I've been researching Pornography and whether or not NoFap is bullshit. It's full of anecdotal evidence...

I've been researching Pornography and whether or not NoFap is bullshit. It's full of anecdotal evidence. I looked up the author of "your brain on porn" (Gary Wilson)and there's nothing about it. All I got was that he was a science teacher.

Now on the other hand, this guy called David J Ley Ph.D. Who has a PHD says that porn isn't bad. And that it's "porn addiction" is just a symptom.

Obviously masturbation is healthy and there is science to prove that. But there doesn't seem to be any concrete evidence that Porn is bad.

Starting to think it's just like alcohol. Where it's bad for you but only impacts your life if you let it. And that abstaining from it would be best. The phd guy says thought that porn doesn't cause ED. But noporn dude says that it does. However, phd guy's books don't get good reviews while nofap does. That could probs be explained by their cult behaviour.

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>researching

>I've been researching Pornography

it doesn't affect your brain at a fundamental level per se, but it changes your response to chemicals that affect bonding in human relationships. basically it's not bad for YOU but it's bad for your future love life

I was taught the importance of a hands-on approach.

>needing a cientific essay to understand how porn can damage you
look pal i'll say its like a proccess.

you can get so good at porn that you dont let it damage you and it actually makes you a better person by realizing how shitty and retarded most of it is.
meat can also fucking kill you if thats the only thing you eat, so, its all about you really.

Basically your life decisions on the results of scientific surveys or studies is autistic. Believing that all researchers are altruistic and infallible is naive. Do what is right for yourself by making decisions in your life. Does porn or your relationship with it cause you distress? Maybe try cutting down on it or getting rid of it altogether. Does this prospect scare you? Then maybe you do have a "problem." Use your common judgment, dude. I'd say jacking to porn everyday or for more than an hour at a time is probably an indication that you are reliant on it and it may keep you from fulling committing to seek a sexual and intimate relationship with another person. But if you have no problem, you have no problem. Results are just words on a paper. You live a real life.

Goddammit I just keep downloading more and more porn. I can't stop.

>I've been researching Pornography

>those boobies
>that ass

Gimme a source mang

ok faggot, not OP but I need an answer.

does nofap help me increase my testosterone, lower my oxytocine and cure my PE?

Isn't everyone researching Pornography?

IM ADDICTED TO PORN! HELP ME! I CANT QUIT IT ! IT'S GOT A HOLD ON ME!

Anything is psychologyically addictive. Eating sidewalk chalk can become a psychological addiction. Porn is one of those things that is rather easy to abuse and gain a dependce for, due to ease of access and the biological "want" for sex. So yes porn can be bad, but is it always in every situation? No, like the other poster said, think of it like alcohol. Do some people use it and have a problem? Yes. Does everyone use it and have a problem? No. By problem I mean couldn't stop using if the user wanted to

subtle kek

The "NoFap" thing is basically complete bullshit.

>Basically your life decisions on the results of scientific surveys or studies is autistic. Believing that all researchers are altruistic and infallible is naive. Do what is right for yourself by making decisions in your life.
>Results are just words on a paper. You live a real life.
Stop.

WHERE THE FUCK IS THE SAUCE, FAGGOT?

I NEED TO STIMULATE MY GENITALS WHILE PRETENDING TO PUT THEM INSIDE THIS FEMALE MEMBER OF THE HUMAN SPECIES!!!

>Why isn't there a sticky for life where somebody else does the research for me and tells me how to live

>

Is it bad to masturbate for 5+ hours??

Asking for a friend

just google her, literally the first result.

Have you actually tried nofap?

not him, but i did nofap for 2 months, and had none of the magical shit happen to me. girls didn't start approaching me like people say they do, afterwards I asked my friends if the noticed any changes recently, none noticed anything that people claim happens after nofap. I didnt become horny whenever a girl talked to me to the point that i had no choice but try and get laid all the time like some claim, if anything my sexual desires went down afgter the first 3 weeks to the point that i didnt get any erections at all. The first time after the 2 moths i fapped again I had to force myself to do it, and it was uncompterble as hell, second time was better and by the 3rd time it was actually pleasurable again.

did not viewing porn help? Do you still view porn?

I tried no porn, no fap, porn with fap, no porn with fap, and porn, no fap. nothing changed with any permutation of it. Now i mostly view stuf like derpibooru.org/1312444

>derpibooru.org/1312444

I cant even make fun of bronies. Ive fapped to goofy inces and mom cuckery

>I've been researching Pornography
So give name and sauce on that semen demon

When you're done wasting your time syst researching addictions and how people try and fail to quit them

yeah not masturbating can just make you depressed and non-horny.
the idea that whenever you dont get to "release" you "build up steam" until you essentially "explode" is complete bullshit.
thats true for non-depressed 12 year old boys surrounded by tight 12 year old girls wiggling their asses in their face 24/7, smelling of fish.

it is not true if you're out of puberty or depressed.

for example people like to think that men that dont get laid are more likely to rape, but it's the other way around: rapists usually get laid frequently.

>derpibooru.org/1312444
I see you are pushing the boundaries

>The "NoFap" thing is basically complete bullshit.

Depends on what you define as bullshit.

I can only speak for myself and I also can't explain it from a biochemistry standpoint but "nofap" definitely improves how I feel. This might or might not be linked to mild a bipolar disorder I suspect I have.

For some time after I fap the endorphin rush makes me very passive, lazy and sluggish for many days. I feel like mostly sleeping and I feel like shit overall (possible triggers a depressive episode?). If I only fap once and then pause for several days the effect is a lot less pronounced and the more days I fap in succession the deeper it seems to drag me down.

When I stop fapping for several days after a week or so I start feeling a lot more energetic and like I'm ready to actually accomplish things. I doesn't help that I get more horny as time passes (which is not surprising) but often I force myself not to fap knowing that it will affect my mood for several days in exchange for a couple minutes of pleasure.

I wouldn't know about the supposed effects on the opposite sex others claim to have observed. The effect on my own mood is directly observable though so in that regard, at least to me, it's not bullshit.

God
Look at the way she smushes her titty with her arm

Gott damn.

>Obviously masturbation is healthy and there is science to prove that

This word for word. At least for me personally, I really think there's something to nofap. No superpowers, just exactly what this user said.

don't know about the female side of the picture but at least for guys, there's plenty of studies showing that any form of regular ejaculation significantly reduces risk of prostrate cancer and reduces stress among other things

it also prevents the inevitable pain in the ass messy wet dreams

I have a PhD and I agree porn is bad. It's like any addiction which prompts a dopamine release just like drugs, tobacco, alcohol and other "rewarding" past-times.

In small amounts it's fine, but overdo it and you'll become a slave to that addiction and the chemical reward it offers.

Meanwhile you spend all your time looking at images that re-wire your brain to associate the reward with certain visual stimuli like specific sexual situations and the associated fantasies or thought patterns that go with them.

Before long you can't get hard without thinking about those specific stimuli or enacting them in person. Basically desensitising yourself one fap at a time

t. a porn addict

>it also prevents the inevitable pain in the ass messy wet dreams
This never happens.

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sex/masturbation probably are good for you

masturbating to porn, not as much, but that's more because it desensitizes you to sex and then it's harder to have sex for real

It absolutely happens to me. Can't go longer than a week or two fapless without a wet dream occurring. They're fun until you wake up at 3AM and get pissed off because you have to get out of bed and clean yourself up. As long as I fap regularly it doesn't happen.

I've heard this varies from guy to guy and is often tied to sex drive strength but I have nothing to verify that.

not him but i've never had wet dreams before

>I've been researching Pornography

this is the content i come here for

99% people have been researching it
>tfw 99% of them dont have a major

just enjoy your life.

porn is bad
frequent masturbation is somewhat bad
weekly masturbation is ideal

>there is literally no way shitting out tons of protein from your body could do anything negative
>there is no way fapping to other people fucking people you want to fuck could do anything to your mind

Way too many confounding variables there, plus placebo effect.

I'm addicted to porn. I masturbate on average probable 3 times a day. I can't speak for everyone of course, but it's definitely negatively affected my life, social skills and I think health. Of course this is purely anecdotal

Guys it's my 5th day.
Yesterday morning I was horny for hours and my pecker was swollen at rest.
I'm thinking about approaching ugly chicks I might have chances with.
The problem is that I fear not being aroused enough to perform.
What do?

>get addicted to porn and stare at a computer screen for hours per day, wanking

Yes clearly this is a harmful addiction

You must have a part of your brain missing.

That "protein" is just sitting in your balls doing nothing. Not like your body is going to eat away at your future offspring to build up muscle.

It's important to take matters into hand and have a firm grip on the problem.

>tfw three weeks in
I'm afraid I'm going to slip up desu.

Get a girl friend and you won't need to watch porn again.

Explain.

I'm horny and want to jerk off. I've been abstaining from porn for a little more than three weeks.

Just have sex, bro.

Would this be a good thread to discuss the philosophical works of Dowman Sayman?

Or does that fall more under Veeky Forums?

>porn addiction" is just a symptom.
the question is how easily once can become addicted/dependent on it. Porn does change you, and almost entirely for the worse when you're addicted to it

jerk off from your head dumb dumb
alternatively

If you can go on for 5 hours then by all means keep up the good work.

>all these fucking replies and no one ask for source
give me source on pic related, op

Jesus Christ, did you actually buy into this "no fap and girls will find you more attractive" bullshit?

Did you honestly think girls would begin approaching you just becasue you hadn't rubbed one out for a couple of months?

Listen friend, this is what you have to do if you want to start regularly fucking girls. It may be tough at first, but its the smart move for a guy in your situation.

You have to aim low. You start with picking the low fruit. At first. Yes, that means showing an interest in any ugly, fat or otherwise undesirable woman.

Look at it as an act of charity. You might actually change her for the better (this is possible although unlikely though ).

Now here's the interesting thing. Once you have a girlfriend, ANY GIRLFRIEND, women will start to take more interest in you. I don't know why but it is true. They are weird fucking animals. And here's another thing: Men will respect you more, because you have stepped up from being a total loser to being just at the bottom of the alpha ladder. That's a huge difference.Believe me. Just having a girlfriend, even an ugly fat one, is like getting 90% on an exam, where guys with hot sexy girlfriends are scoring 100%.
Not having a girlfriend is scoring 0% on the exam. See the difference?

Now the good news is that once you have passed that first hurdle you can work your way up. You will now find it a lot easier to talk to girls, socialize and pick up gradually more attractive girlfriends in the future.

In other words you just keeping on trading in your old model for a better one.

You have to define "bad for you".
Are you going to lose a fucking arm or something? Will you be socially awkward?
No obviously to the first, people are already socially awkward probably regardless of porn.
So what does "bad for you" mean? You aren't injecting a new chemical to your body like alcohol, tobacco, heroine, or even marijuana.
As to the effects of constant stimulation, how would it be any different than daredevils, parkour enthusiasts, motocross drivers, and such?
Dunno how you can relate it to cult behavior, religious endeavors work on people that are under the impression fiction is reality, porn would be more akin to video games, you're only engaging in a fantasy, but you know its just a fantasy, unless you're about to go allahu ackbar'ing in the name of porn I don't see how you can even get close to cult-like social harm or real harm.

As for addiction, anyone can be addicted to anything, it's a rather vague term, there were those freaks in asian countries that died in internet cafes from playing nonstop for days, they're an extreme minority given how many fucking people in the world play different video games.

In any case I circle back to my first question, what do you define as "bad for you" that is somehow not the same as any other pseudo-scientific "bad" or even "good" for you crap?

Here's my two cents OP.

For the average guy sex is just way over rated. Its messy, its inconsistent, its time consuming and it comes loaded with emotional baggage. It often doesn't go as we want, and we often find it disappointing.

Now add the fact that most guys never get to have the mind blowing great sex that movies and porn lead us to believe.Hell most girls dont know the first thing about fucking.Many just want to lie on their backs and get fucked, and that is it. That gets old very quickly.

The problem with porn is not just the instant gratification, the ease of stimulation and the absence of "lead up" stress ( possible rejection and humiliation, especially in front of your peers ) but the totally unrealistic expectations its leads us to have about sex in the first place.

In other words many guys find real sex to be a total let down in comparison to the fantasies and loads they have blown while jerking off to porn.

...Seriously? Even if what you said was true, the body would still have to produce MORE sperm after an ejaculation to replace what came out, pulling from its available protein supply that could go to other things.

Thing is, sperm don't live forever. If they sit in your balls long enough, they die. When that happens, the body breaks them down and recycles their proteins to make more.

Normal amounts of ejaculation don't expel enough protein to make that much of a difference, but going overboard on it can cause you problems.

Until she's on the rag.

Heh.
I once dreamed that:
-I reached my hands out through the PC screen and fondled a black woman's ass.
-I was suddenly tiny and held on to the right boob of an anime-ish girl. I managed to make my hands touch wrapped around it and I strengthened my hold.
In spite of all, I still slided down, making the whole breast go through th real small ring my arms and torso formed around it.
The girl had an orgasm and I cummed a little.

-Etcetc. Mostly fondling girls dreams etc.

I get really depressed when I don't masturbate too

what?

so charming

>Not fucking her anyway

KEK
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For one there's not that much protein in sperm (about 0.5g, half a gram), second you make millions of sperm cells every day regardless of whether you ejaculate.

>Did you honestly think girls would begin approaching you just becasue you hadn't rubbed one out for a couple of months?
i mentioned it because NoFap advertises exactly this.

practice semen retention. we need our nutrients, boys.

to be fair they usually say things like "nofap is only part of it and you should improve other areas of your life too" which would in turn get you more poon

Its not supposed to be charming, its supposed to get you laid.

charming is inherently a deceitful trait

it's in both men and women's best interest to understand this; men to understand that's what women are attracted to and women to not fall for bullshit

this would be funny if it weren't so depressingly true.

I've declined sex before and just went to fap on my own time later the same day cause its just more convenient.

Not to say there can't be great sex, but that doesnt happen every time.

>OP complains nofap is nothing just a bunch of anecdotal evidence
>anons swarm with their own anecdata in support of nofap

>tfw 25 and struggling to mantain erection when fapping

What the fuck is going on, it has been like this for almost three weeks now.

If you completely stop having orgasms while you're awake, you will eventually have them when you sleep, at least if you're young.

I always equate porn and masturbation to sugar.

Masturbation + porn is like chocolate cake whereas jerking off without porn is more like an apple.

Metaphor being that one is sensory overload and I have a hard time imagining that our pleasure centers will not be dulled to some extent by heavy viewing of pornography, just like super sweet processed foods.

that's not true lol

>rapists usually get laid frequently
haha

That's cult talk. You're on the wrong board.

Fucking fat girls is never good. And your post has nothing to do with science anyway. Take it to /r9k/ or Veeky Forums or whatever.

NoFap is like that new-age crystal healing stuff. It's just a social movement wrapped around a hobby of believing in a fantasy. People like talking about their mutual fantasy; their rhetoric is primarily about protecting the fantasy. If you say things that support it they'll cheer uncritically (for the most part); if you say things against it then they'll defend, and THAT is the main use for their "no you have to do it RIGHT" arguments. The idea that you have to do something else on top of not masturbating is just a tool for them, it's a "no true Scotsman" thing. Same as with The Secret--if you wish for something and it doesn't come true, well you just weren't wishing correctly, it certainly wasn't the fault of the wishing strategy itself.

Yeah I really do believe there is a lot of truth to this. My ideas of sex were propped up by porn. When I did have sex the first time it was a very poor experience compared to what I had imagined it would be. It was awkward and very unsatisfying. Sure things did get better over the years, and sometimes I had great sex, just not very often. But quite often I found just having a porn induced wank to be more satisfying, and not such a hassle. Would it have been the same if there had been no porn? I dont think so. I think porn sort of ruined my expectations of sex.

Ah get real. Can you honestly say you haven't chatted up a woman just becasue you wanted sex? Does she see the real you when you are engaged in doing your best to get into her pants?

Look, you may well be Mr Perfect, but most guys I know including myself will put on an act if it means getting some pussy.

The nice thing about porn usage, though, is that if you stop it for a while your expectations, ease of arousal, etc will bounce back. It's not like a drug where you're just permanently less sensitive.

I think porn is probably fine for dry spells or times where you know you won't have time for women, but if you've got a girl or are actively seeking tail it's likely a good idea to give it a break so your body has a chance to recalibrate itself.

sauce please.

>Once you have a girlfriend, ANY GIRLFRIEND, women will start to take more interest in you.

This is a common meme propagated by men who haven't had a girlfriend in a long time (ever). What actually happens is other girls are more comfortable around you because they know you are attached to someone else. They feel like they can talk to you without there being a sexual tension the whole time. Don't confuse this for flirting. Women are much more loyal than men and most will react with disgust if you try to hit on them when they know you have a gf. They will tell your gf and your friends and you just poisoned your entire well.
>inb4 beta robots virgins claim women are all cheaters

didn't you just ask this in Veeky Forums the other day. jesus christ dude, QUIT JERKING OFF FOR AWHILE.

Just because there haven't been any scientific studies done on /nofap/ doesn't mean all the testimony online is invalid. It just hasn't been studied in a formal way yet.

Thankfully, any man can perform a study on his own, anytime, and take notes about the results.

I did /noporn/ for November. It was interesting. At one point I caught a short Blacked clip on /tv/ accidently and it stuck in my mind the rest of the month because it was the only titties I had seen.

I did /nofap/ for a few weeks and while I did feel like I had more energy and drive, I was also distracted a lot by sexual thoughts without any relief. It certainly helped me have the drive to persue a couple women with more fervor. For example, if a girl texts me and I fapped recently, I might ignore it. But on /nofap/ I will engage with her every time.

This is the content that drives me away

Nofap is made by christfags, who try to mask their agenda with scientific explanation, which is bullshit.

The bible is right though, so is history. Think about it, for generations, sexual arousal was considered a prerequisite for mental illness. Almost all the holy books speak for marriage and against sexual sin, and those are works of generations.

You very obviously have not had much experience with women.

Why is it so relevant if it medically threatening.
Watchig porn is unnecessary and takes time of your chosen purpose.
As far as pure hedonism goes, it's one of the more low level poisons to choose too

Almost all religions were made in times when children provided significant economic value and where paternity and inheritance were important cultural concepts.

>derpibooru.org/1312444

was hoping for some real out there stuff, ya disappointed me pal.