Sir Roger Scruton points out how Popular music and Popular culture defend eachother and how modern culture suffers under the force of popular music. Is he right? Or more specifically, is he right in his claim that the music composed through the classical tradition and all that it represents, discipline and adult maturity, is superior to the music of youth culture, representative of the desire to abstain from adulthood and its accompanying role of maturity and higher thought, that we apparently are subject too today?
Michael Davis
that mofo got knighted?
Nicholas Gomez
Yes sir
Christian Garcia
He's right that cultural standards have slipped into absurdity, he's wrong in the particular brand of cultural elitism he espouses.
Also, daily reminder he literally got paid to shill for the tobacco industry.
Hunter Lewis
Wouldn't folk music be a better comparison since that's what more people used to listen to before popular music?
Jordan Cox
MTV started that whole negroid cultural marxist shake that ass psyop to erode normal white values. Basically vaseline for what is happening now. SO yeah, I agree. But the music isn't to blame, but those who decide what's played on TV, radio, what is produced and hyped, etc.
Hunter Russell
Yes, folk music is the correct analogy. Classic has been something usually enjoyed by an elite. But folk music, excellent and non-degenerate in its own right, is what common people enjoyed before pop music.
Christian Ortiz
Back to your containment board please.
Elijah Jones
moron detected.
Elijah Thomas
sorta similar to Adorno, but Adorno's hard-on was for atonal classical
Pynchon did it better though
Christian Harris
I wonder if industry paid him for this piece too his argument is just THOSE DAMN KIDS scruton is 100% imbecile
Noah Hill
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Jonathan Thompson
1700: nobles, cultivated from youth, patrons of the arts. classical artisans trained from youth by masters and housed in royal courts. 2016: crowd funding. artists that went to public school.
Adrian Cook
>European culture literally being erased from existence through globalisation and demographic collapse >haha wtf "Old Man Yells At Cloud" amirite xD #readyforsharia
Nicholas Peterson
roger scruton is like 90 years old and lives in a village in Wiltshire listening to Beethoven i don't really care what he thinks about music.
Jason Smith
I want /pol/ to leave.
Eli Nelson
You forget that we live in a time where sister Ray and miss fortune have greater artistic value than the majority of contemporary classical released in the past 40 years.
David Torres
>rich people culture is all of European culture Classical music has nothing to with my ancestors.
Josiah Hill
It's easy to forget when it is a meaningless assertion.
William Taylor
>their opinions hurt my feelings
Julian Gonzalez
You're forgetting that to ears trained on Rihanna, Max Richter and the Velvet Underground both sound like boring background noise.
Elijah Robinson
Velvet Underground is objectively wew lad.
Jonathan Campbell
No they don't.
Ethan Peterson
I mean holy shit guys why are you all responding to this? Get this shit off of our board and go discuss it on its dedicated board holy fuck
Jackson Roberts
essays are a form of literature you fucking mouth breather
Jayden Stewart
Ok so should I start shitting up this board with fucking videogame essays also? Why not start posting a bunch of shitty political essays about Trump and turning this board into /pol/ 2.0 like the rest of Veeky Forums?
This essay has nothing to do with literature you fucking mong, this is a thread about music discussion and belongs on /mu/ if this shit is tolerated then the board will go to fucking hell with the influx of /mu/ and /tv/ posters.
Remember to sage and report this off-topic trash and just in case you're retarded here's another link
Tyler Hill
>my opinion is the only right one, and everyone who disagrees is a le ebin cuck
You people are no better than SJW. How good it must be not to be able to see yourself in the mirror.
Alexander Bennett
Is he, dare I say it, our guy?
Jason King
Forgot pic
Eli Rogers
>essays on literature are the only ones allowed to be discussed
Wyatt Hall
wew lad >not listening to Rautavaara
Xavier Mitchell
Are you really going to sit here and advocate that all essays on all topics are meant to be discussed here on Veeky Forums? Whats the point of having other boards if you can just discuss every topic on here as long as it's in essay format? If you read a book and in it the author presented some interesting theories about the composition of music and how it mingles with the psychology of people would you come to Veeky Forums to discuss everyone's thoughts on music and psychology just because it is literature or would you go to /mu/ because that is where music discussion is intended to happen and where it happens most frequently?
Just look at this thread and try and tell me that any of this resembles literature discussion because all I see is shitty /mu/ and /pol/ memes that don't belong on this board.
Holy shit you're actually retarded just get the fuck out of here or better yet post about one of your favorite books so you can out yourself as an idiot that doesn't belong here anyway.
Josiah Ward
Are you really going to sit here and advocate that essays on literature are the only ones allowed to be discussed here on Veeky Forums?
Isaiah Harris
cry more, bitch nigga
Hunter Walker
loud noises
Charles Ross
>people are still falling for the "back in my day" meme
Camden Morris
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Jaxon Jones
both of these are accurate
Isaac Mitchell
>People have been saying the present is worse than the past for a long time now. >Therefore, they're wrong.
Your argument is basically "current year" with a college degree.
Brandon Mitchell
He is not wrong, though. People like to ideolize the past. It doesn't matter if the present is better or worse, nostalgia will make you biased. One should look at it objectively instead of going "muh currect year" or "muh traditional values", because in the end those viewpoints are the same: an idealization of something which is neither perfect nor completely defective.
Ryan Bailey
Intredasting. I was just listening to a podcast debate between Scruton and Terry Eagleton and while they were talking past each other a lot, and actually agreed on some things (cultural decline), on the points of disagreement it kind of seemed like Eagleton was owning Scruton. I'm probably pretty biased though.