Is it possible to be well read and knowledgeable, yet exceptionally stupid?

Yes. Like most of this board for example.

None of this board has read anything substantial. Most of the board who has is long gone.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Boole#Death
>His wife poured water on him as he lay sick in bed because she thought that you could cure an illness with the cause of the illness, and therefore, since he'd gotten sick from the rain, water.

What a way to go.

Yes.

You could be the most well-read person in the world and still lack any useful practical skills. Theoretical knowledge only goes so far, without practical application you're dead weight.

For example, if you were hunting would you take the guy who's read 50 books on how to hunt but never hunted a day in his life, or the dumb as bricks guy who goes hunting every weekend?

I notice this on /ic/ a lot. Tons of people read fucktons of art books and never actually practice art. They know all the theory but they can't draw worth shit. Actual intelligence gets results, the rest is just pretentiously blowing hot air.

Yes, because there are many ways to be smart and many ways to be stupid. Some people are savants and some are the opposite, where the generally average with an average distribution of talent but are exceptionally bad at a particular area of life.

define stupid, intellect can be classified in numerous ways. Social intelligence, visceral, etc. In other words, yes.

No.

Every book read makes one smarter. It's a scientific fact.

Yes; this is how conspiracy theories proliferate.

>For example, if you were hunting would you take the guy who's read 50 books on how to hunt but never hunted a day in his life, or the dumb as bricks guy who goes hunting every weekend?

As a matter of practicality you would bring the guy who has been hunting a lot. But the guy who has read 50 books about hunting would clearly be a hunter. It seems to me very unlikely that there are situations in which someone reads that many non-fiction books about a specific practical topic without ever engaging in it himself.

Yes

Well read =/= knowledgeable. I know people that read a lot but they are stupid, and I find that they rarely remember what they've read. I talk to these people about books I know they've read as well and they look me as if I was speaking in another language.

Wow, are Africans really monkeys?

Yes that's the most reasonable conclusion man has given to date

No doubt.

People who suggest you could read yourself stupid need to kill themselves

>You could be living like you're meant to, hunting and scavenging, performing work with tangible rewards, being dazzled by the sublime power of the universe.
>Instead you're stuck at a job that makes you exhausted from the sheer lack of effort, sitting in front of a twittering screen.

Where did it all go wrong?

You for being a hypocrite

absolutely.

retaining information and calculating information are what is now considered "smart"

but in this there is no soul. So people boast of IQ scores and the like, as though this is the end all say all, when all it is is the most mundane aspect of intelligence. That being "how much work can you do compared to everyone else in the style/language/tradition of how we regiment and value that.

So IQ tells how well you can take an IQ test, which, due to its tailoring, ideally reflects demands of modern society.

Then memory/book smarts tells how good you are at reciting theories. basically repeating what you heard.

but real intelligence is something artful and creative. it involves a combination of inspiration, emotion, love, transmuted lust. It involves a working toward a higher ideal and the interaction of many aspects of intelligence to create a product which contains scientific, artistic, and emotional value, among others. it is the product of inspiration, refinement, practice. transmitting an idea into reality.

book smarts and IQ tests don't do that. the are just like pebbles used to count and are reserved for measuring large groups, not individuals.

and the catch to this is that only those working TOWARD that higher aim, can appreciate it.

because it precludes and exclusion of vanity, jealousy, envy and the like. One sees a great work of art and goes "wow, that is amazing!" and they exalt it as a value and example of WORK whereas in modern society such achievements are seen merely as something to envy and if it cannot ensure immediate material gain it is seen as undesireable.

for example, why are modern museums filled with shitty are? because people envy actual talent and are too busy jerking off and insulting one another and chasing money to respect someone's hard work at communicating a message.

real artists/geniuses are very similar. a scientist(a real one) and a musician or painter or sculpter or architect or physicist all are similar in a higher society because everything works toward a totality.

but modern society does not respect that. it is crude and filled with vice. it isn't really society.

so that's why real intelligence is not even recognized. so real genius is actually persecuted and ignored.

This board is filled with psueds now like never before

>reasonable

It's ignorance, not reason.

No but humans are really apes

what did I say that what pseud? is what I said not true?

everything i said is true. but if it reaching some higher aim you disregard it because you are just some shitbag jerkoff who doesn't really care about real truth or unifying anything. you want to just bang around on your tin cans and really, in the end, say nothing.

I'm a "pseud" but why? because I said something?

humans are very distinct from apes. for example, they have opposable thumbs and can speak. no ape can speak. maybe grunt and use very basic sign language, but they are incapable of singing. yet a bird can speak, but is very different from humans.

>what did I say that what pseud?

Everything

Language and a greater capacity for tool use certainly make us unique but we are still very clearly a direct relative if not a member of the great apes.

No. According to the ancients like Plato and Aristotle it is a contradiction to be well read, knowledgeable and also stupid. Its like asking

"Is it possible to be strong and fit but not athletic?"

One follows the other. If someone is stupid they are not well read. If someone is not athletic they are not fit. A person may may have read a lot but reading a lot does not mean 'well read'. Well read means comprehension of the text. You could make imbeciles read a book cover to cover without any necessary synthesis of information.

"great apes"

what ape is great?

and i don't mean language. humans singe, dance, build houses, make fire.

Humans have more in common with birds than they do apes.

The DNA of humans is also very similar to Banana and no missing link has ever been found.

Duck billed platypus has a beak but is a mammal with a bird beak. no one can explain this. they just talk and talk but no one has even proven anything. all they prove is that humans has an uncanny ability to talk and talk about unproven theories that destroy beauty rather than actually use their power to sing like birds.

but that is only for some humans, because other humans, especially the ones that do not cling to dusty theories about men being "descended" from apes, tend to be happier and sing more and create works of beauty that cause hateful envy.

maybe apes descended from humans? maybe humans that believe they are apes turned into apes?

Shut the fuck up

Is this nigger serious right now

I believe so, I'm working towards the well-read part now, I am very curious, but I am not smart.

I am not quick witted, I cannot hold a conversation, my memory is poor, my ability to tackle new subjects is average at best, I am easily confused.

I am, however, very good at feigning intelligence, without even trying. People really do think I'm smart when in fact I'm just an inquisitive dullard.

I'm talking like a fucking pretentious twat right now, in fact.

Define well read. I've read thousands of pages more than the average person on the street but most of those pages were in a comic book and I know for a fact I'm not an intelligent guy.

Great job proving his point.

Ummmm, yes. You're talking about the entire STEM side of the world and maybe 80% of humanities people.

Very accurate post. Unless you've come to the realization, devoid of any delusion, that most people are very stupid, you fall into the "stupid" demographic. Also, I'd like to say that genuinely intelligent people are oftentimes not who you'd spect them to be.

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>You're talking about the entire STEM side of the world
No he's not though. Pynchon studied engineering for a while, and later applied to do maths.
At a push I could accept that this applies for most of the STE world, but there's a decent correlation between aptitude for abstract mathematics and philosophy, and in turn, creative writing.

Seriously, some of the best writers I've ever met have been mathematicians. I think it's partly down to the fact that most humanities folks I know who write are making awful tumblr "you're in my veins, you fuck"-tier shit, whereas STEMers who are interested in literature are slightly less likely to be such insufferable pseuds.

>Unless you've come to the realization, devoid of any delusion, that most people are very stupid, you fall into the "stupid" demographic.
There's still a very good chance you fall into the stupid demographic though:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
It's not like you can guarantee your realisation is devoid of delusion, is it?

I'll agree with you. I'm majoring in EECS because it was the least insufferable major I could think of, and because it can afford me good career opportunities. I still have a significantly greater love for literature and philosophy, though.

Yeah, I'm not saying they would be able to identify if it were free of delusion or not, I'm just saying that the Dunning-Kruger Effect shouldn't be in play in that decision.

Who is this nut slut?

Yes. Stupidity is genetic, ignorance is a choice.

*tips fedora*

Humans are separate from nature IT SAYS SO IN THE BIBLE.

>to be well read and knowledgeable, yet exceptionally stupid?
It is a fundamental law of the universe bro. Just ask Socrates.

All humans are apes

wow that makes way more sense than Linnaeus XD thnks

I a neet that spends his time reading about the occult, hermticism, qaballah, the Gnostics, satanism.
I have also explored philosophy, the greeks, Nietzsche, Deleuze, marx, chomsky, zizek, foucault,Sartre, kant, etc

I am very aware that politicians are beholden to capital, that the western world is run by psychotic globalists, organized religion is a form of control, SJW's are center right authoritarians obsessed with idinitty, not a threat to capitalism, but a pawn of it, they beg capitalism to cater to their sexuality, race, gender, etc
Politcal correctness does not solve problems but makes liberals feel better about themselves.
If you or your group is a threat to the global capitalist order you are obliterated through the corporate media, society, sent agent provecutures and controlled opposition.
The media, a tentecal of the elite is owned by 6 different corporations who broadcast the ideals of western global capitalism around the world, destroying native cultures.
I cant tie my shoes

U got it down tho bruh

Yes. There are loads of people like this.

yes. marxists are an excellent example

Frog here, we're not well-read nor particularly knowledgeable, just pretentious as fuck.

This user is clearly high and or retarded.

Still, the mention of making a fire brings up a decent point. How many people on Veeky Forums are capable of making fire without a lighter or matches. You spend hours upon hours looking at little symbols on paper that convey make-believe stories, but you can't make fire. OP's pic can probably make fire and would consider you all retarded manchildren.

>>Still, the mention of making a fire brings up a decent point. How many people on Veeky Forums are capable of making fire without a lighter or matches

The ability to make a fire via kindling and rubbing wood together, does not make or break potential intelligence. Are you retarded

Most people who think they're intelligent are exceptionally stupid. They are those that accumulate 'knowledge' and paint it as a personality.

They're the Modern Ideologues: that is individuals identifying on both sides of the spectrum that deem a certain epoch a 'dark age', believe themselves a persecuted minority that is hunted by a larger establishment, have very contrived religious views, and have a predictable vocabulary.
The Five Ways is based upon the philosophy of Aristotle and exists only to act as an example of the Ontological argument, for the sake of doing so itself, and to provide a logically consistent answer that the Aristotelian empiricists could understand. St. Aquinas understood that faith was the way to God.

You only dislike it because it contradicts your progressive ideology; you're a revisionist.

Lack of specialisation doesn't make savages superior.

But if this is true who then created God? Or is it implied that he has always been and always shall be?

>who created God
Every highschooler/college freshman ever.

So sad that this should be common knowledge but people who are aware of aforementioned are considered smart, or rather consider themselves so. Tears escape my eyes as I pray- to no God in particular- for a Muslim Caliphate.

The definition of what is a genius is vague.
Does a person having a good memory make them smart?
What is smart, you can explain Nietzsche to me but you cant charm a woman?
There is this thing with intellectuals, they have all this knowledge but they dont use it, they also feel emasculated towards actual men.
Men who hunt, or go to war, or know how to survive in da woods.

Its, Athens and Sparta.
Which one are you.

Inb4 try hard uses some other culture like mongols or some shit.

You see, another thing about smart people, they think everyone else is stupid, acting stupid is actually a really good tactic if you are smart, this is what trolls do, this is what con artists do, this is what trump does.
They know liberal intellectuals cant help themselves, everyone must be corrected.

This sounds like something that only a person who doesn't know how to make fire would say.

>muslim

did you just ignore the part where i said organized religion is a form of control?
Have fun stoning women to death while a saudi king parties with prostitutes on a yacht.

The way i see it, spirituality is a tool against materialism.
But the mainstream religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam) are now just tools of control, as are the other mainstream ones.

But atheism disgusts me as well.

So i think if you are interested in religion or spirituality one must create their own life philosophy, or follow the ancient gods that are no longer worshiped.

I recently decided to follow hypnos and Morpheus, the ancient greek gods of sleep and dreams, i will try to contact them through lucid dreaming.
This is way more interesting to me than praying to the god of Abraham who does not care.

holy fuck, please let this be bait

Y'just proved OP's imposition

Hmm I guess you don't understand where I'm coming from but that's okay. A Muslim Caliphate must be chosen based on merit, piety, intelligence, knowledge, etc. I've been beating around the bush of underground Islam and its culture. They despise Saudi Arabia, and view the west as the opposite of islam. So they avoid going there. They don't like technology and especially the Internet. So the state will be primitive and cut off from the rest of the world. There are rules to follow, if you disagree you have to either leave or get punished. From what I've seen, these people who are very well-read and capable of seriously running a state, can create something I long for. A disciplined good-willed society where you just have to follow certain rules and live a pure non toxic life. Very similar to a minimalist's life, very simple and good natured. It is rather delusional of me but I think it'll be much better than whatever we have now. I spent a lot of time with them and they're people who are good at heart and very friendly and you can't feel paranoid or under threat. It felt like I was inhaling oxygen for the same time even though I'm an atheist drunk. Eventually I can see myself traveling to Mauritania or something and becoming a Muslim.

>nothing can move itself therefore there must be a first mover
More like therefore there CAN'T be a first mover.

Plenty of complete idiots go on to get college degrees.

>good at heart

yeah, until you arent a muslim, then its choppy choppy time.

Islam is a barbaric religion of expansion no matter what liberals say.
Just read the histories of iran, spain, india.

You want to know the real difference between the west and the middle east?
The enlightenment.
Christianity embraced secularism, which meant embracing non christian ideas which lead to social and technological revolutions which lead to power.

Islam as is is just a violent form of control.

>acting stupid is actually a really good tactic if you are smart,

From my experience it seems pretty common for smart people to downplay their intelligence while stupid people exaggerate theirs.

No a lot of non Muslims, like me, join as well sometimes. No one ever went choppy choppy, they treat us like Muslims.
You have a lot to learn, I suggest you dive in like me instead of reading pol threads and such.
One critical point is the whold bombing and such, just so you don't mention it again. They're against these stuff because the west is the west, and it's not their land ie a Muslim land to begin with. They usually say: it's not a Muslim country, why should we care what they do and say? If you don't like it there leave.
Generally they are anti-anarchism so no revolutionary talk and such because the law is almost sacred to them, you have to either obey or leave.

>they treat us like Muslims

And what if you dont want to be a muslim?

You know Afghanistan used to be a Buddhist country?

Islam isnt self critical, this leads to idiots like you wanting to live in desert shitholes thinking you can take on the american military, while some fat guy in California just pushes a button to send the drone.

Muslims were defeated by jews in 6 days.
Muslim suicide attacks are a sign of impotence.

You fucking retard I just addressed these points above. Filthy illiterate nigger.

Christianity is to Qadiriyya as Islam is to Tijaniyya.

Guess which one tends to attract more intelligent, wealthier, higher-quality people?

trolled hard

I know. Oh the shame, the shame, the shame.

>wealthy

Nigger, anyone actually follows these religions would not care about that.
Jesus literally went into a bank and beat the shit out of a bunch of jew money lenders with a whip.

The first 2 are quantitative attributes, the other one a qualitative one.

So yes

>>Where did it all go wrong?
>>paleobullshit
probably a long time ago in your case. Also nobody is stopping you from going to LARP in the forest

>Jesus literally went into a bank and beat the shit out of a bunch of jew money lenders with a whip.

>went into a bank

Here in the US, we call those synagogues, but I hear what you're saying.

Yes, you can memorize different concepts and knowledge but not actually understand it. Take fox news presenters. I'm ssure they have degrees from reputable colleges and have "read" about their subjects. Yet if you listen to them you'll understand that they have no comprehensive & empathic knowledge towards most of their claims.

That's not the same though. I know a lot of people really talented in STEM who don't read "serious literature" and have surprisingly primitive views on everything outside their field.

Any highschooler can come up with this question, but no serious theologian can answer it.

The concept of a prime mover is a logical contradiction, and the only argument against endless regress is "I don't want to think about it."

>>really talented
>Boole
>your STEMfag friends
no, user.

>but no serious theologian can answer it.
But that's wrong;

God is non-contingent by nature of omnipotence.

Also, from that God exists inherently and exists regardless of any 'proof' against His existence.

>but no serious theologian can answer it.

Please my fedora friend. Many theologians have answered this question. it is the most basic and one of the worst criticisms of theology.

www3.nd.edu/~jspeaks/courses/2009-10/10100/LECTURES/5-leibniz.pdf

if you don't feel like reading that just watch this 5 minute video
youtube.com/watch?v=kKKIvmcO5LQ

omnipotence in a god and free will in humans are mutually exclusive ideas. either god doesnt exist or morality doesnt. checkm8 christfag.

That's why so many of them are libertarians.

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>The DNA of humans is also very similar to Banana and no missing link has ever been found.

Then how does anything move you imbecile? My goodness.

Nothing moves.

100% wrong.