What kind of training did writers such as goethe, dante, cervantes...

Your an idiot.
But if that's what you want read Aristotles rhetoric.

I think Goethe was a sparky first but I may be mistaken

why am I an idiot?

if I want to get the same training as classical writers, why should I use modern SJW feminist marxist shit?

because you are not writing for the 16th century

why not?

is there a law that will forbid me to write as classical writers?

why should I write like modern garbage?

you could try starting with reading a bit about marxism

They choose the right brain to be born with.

I'm colombian, I already know what is FARC and venezuela.

>but muh jew economic religion
trash.

Harold Bloom or his wife personally recommended me this volume (via email)
nyrb.com/products/shakespeare-s-montaigne?variant=1094931241

The book has nothing to do with SJWs, it was written in the early 20th century. It's non-political. It teaches the exact same stuff but with modern language.

does harold bloom has an email?

what book?
marxs writings?

yep, check my name

OP is an idiot who is stuck in a corner, he has no willingness to learn. I don't know why you're trying.

forgot to do it but it's [email protected]
usually takes a few days for him to get back

it doesn't give me a link.
can you type it?

look, faggot.
I could google whatever crap is being taugh in moden SJW humanities lectures on the MIT youtube lectures.

I could do that for free.
But I want to read the same shit classical masters read, the original source of their knowledge.

I don't give a fuck about the opinions of some dumbass SJW teacher at the MIT.

fuck you.

thanks, will ask him some recomendations.

Entender el marxismo desde sus bases conceptuales no es equivalente a saber de la existencia de un grupo paramilitar o de un país socialista que está al borde del debacle. Hay muchas lecturas interesantes que se pueden sacar de Marx si lo utilizas como una herramienta de crítica y no lo adoras como la segunda venida de Jesus.
Ah, y por si acaso dejaste pasado a /pol/ en tu post. Intenta ser más sutil la próxima vez.

Read Aristotles rhetoric then you ignorant prick.
Rhetoric is rhetoric there is no political bias.

Sorry, I didn't implied marx was the second coming of christ, but most of what he spoke was wrong, many of his ideas and concepts were shown wrong.

I have seen some marxists, but their propositions range from ridiculous to simply pointless co ops.

I don't think he's as valuable as an intelectual and I seriously think his ideas hold no respect, simply because of their historical crimes most comunists have done.

In other words, any good commie is a dead one.

they have no political bias, but their views are clearly modern.

But Marx is dead.

>used to have

basic English grammar, for starters

Same as jesus.
but this doesn't mean christians are dead.

I'm not a native speaker.

feel free to give me tips.

Starting Sophistry by Marcus Rippetoicus

You can find more info in the sticky

>free tips

commie

education was free in ancient times idiot.

no it wasn't

He's an "entitled" millennial.

We HAVE to teach him.

0 results bro.
you wrote that wrong.

>enter atelier
>train under a master
>???
>american college debt style

??????

Free doesn't mean Free!

A dumb millennial, too.

dumb millennial detected

>It was like Kill Bill-style.

you do realize your feelings are the same old generations had on you?

do you think experience and knowledge is gained through magic?

wasn't leonardo literally a bastard poor kid?

Those were both me.

Hahaha. I control you. Now respond.

what do you want to know?

First time I read this post I missed the "via email." I imagined you met a real person who was either Bloom or his wife but couldn't reliably say which.

Lel

Read Aristotle, Cicero and Quintilian

>Harold Bloom or his wife personally recommended me this volume (via email)
That's so cool

How do you know it's a she?

She did a Reddit AMA.

Thank you.

Doesn't look like a cock to me.

IT'S 2016 is probably what they were going for

If girls can have penises, cocks can look like chicken.

Are you going to judge someones gender simply by how they look?

>via email
I thought Bloom didn't know how to use a computer? He fucking cried when his favourite library's catalogue system went digital.

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Ok, OP, so you want to know what Shakespeare read?

Let us start at the beginning by saying that, although we have no concrete evidence, it is almost certain that Shakespeare used to go to the Grammar School in Stratford. Shakespeare’s family was not that poor. His father was even mayor of the Stratford for some time, and his mother was from a well-known rural family. It’s probable (almost certain) that William went to a Grammar School for quite some time, and do you know what they taught at schools that time? The name “Grammar Schools” already says a lot. Yeah, that’s right: grammar, especially Latin grammar. History and the Sciences were hardly a subject of teaching, but Latin and English, figures of speech, rhetoric, oratory, Ovid, Virgil, Seneca, metaphors and similes – that was the main thing kids learned at that time. It is probable that a kind in Elizabethan England schools was having a better education to invest in a poetry career than people on literature courses on University in our own time.

So, add firstly to your list: Horace, Virgil and Ovid. Ovid was probably Shakespeare’s favorite poet: he speaks highly of him in some of his plays (Holofernes in Love’s Labors Lost, for example), and many passages in his work are based on the texture and imagery of Ovid’s work.

Another work from the Romans that he read extensively and used in many of his plays was Plutarch (in Thomas North translation). Also about Ovid, one translation that was especially influential in Shakespeare was the one by Arthur Golding.

There was also another Latin writer whose influence was enormous on Elizabethan writers, and especially the playwrights. This was Seneca: his tragedies were some of the most imitated and reworked by the Elizabethans. Plautus and Terence were models for comedy (Shakespeare uses Plautus directly in The Comedy of Errors), but the larger influence was that of Seneca.

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We do not know how much Greek Shakespeare knew, and Greek works were not as translated and popular as Latin ones. Yet you can be sure that Shakespeare have heard something about Homer (and almost certainly read Chapman’s translation), and I guess that he also have at least tried to read some of Sophocles, Euripedes and Aeschylus. Aeschylus style in particular is one of the most metaphorical and bold in imagery and poetry; Shakespeare is the only dramatic poet who uses more metaphors and a greater texture of verbal exuberance than Aeschylus.

Some of the main influences from his own time would be Christopher Marlowe (the particular influence of this one dramatist was certainly one of the most profound that Shakespeare had: Marlowe was one of the first people who showed what talented poets could achieve if they really embraced the drama). There was also the famous grammar scholar and author of colorful and mannered comedies, John Lyly: his influence can be seen in Shakespeare’s use of prose. Thomas Kyd, author of The Spanish Tragedy, would also be known to Shakespeare, and so the other dramatist of his day. One particular bright name that would rise when Shakespeare had already started his career was Ben Jonson.

Shakespeare read the poets of his day: Sidney sonnets, The Faerie Queene by Edmund Spenser, Thomas Wyatt, The Mirror for Magistrates: just in the Wikipedia article of the period.

Another main influence on Shakespeare (source of plots and characters for his historical plays) was Holinshed's Chronicles, also known as Holinshed's Chronicles of England, Scotland, and Ireland, is a collaborative work published in several volumes and two editions, the first in 1577, and the second in 1587. It was a large, comprehensive description of the British history.

Another famous author that Shakespeare read was Montaigne, especially in the translation that some other user mentioned before on this thread:

nyrb.com/products/shakespeare-s-montaigne?variant=1094931241

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Now, if you want to know how Shakespeare made good use of all the rhetoric he learned at school, there is a great book that is unfortunately little know: Shakespeare’s Uses of the Arts of Language. This single volume will teach you more about writing poetry than many university classes:

amazon.com/Shakespeares-Language-Sister-Miriam-Joseph/dp/1614274894/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1475085509&sr=1-2&keywords=shakespeare and the arts of language

To have a good view of Shakespeare uses of verse, imagery (metaphors, similes), prose, and above all, his mastery in manipulating language, this books are certainly the best I ever encountered:

>Shakespeare’s Imagery, by Caroline Spurgeon;
>Shakespeare’s Language, by Frank Kermode;
>Shakespeare’s Metrical Art, by George T. Wright;
>The Development of Shakespeare’s imagery, by Wolfgang Clemen;
>The Poetry of Shakespeare’s Plays, by F.E. halliday;
>Shakespeare’s Uses of The Arts of Language, by Sister Mirian Joseph;
>The Language of Shakespeare’s Plays, by B. Ifor Evans

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One last thing. Shakespeare was a writer, and writers do not always read for pleasure or for learning. Most of the time writers who are already working daily with writing are searching for books that can offer them material for their works. Such books are mostly of no interest to readers, and not even the writer in question beyond the things that he is searching. And so it is that you might find a poet like Shakespeare reading books about herbs and home medicines; about demonology and witchcraft; about the fauna and flora of a particular region of the world; about the culture and manners of a particular country and its people; about jewelry and heraldic; books about races of dogs and cats; bad and cheap tales of melodrama that, with some work, can be readapted on the stage; cooking manuals, etc. The writer is then hunting for vocabulary, for plots, for characters, for material to feed their metaphors and similes: all those crude materials that end up feeding the finished work.

With that in mind, I quote here a book that is dedicated especially to the analyses of what were Shakespeare’s sources for the plays (the vast majority of his plays were reworks of tales and histories from other books):

amazon.com/Sources-Shakespeares-Plays-Kenneth-Muir/dp/041548913X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1475085474&sr=1-1&keywords=the sources of shakespeares plays

And finally, if you want to take a look inside a poets mind and see how a great jungle of references from various number of obscure books and pamphlets can end up materializing in divine poetic textures, read this book about Coleridge and the composition of The Rime of the Ancient Mariner and Kubla Khan:

amazon.com/Road-Xanadu-Study-Ways-Imagination/dp/1408630427/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1475086711&sr=1-4&keywords=the road to xanadu

No, the joke was that Marx is dead and thus good.

Just read the author's you'd like to write like, then try to live a full life and write about it as much as possible, after you've done that for a good few years you might be lucky enough to squeeze some decent paragraphs out of yourself.

No Chaucer? Come the fuck on, he's the poet who influenced Shakespeare the most.

Forgot him, but yes, he was up there with Ovid, Marlowe and Seneca.

did you just assume their gender, shitlord?

SS + GOMAD

Dante learned from the Sicilian School of Poetry

Grammar schools, tutelage, and life.
Do you really think Cervantes would have been sent to write the Quixote if he didn't work as a mercenary and get captured by Arab pirate shits.

>life
meme

Who else /feelsresentmentthattheyneverrecievedtheclassicaleducationthatallgreatwritersofhistoryrecieved/?

Fucking modernity man

I'm thoroughly convinced that looking back the period we currently live in will be viewed as a dark age akin to the 5th century.

Maybe by the commoners. Specialists will know that our time was the dankest there ever was.

Does that make us like the equivalent of monks or something?

>have internet and google at it's disposal
>still criess like a little bitch
>have something like Veeky Forums that many writers would have loved
keep crying little bitches.