult, but it should be more disturbing that this is happening at universities that's supposed to educate the next generation of leaders.

Bad argument desu

It what sense? I don't really have any strong convictions and I use anonymous websites as a way to disprove/addapt ideas that pop into my head as sounding good so please elaborate

What should bother you more is the political correctness in classrooms across the western world, over half your kid's school books will be by women and non Europeans

>"a review committee... has determined that, so far, this history book is not making enough of an effort to include the contributions of women and minority groups. Unless some effort is undertaken to correct this situation, this book will not be approved for purchase by public school systems in absolutely vast quantities."
I just think of this

>So they're criminals. I don't see any trans people doing anything wrong here that justifies making life more difficult for them.
Laws pertaining to public security by definition make lives more difficult. Whether they be speed limits, jaywalking laws, laws regarding loitering and soliciting. This isn't a good enough excuse to refuse to enact them.

>So we're in agreement that you should criminalize things directly, e.g. implementing stricter sexual abuse laws.
We criminalize things indirectly all the time. That's the entire premise of gun control.

>getting your gender marker changed costs money and many states require you to have gotten bottom surgery,
So people who haven't gone through gender reassignment surgery should be able to use the bathroom of their adopted gender?

Over half the people in the world are women and non Europeans so this makes sense.

What did he do?