Holy shit, they're using zie and see pronouns in the new issue of Analog. What the fuck has SF become?

Holy shit, they're using zie and see pronouns in the new issue of Analog. What the fuck has SF become?

*zer

sexuality fiction?

>speculative fiction is barred from speculating about gender-atypical societies
>politics limiting aesthetics
shiggity

I don't care, let them.

>What the fuck has SF become?

well first let's find out what sf used to be like, let's say, 20 years ago

>1995
>Distress by Greg Egan
>Egan uses his hypothetical future to postulate the existence of not just one but five new genders, and introduces a set of new pronouns for gender neutral people. One of the central characters of the novel, Akili Kuwale, provides a demonstration of this change and its implications. As an asexual human, Akili has had all reproductive organs removed entirely. Within the scope of the novel, Egan uses the pronouns 've', 'ver', and 'vis' to represent Akili's definitive gender neutrality.

oh

let's go back another ten years then

>1984
>Stars in My Pocket like Grains of Sand by Samuel R. Delany
>“…‘she’ is the pronoun for all sentient individuals of whatever species who have achieved the legal status of ‘woman’. The ancient, dimorphic form ‘he’, once used exclusively for the genderal indication of males (cf. the archaic term man, pl. men), for more than a hundred-twenty years now, has been reserved for the general sexual object of ‘she’, during the period of excitation, regardless of the gender of the woman speaking or the gender of the woman referred to.”

oh

i guess these must be obscure authors of no consequence in the community then

>Greg Egan
>john w campbell award, hugo award, locus award, many nominations

>Samuel R. Delany
>three nebula awards, two hugo awards, endless nominations

oh

Wait until you read Clockwork Orange, he's not even using real words!

Why not just use singular they desu.

It's true, have any of you ever really heard Russian? It's just a pretend language.

Because that doesn't fit the aesthetic. It would read differently if you used they instead of zie or whatever it is.

>Herland is a utopian novel from 1915, written by feminist Charlotte Perkins Gilman. The book describes an isolated society composed entirely of women, who reproduce via parthenogenesis (asexual reproduction). The result is an ideal social order: free of war, conflict, and domination.
>Ursula K. Le Guin's The Left Hand of Darkness (1969) depicts a world in which individuals are neither "male" nor "female" but at different times have either female or male sexual organs and reproductive abilities, making them in some senses intersex.

alt-right/sad puppies (including OP) are demonstrably idiots

Are you arguing the SJWification of science fiction hasn't intensified in the last decade? Or are you pointing out that because you can cite a few examples from 20 years ago it somehow justifies it?

>alt-right/sad puppies (including OP) are demonstrably idiots

Explain why without resorting to an empty, emotion-laden argument

>complains about others using 'empty, emotion-laden argument'
>whines about 'SJWification', the emptiest strawman of mediocre angry young white males there is

Your thread is shit, you are shit, kill yourself

The aesthetic isn't so aesthetically pleasing, though.

why does this bother you so much

oh no the sjwification is intensifying to the point where we may not be able to contain it

why contain it?

s'cool

Not all aesthetics are there to please you tho bro.

He demonstrated it aptly by giving two examples of 100 and 50 year old sci-fi that covers the same issues. He made no judgement on your position aside from the fact that sci-fi hasnt become anything, its exactly as it was. Shit.

faggot

Scifi is a shit-tier genre with an even worse community that's devolved into a bunch of wizards and landwhales virtue-signalling into infinity but OP you are autistic for getting worked up about switching up pronouns in spec fiction.

>Scifi is but a shit-tier genre
>with an even worse community
>that's devolved into a bunch of wizards and landwhales
>virtue-signalling into infinity

Macbet, Act V, Scene 5

Speculative fiction stopped being about speculating, for the most part, when it gathered a devoted fanbase.

>alt-right/sad puppies (including OP) are demonstrably idiots

obviously. why else are they reading sci-fi?

It's not emotional at all. He literally demonstrated why you are a dipshit, and said that he demonstrated it.

Idea: Macbot is a robot that rises to power after being infected by the virus 3w1tch that causes him to overthrow his human overlords. In the end it and its army are destroyed by genetically modified clones grown in vats.

They use a random weird word when they or them is fine. It makes me feel like I'm reading a Tumblr fan fiction

It's annoying

ugly

your home is over here

I'm not saying you can't write about gender identity, but using zie and zer is pretty ridiculous.

No, it's just typical fiction.

So? Who gives a shit?

Okay, so how about if someone prefers to be referred to with one of these more recent pronouns. Do you respect that?

Yeah, but in writing its weird to use it.

hey muad'dib, take this crysknife before the shai-hulud comes, just don't call anybody xir because that's too weird for science fiction

Even then, it's technically still fiction.