What the hell happened to textbooks?

They used to be fairly dense with information, well explained, and coherent. Now they seem to be filled with irrealavant and distracting fluff that isn't of no use to the student.

I had my cousin over for a visit today, and he had me help him with some of his trig homework. The textbook they were having him read was complete and utter garbage compared to the textbook I had that was published in 84.

Why do they give students today's such shitty textbooks? Why the hell are they still even publishing new editions of books covering basic concepts like trigonometry and calculus? it not like anything has changed between a hundred years ago and now regarding the fundamentals calc, trig, and many other areas of study.

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HEY GUYS, LET'S BUILD A CAPITALIST ECONOMIC SYSTEM IN WHICH THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION OF TEXTBOOKS ARE IN THE HANDS OF LARGE COMPANIES AND MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF STUDENTS ARE IN NEED OF TEXTBOOKS EACH YEAR!

GEE, I WONDER WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG!

The issue isn't capitalism. The issue is the fact school is publicly funded and the free market has zero say in determining matters( such as what textbook to use) as there are no penalties in getting it wrong.

BINGO!

>Why do they give students today's such shitty textbooks? Why the hell are they still even publishing new editions of books covering basic concepts like trigonometry and calculus? it not like anything has changed between a hundred years ago and now regarding the fundamentals calc, trig, and many other areas of study.

Because parents scream blood murder if they catch their kid using old textbooks. Just look at these articles that makes a big deal over using a textbook with a 1995 copyright.

>heraldnews.com/zz/shareable/20160916/8th-grader-had-to-teach-math-class-for-month-because-detroit-schools-were-so-understaffed-lawsuit-alleges-video
>businessinsider.com/michigan-public-schools-lawsuit-2016-9

Quite the opposite. There is no free market system involved in public education instead "mother" state makes all the decisions about what's best. So corrupt politicians are easily swayed to make terrrible decisions. It's essentially a socialist system, thus making your point invalid and rather ignorant. Try watching less CNN and instead learn to think for yourself.

>the textbook I had that was published in 84.

You stole your textbook?

>all government but the military is bad maymay

gb2

The problem isn't capitalism, it's the profs. They're the ones making the calls w.r.t. books. Some schools/depts are actually very good about keeping the costs down, but not most public unis.

This. With schools forced to use the latest editions of textbooks, the (((publishers))) like Pearson, McGraw-Hill and Cengage Learning just keep printing the same fucking material and exercises but call it a different edition. And worse, sometimes they take material off the textbook and put it online or in some CD.

I bought it in 83

My textbook this semester is strictly online and will expire after the class is done.

Because why would I ever want to keep my textbook after I'm done with the class, right?

Right?

Muh free market.

The problem with free market in education is people don't know if they're being educated until they graduate and try to get a job. Note ITT Tech and similar cases. We can't go half and half on government controlled education without it being taken advantage of. At the very least the books should be free. You don't really need the teachers if the book is good.

my textbooks are dense as fuck, idk what you're talking about

and you have to know all the material, it's all testable :/

Dover books.

>Trigonometry
>Textbook
>Not deriving all of trig from basic axioms

policy makers can't understand why our childrens isn't learning so they gradually dumb what they're looking for in a textbook down

we switched from quality-focused teaching programs to "no child left behind" bullshit, where money is thrown at unmotivated retards

massive government contracts fuel the textbook industry. Government then forces all departments to use new editions )solely from the company they made the deal with) every year. Definitely some great free market competition going on there with all the right incentives in place

this

this book was published in 1975

>free market solves everything, including school curriculum
Top fucking lel. You know you're dealing with an Amurriclap when you hear bullshit like that.

I'm surprised they are even able to fill a whole book with just trig.

I think these people are complaining the physical copies of the textbooks are old, not that th copyright is old. There's a difference.

Of course, because of how lucrative the textbook industry is it often ends up that old copyright automatically equals old textbook, but in theory, a textbook could be perfectly new but have an old copyright.

I'm not sure why schools insist on using the latest editions of textbooks other than that it simply becomes harder to obtain old editions since the editors no longer print them, but the industry needs to be reeled in. Selling first year college textbooks guarantees an insane profit margin and it essentially holds the student captive since problems in lower division classes are often assigned out of the book.

(((i see nothing wrong with this)))

What the heck do you talk about in a trigonometry textbook? How the heck do you find enough material for that?

>Selling first year college textbooks guarantees an insane profit margin and it essentially holds the student captive since problems in lower division classes are often assigned out of the book.
Don't even get started with fucking online homework codes. These essentially force you to buy not only the newest edition of the book, but a new COPY of the book, because if you buy a used copy, you sure as hell know it's not going to have a usable access code. I will never understand why professors assign (or are forced to assign) this garbage online homework. If they assigned paper homework, they could hire a few more TA's and give them plenty of busywork, plus the students wouldn't have to spend hundreds of dollars just so they can get a grade in the fucking course.

That's why true intellectuals only read Dover texts.

Because the entire education system is designed to produce compliance, not intelligence.

You can thank the generations of people complaining that mathematics should be taught from a real world common sense perspective instead of formally and abstractly.

>education industry is literally an entertainment industry
>people still falling for it
muh jobs

Self lobotomizing for handouts from the oligarchs

Its time to rise up and overthrow the system. Eat the elite. Literally consume their flesh for sustenance. It is the only way.

>go to physics class EM field and Magnetic field
>calculating the capacitance, electric potential, E field of retarded things
>get Feynman's book
>"I will into delve this because it's machine work and here, have how thunderstorms work!"
It's just a matter of doing it right.

I think the real issue is that the writers simply don't know how to write a book.

It's probably got something to do with the jews.

Except the same design model applies to private universities and just about any other place of higher learning. In fact, it is precisely because publishers know that they can large 'deals' by simply convincing a school (regardless of how it's funded) to use their textbook that they purposely cycle through 'new editions' while enticing prospective teachers with personal book gifts, support, etc. It's ridiculous to blame a public school system for what is a clear consequence of an out of control profit-motive.

Indeed, but often times they get their 'slice of cake' for picking out the latests edition. A lot of them are also influenced by publishers insistence that they need the latest product due to inclusion of digital/online features not available in the past.

>The fact that politicians are corrupted by corporate money and the millions spent on lobbying firms and the like
>shows public institutions are at fault, not the corporate heads paying for and promoting the lobbying/corruption
Gotta love this fallacy.

The best freshman professors are the one's who don't assign homework period and just give out suggested problems to practice for exams. Teaches self learning, and forces you learn how to motivate yourself to learn.

>all government but the military is bad maymay
>A bunch of flunkie lawyers whose sole claim to fame is being a smoother talker than their opponent has the education and knowledge necessary to make decisions on a child's education and upbringing.

It's not like departments have unlimited funds to pay for TA hours. Most universities are actually moving to pay fewer hours, which causes a labor shortage that leads to instructors being forced to adopt things like online assignments and other horseshit.