Why is postmodern literature great but postmodern architecture shit?

For a movement that shuns great narratives they sure have a lot of words to justify their own existence.

In PoMo the work itself is worthless, it is the statement behind it what matters. And so happens with works previous to PoMo, what I think about something is more inportant than that something. The exact opposite to dialectical materialism, but holds itself as materialism of the dialectic.
Confused? That's life.
That's what PoMo's actually believe. So instead of trying to find truth or solace in art, they use art as gravel to pave their path to the grave, bringing into it the same vagueness and platitudes found in their non-artistic expression. Bores is the prime example of this, a man who made a career of derivative prose tweaking any meaning he found anywhere.

As to architecture, while it is a form of art, it is arguably one much more constrained by physicial limits and technical know-how, which makes it much less creative than film, sculpture or literature, inasmuch as a building needs to be functional while a novel needn't.

TL;DR lel so randum doesn't work in architecture, because it can't be tweaked by language.

>thousands of years' worth of values

Stop getting angry over things that literally don't matter and you don't care about at all.

fancy writing does not cost more than plain writing

>Pomo architecture is great though

>Pomo architecture is great though
stab your eyes out

That looks like some Lebbeus Woods concept.

That's amazing, actually.

>Pomo architecture is great though
>ugh
shoot yourself

>why is postmodern literature great but postmodern architecture shit?

Is it? Or are you just judging the whole of postmodern literature on a few high quality works such as Pychon and ignoring the wealth of experimental dross. And is architecture so bad or are you basing this on a few ugly eyesores and ignoring just how much all modern architecture is influenced by postmodern ideas.

High School students who don't know better bitching about work they hardly understand in the time they're not spending talking about how "landscapes" are actually better than all art in the land century.;

This is Veeky Forums now.

>Is it?
It is

>-let us build to sell office space as profitably as possible.
you are thinking about something else
>god
some dick riding god for everything.
>In less than a century we managed to reject thousands of years' worth of values and we still don't understand the consequences. We're fucked, and we deserve it.
I did not reject shit and I deserve more.

>postmodern literature
>great

You don't read

why is IU bae?

it looks like an ugly combo of old and "new" with new being unpolished and basically looking like part of the fortress of solitude growing out in the city. There is no Gothic beauty, no efficient use of space or geometry, only a mind of a stupid child

>>it looks like an ugly combo of old and "new" with new being unpolished and basically looking like part of the fortress of solitude growing out in the city.

That's good and lauded, actually. Read more of war and architecture.

does those kpop artist have all plastic surgery?

No but all of them have plastic surgery.

I read quite a lot, actually.

/thread

All of you need plastic surgery

>why is postmodern literature great but postmodern architecture shit?
pomo architecture isn't great but it's not that bad either. It's better than most modern shit anyway (though there is some based modern architectrue)

>communism
>postmodern

I think you are actually just really stupid.

some of them do. its not really a problem unless you plan on having kids with them
this is the epitome of being thematically tryhard. buildings are meant to mix with your life organically while adding some beauty to it

>. Form and beauty has no value.
Nobody says that

>The material is all that is valued.
Nobody says that

>Let's build not to honor God's beauty, or the greatness of our civilization--let us build to sell office space as profitably as possible.
Nobody says that.

Do you even know what postmodern architecture is?

>this is the epitome of being thematically tryhard

The fact you haven''t heard of Lebbeus basically tells me all I need to know about the topic you're criticizing. Especially in architecture in general no less.

Im saying you have shit taste and no one really wants to live in pseudo Sci-Fi architecture

This generation here wants to experiment and question as little as possible. It's infuriating.

>>Im saying you have shit taste and no one really wants to live in pseudo Sci-Fi architecture

And I'm saying that Woods is an esteemed architect and your boring suburbanite garbo that is shat on by everyone.

This is good and praised by basically everyone.

This is not

>appeal to authority
>argumentum ad populum (imagined one at that)
typical artfag move. Do you also agree with book critics on everything?

>typical artfag move

Don't bring logical fallacy into a debate you started that questioned the merits of postmodern architecture in toto, when the vast majority educated on the subject have the opposite opinion.

I am sorry you didn't get the circlejerk you wanted.

>Do you also agree with book critics on everything?
of course

>art
show me constriction, show me square cube law, show me weather and earthquake tests.
note how one is just a drawing while another not only exists but is also in use

Urban Sprawl Good, Shopping Mall Good

Weird Bad!

Weird Bad!

yeah that is what gender studies majors believe about their own shit. sorry reality is not as kind and up its own ass as your eco chamber

...

>gender studies
>shit

>show me constriction, show me square cube law, show me weather and earthquake tests.

Most of this was conceptualized as built to tributes to various wars across the 20th century, especially World War II. The prime focus being Europe.

Europe is not known for earth quakes. As for the rest, it all checks out.

He was, an architect.

So you're comparing an esteemed architect to gender studies majors.

You really did want a circle jerk didn't you

>This is horrible! Get this weird shit out of here! I don't like it! It's weird!
>But this....holy....I want more.....

Well, they are questioning post-modernism and you're getting butt-hurt. You are infuriating and nothing in your defense will cgange my opinipn. After all nothing matters and everything is relative, right?

>Well, they are questioning post-modernism and you're getting butt-hurt

I'm preventing the billionth circle jerk. Sue me you cock nosed bitch

This is artful and tasteful, actually

>Don't bring logical fallacy into a debate
>the vast majority
>opinion
A)Debates are logical. Arguments are not. If you want the latter more than the former let me tell you that your mother enjoys the company of pigs and was inseminated by several which led to the abortions that were then stitched together and now is you.
B) That's an ad verecundiam and an ad populum at the same time. Again. Wow.
C) Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Except of course those who do not agree with you.

Grow the fuck up, little tunt.

>A)Debates are logical. Arguments are not. If you want the latter more than the former let me tell you that your mother enjoys the company of pigs and was inseminated by several which led to the abortions that were then stitched together and now is you.

Woah...that was mean....

>That's an ad verecundiam and an ad populum at the same time. Again. Wow.

Oh no.........

>Everyone is entitled to an opinion

If your opinion is that the norm is fine and urban sprawl is good try not being an idiot

>Grow the fuck up, little tunt.

Oh my....I'm a little tunt....

You're preventing a debate by mocking the original statement without rebuking anything. You baby, you are falling in a circlejerk with yourself.
>But a single point cant be a circle
If you look close enough, yes. And I am looking at you, boy.

it would be nice if they were taller but yes human physiology does not want jagged angles or inhabited monuments, it wants comfy and beautiful
>going for suburbs
you may as well post Brazilian shacks. its like apples an oranges, hell your "weird" would run out of space in seconds and look even more ugly when put among similar buildings. seriously Photoshop them together and tell me looking at it does not give you a head ache

>functionality and cost-efficiency
>describing communism not capitalism
Are you fucking retarded?

>You're preventing a debate by mocking the original statement without rebuking anything.

I am preventing the billionth circle jerk of high school sophmores with little to no understanding of art circle jerking about how much art sucks on a board they think is for artful discussion.

Their opinions don't have merit, never did, never will, so I am here. to shit on you.

>it would be nice if they were taller but yes human physiology does not want jagged angles or inhabited monuments, it wants comfy and beautiful

That's the point. It's about war, it's supposed to be jagged. It's hypothetical monuments to violence that should have been prevented both past and future and present.

>architecture
>art that's literally forced upon people
>kek they should git gud and read some aesthetic theory

this

Architecture is not city planning. Argument or hint thereof discarded.

I am an idiot for having an opinion different from yours?

Oh, and for the record, my contributions to this thread are the ones related to literature, not to architecture. I am interested in seeing how incapable for reason you are. Keep on defending style vs practicality or beauty.

How is urban sprawl not what you just fucking described

and this

>>I am an idiot for having an opinion different from yours?

Your argument gets laughed at within the bounds of Princeton so yeah, you kind of are an idiot.

don't look better than this and are not as useful/efficient

are you retarded? yes that is the point but you don't want that point in your daily life, you want utility at minimum or to at best be uplifted. would you want to live in lenin's mausoleum? best buildings are the ones that combine their beauty and message with peoples daily life instead of being too self important, especially when often there is no message.

And what is my opinion, exactly?

>Your argument is laughed at in a very specific place
And your ad verecundiams are laughed at by its sheer repetition by anybody intelligent enough to see them, so I guess we're even.

Seriously, not everybody wants a windows, but I am not one to call Linux or Mac users stupid for having different preferences.

Do you slobber as much over Jodorowsky's Dune?

Michael Graves; Team Disney Building; Burbank, California; 1991.

MThe very specific place is an Ivy League Unicersity you cannot hope to argue with.

Quit bringing up fallacies on Veeky Forums it's expected and it makes you look like a cunt

Why are you bringing up a failed movie into a debate over if architectural academia is evil and stupid or not.

God you teenagers really are fucking stupid

>kek they should git gud and read some aesthetic theory
I know artfag that makes pictures where everyone looks like they have been decomposing in water. Im not sure if its intentional but she never notices how crap it looks and constantly goes on about how people should read more about art school instead of judging things with their aesthetics

like I said, you will find that the real world does not take your shit as readily as your circlejerk buddies from school

None of you have ever attended a class about pottery in community college why should you have the hubris to talk about it as if you know it by heart?

You don't belong in the real world either. You're a social outcast

The point is that architecture isn't something you choose yourself to view. It's the perhaps only art where populism is the right way to go.

So basically you're defending the home owner's association

Why don't you take your shit off the floor and get out of my thread

>Fallacies are expected in Veeky Forums and are therefore valid
I expect more from Veeky Forums. YOU AND YOU ALONE are bringing down the level of discourse of this board via refusing to actually take part in a debate. You are shit and are staining this place with your turd fingers.
I'd rather look like a cunt tha be one, unlike you. You seem tp frolic in your own inconsistency in ignoring the fact that you're spouting not different, but the same ad verecundiam over and over, failing prey to not only logical flimsiness, but egotistical repetition.

You are the one preventing a debate. The fact that you're not a teenager is more saddening than enraging.

Isn't socrealism and other totalitarian regimes architecture styles antimodernist? I remember reading something about Albert Speer and his "antimodernist" approach to architecture.

You expected more from a thread where high school students circle jerk about their terrible opinions about art?

Well I suppose that does make sense considering who you are.

>You are the one preventing a debate

Then I've done my job

I'm not an amercunt so I don't know what the home owner's association is.

>my thread

class is for technical details like actual viability of the contract, not for judging it visually

One is a building, the other one is a book? o-O

Just because you aren't aware of it doesn't mean you don't have the same mind set of the cunts who exist within it.

Everything has to be a certain way and can't differ.

The difference between you and the people who bitch about their neighborhood going to the dogs and blaming artists is hair thin

And yes this is my thread

I'm sure your high school has a very in depth analysis of the history of architectural art

>Everything has to be a certain way and can't differ.
Yes, if you put idiotic words into my mouth I do come off as an idiot. Congratulations.

You can't own threads.

its when a group of people own a home join an association and make group choices about how to use the budget in public property around their homes, how to keep their homes secure, how to make sure they are getting clean water,etc the basic point he is going for is that association can often place restrictions one what renovations individuals can and can not make because it may destroy the visual appeal of the house/neighborhood. I don't think user has ever been in a home owner's association but chances are he would end up butthurt because his niche interests would not be accepted by the majority since most people would not want plane scraps on their front lawn(even in guilt ridden Germany)

>postmodern literature great
>post modern
>great

A tleast postmodern architecture often actually involved a certain element of technology incorporated into the design, transference of energys, especially wind and the likes, I agree postmodern architecture is putrid, but no more than post modern lit, as the form has not changed (maybe the odd exception) but literature is its true form is not post modern, only the content, It is a weird comparison to make OP

>Terrible opinions
That's your opinion.

>Stop disliking what I like!
>Then I've done my job
You poor, sad manbaby. You are doing the online equivalent of going to a high-school club and saying their opinions are stupid because they don't align 1:1 with academia, instead of letting them learn or even interchange ideas.

Fuck, Fuck, Fuck you in the cock holster you have for a mouth. Also, the fact that you didn't rebuke or reply to any of the other things I said in my post, which leads me to believe they are true.

Keep on being blissful. After all you are the most stupid person I've talked to this month.

>Yes, if you put idiotic words into my mouth I do come off as an idiot. Congratulations

Subtext

>You can't own threads

I just did. This thread is owned by me now.

>You are doing the online equivalent of going to a high-school club and saying their opinions are stupid because they don't align 1:1 with academi

Isn't that basically fact

Why are you challenging professionals on their jobs

You would know a lot about crying in high school clubs though

>blaming artists is hair thin
>"artists"
if you want to do graffiti then buy some bricks,set them into wood and go nuts. If you want a display then buy the space. I don't see how your butthurt turned into a superiority complex

fpbp

>Subtext
So that's what we're playing?
>I'm into architecture because thinking of all those high buildings makes me forget my laughably small penis
^ is exactly what you said
>This thread is owned by me now.
Nu uh.

Who brought up graffiti? Anyways it's far more tasteful than what you suggest society look like.

I don't have a penis :^>

>everyone who digress with me is high school student
I bet you don't even see how pathetic you are