Why do you lads meme on this guy so hard? He seems pretty reasonable

>Sam Harris is a fraud
Stopped reading there
>is-ought
Oh, gag me with a spoon

fuck the regressive left seriously. it's impossible to argue with a regressive, they hate the west and reject enlightenment rationality. just like fundamentalists of any stripe, no wonder you love the islamofascists so much

>how dare this privileged white guy criticise Muslims for blowing themselves up!

Keque.

>regressive left
Could you define that term for me?

Not him but the batch of leftist ideas that cause liberty to decay, so censorship mostly. They are basically anti liberal

The 'we most stop people from offending browniers at all costs even if this means giving up freedom of speech' white guilt type of people.

but morality is based on treating people fairly and we can know how to treat people based on observable methods. it's really not that hard to understand. like, we know now because of science that homosexuality isn't wrong, but just based on the predicate of your whole argument I'm guessing that you don't agree with that. in which case we have no point arguing, because we're never going to convince each other if both our objectives in the debate is to win the debate.

So you want to limit their freedom of speech

Why do you think that?

Basically the Frankfurt school left, the guys who decided to abandon enlightenment values and replace them with shrill irrational shrieking. DAts RAcESt!

they're not very similar

Wow you really don't know what you're talking about

I personally would like for them to become self aware enough to realize that their entire belief system is based on emotional response and virtue signalling.

because our god said we should

youtube.com/watch?v=ifpIw3EK7-A

Using virtue signaling in a sentence is virtue signaling to other posters who agree with you about virtue signalling

>Richard Dawkins built his atheism promotion out of his mediocre but well publicised science writing.
how is it mediocre? Some of his writing is fundamental and arguably the father of entire scholarly fields. what a pretentious article.
>sam harris is not a neurologist because I don't like him and I'm making assumptions about his motives about getting the Ph.d that he has
what a dumb article. horee shit

That makes no sense in the context of an anonymous forum.

You get attention, positive attention.

Consider reading what they have to say before commenting on a literature board.

Wahh wah he's a privileged white male! I don't care about Sam Harris's logic or arguments! Leftists never argue with ideas, cause they always lose. So they attack the person. According to their critical theory, identity is more important than reason, which is always an oppressive tool of white male domination. Hence regressives are able to hold 2 contradictory ideas at once. The west is patriarchal but Muslims did nothing wrong cause it's their culture. Makes no sense? Then you might be a bigot

Woah you must be so rational and objective. We need more people like you, son. Real atheists who ditch feels for Science and rationality. If everyone could be as Rational as you are

bullshit. I basically use this site like 40% for approval alone.

did you make that post like that just because you wanted it to look like a penis?

Hmm I think I prefer the MPC takedown of Sam Harris.

why is it racist just ot say that islamic ideology is inherently fucked up

This is so uninformed it phsycially pained me. I have a concussion and an STI now.

Sam Harris is literally a Bush-tier neocon propagandist who tries to make imperialism attractive to liberals by appealing to their inherent distrust of religion and dressing up state terrorism and war profiteering as liberation for masses of people duped by superstition.

Chomsky wrecks him hard if you're legitimately interested in seeing why so many leftists think of SH as a charlatan.

because most muslims are non-white

because he's popular and his arguments are put clearly enough for large numbers of people to actually form opinions on what he thinks

Are you kidding? I literally just explained that.

Sidenote: that moment always makes me think of my sophomore year Modern Europe class in college. During the WWII segment of the course, the professor had an entire class dealing with the similarities and differences between Stalinist Communism and National Socialism; policies, rhetoric, cult of personality, the whole deal. Last five minutes of the class, when he opens it up for questions, this one mook raises his hand and asks, as if making a poignant observation, "There seem to be a lot of similarities between Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany. Why is that?"

And the professor's response was just a flabbergasted, "That's what we just spent the entire period discussing."

>morality is about being fair
retard

>we know now because of science that homosexuality isn't wrong
How do you arrive at this?

Selfish Gene is actually kind of annoying now if you're in that area. The move to -omes makes taking of a single gene a bit weird if anything.

And vanity PhDs are a real thing, although more often you'd find them in Humanities subjects. There are some troublesome parts to his PhD work as well, but I think he's not alone there, we're probably going to see that quite a few have more than troubling work in the field as a whole (in fact we already have).

>"That's what we just spent the entire period discussing."
I think a lot of people have viewed me as that mook before, and in some sense there's what Edward De Bono described as "realizing peas roll" (you finally REALLY become aware of something in front of you the whole time). Although my background is not in such subjects (and more than a few times I've learnt later that the flabbergasted prof was fundamentally wrong about something or other).

His scientism is meme-tier

His polemics on Islam are much needed in an overly cucked society, however.

>As someone who, unlike Sam, regularly talks to people of Muslim faith, I find his insights pretty surprising. Little did I know that hidden behind the façade of everyday life was a seething, roiling mass of black hatred for me and everything I stand for.

m8, you just got taqqiya'ed

typical sjw muh but, but I haev muslim friends and they are good people! you don't know shit about statistics or rational decision making. Islam is by definition a totalitarian political ideology incompatible with liberty or even rational thought

this

2bfair i agree with half of these

voxday.net/mart/TIA_free.pdf

because he's inconsistent as all hell

the elliot rodger ones?

Would you kindly fuck off back to your containment board? Your comments show no grasp of politics, religion, history, or philosophy and are the rhetorical equivalent of "no u"

Veeky Forums aint your safe space bro. its the fucking cesspool of the internet, home to the baddest edgetrolls in cyberspace. we don't give a fuck about your feelings..This is not a safe space, this is the Danger Zone. Deal with the truth... or fuck off

>spams political blogposts
>please no bully stay away pol

jog on cunt

You definitely showed that legressive Marxist Frankfurt cuck. Have an upvote.

someone just got TRIGGERED haha

wtf i love hillary now

#imwithher

You don't know who is posting or not posting, the only people who definitively post for positive attention are tripfags.

I for one specifically prefer anonymity because it puts a huge damper on virtue signalling and attention seeking behavior typically found on standard forums.

Hillary and same Harris are on the same page about nuking the middle east and shit. it's funny how alt-rigthers can claim there's a massive jewish conspiracy and still support Israel, cause they are the good kind of Jews. Israel is the most Rational Country on Earth.

I prefer it because I can say whatever the fuck I want and face no repercussions for it in the eyes of the community

The real alt-righters hate Israel actually. Only the cucks defend it.

you're thinking of stormfags like it'd be better if all the jews were just sent back to israel

yeah, on basically any other forum someone as rational as yourself would get banned on sight for Racism. Anonimity kills PC and paves the way for truly rational discourse. that's why Veeky Forums has taught me a lot of truths. The cucks may shriek and pull their hair, but here we can see nobody gives a shit, its just irrational nonsense.

>He seems pretty reasonable.
>argues that its alright to commit mass murder if your intentions were good and it was unintentional
>refuses to discuss the facts and instead tries to substitute a "what if scenario" he has concocted to support his thesis

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>>As someone who, unlike Sam, regularly talks to people of Muslim faith, I find his insights pretty surprising. Little did I know that hidden behind the façade of everyday life was a seething, roiling mass of black hatred for me and everything I stand for.

Ask them if they think, in an ideal Islamic state, a person should be killed for apostasy.

Then ask them if they would like your country to become an Islamic state.

To be fair, that person probably talks to nice college Muslims who've internalized liberal Christian values, so they might not believe those thigns

there's an interesting dynamic at play there. Islamism has a great appeal to STEM beta males obsessed with muh rationality. It's almost like the middle eastern version of libertarianism.

Not the same guy, but I don't see how you that impression. Being against stifling free speech doesn't make you anti-free speech. Unless you think that literally everything, including censorship and violence, are "speech."

Replied to the wrong post.

Islam is a religion of peace.

samharris.org/blog/item/the-limits-of-discourse
Who was in the right here?

>muh discourse

harris combines the absolute worst things about pedantic liberals, fedora tipping atheists, neocon warmongers and alt-right crusaders

What are you doing to my Hibiki?

>argues that its alright to commit mass murder if your intentions were good and it was unintentional
What are you talking about. Sam Harris criticizes Islam precisely because it makes good people commit mass murder with good intention.

Leave this board forever for recognizing whatever the fuck that is

Intending to murder people because you think it's good is not the same as intending to do good and as a consequence murdering people in Sam Harris land.

Well they're pretty obviously different. In the first one you're killing people just to kill them, while in the other you're killing them for presumably some other reason.

Right - he contradicts himself. Read his exchange with Noam Chomsky: basically justifies the US bombing of a chemical factory on bad intelligence because the intention of killing terrorists was good. Fucking moron.

"I murdered him to take his car." I did it for another reason so it's fine.

>because the intention of killing terrorists was good
imblying it's not

They're different up to a point. It's not like suicide bombers are going out thinking "killing people is an end in itself", while American politicians/Army officers etc etc aren't thinking "this military action is bound to have absolutely no casualties whatsoever"

I mean if anything it's the other way around to what Harris says each side does, suicide bombers want to strike terror into the hearts of infidels or whatever and people dying is really just a step along the way. But killing specific people (think Bin Laden) is considered an end in itself by the west.

Killing bin Laden was a political ploy by Obama. Remember how it happened just before the 2012 elections? It made him look good because he finished what Bush supposedly started.

I am unconvinced of your reasoning there bro.

Getting revenge for all those dead Americans elevates you to Hero status. Who doesn't want a Hero President?

Though in any case, I do think killing people for cynical political reasons is worse than killing them just for the hell of it.

Holy shit what an awful attempt at a takedown, whoever wrote this seems really bitter

a) Knockoff Ben Stiller

b) I have never wanted to not hit him in the face with a tire iron

c) He argues for the existence of objective morality because he thinks he's too smart for religion, but is also too insecure for nihilism

Because he's dumb

>Christianity is bad. Its fundamentally contradictions and flawed moraility are holding us back from progress in the future.
>My Neuroscience studies prove it. Buy my book to see why
>But Islam is worse.
>In fact its so much worse we have to basically wage a war against it and committ to insane jingoist behaviour.
>Despite the fact thats its basically the same shit i'm going to cherry pick Quran quotes and terroist attacks to make it seem like its imcompatible if not at war with the West
>Just like Chrsitnaity as I pointed out earlier. Only its way worse because despite what I said about Chrisanity, Islam's fantiscism hasn't been curtailed by the Reformation.
>What do you mean the Enlightenment and the Reformation aren't the same thing?
>What do you mean Christain terrorists ut out all that bullshit anyway and have a similiar perpencity
>What do you mean suicide bombings weren't a thing until the U.S. started fucking with Arabic countries?
>What do you mean there are more violent passages in the Bible?
>What do you mean its happening in Christain countries?
>Whats a "material condition"? What does that have to do with muh dogma?

>Look, its very simple. You can't risk safety. Obama is not doing enough about terrorism.
>Liberals don't understand the important place the U.S. is in to protect the whole world.
>But we need to protect ourselves. This is why we need to limit Islamic immgiration.
>Please ignore the fact that Obama has been a far bloodier war monger than Bush ever could hope to be, and right this second he's probably planning a dozen or so drone strikes.
>Please ignore the fact that 60% of Muslims live in Asian countries and I'm only proposing we limit immigration from and/or bomb the shit out of sand people
>Just listen to my podcast, it'll make sense.

>Chomsky just doesn't understand my keen intellect for geopolitics.
>He might have been studying this topic for 40 years but the fact that he even hints in a footnote to an interview that he did that killing thousands of innocent isn't the right thing to do makes him a dumby head who can't handle a good debate.
>The U.S. is a gentle giant that although occasionally missteps, it has good intentions.
Whoops, I didn't paraphrase that one

>Torture is unjustified
>Except in certain circumstances
>Decided by me
>Buy my book to learn more about morality

>The thing with Abrahamic religions is that its too dogmatic. They focus more of procedure than true spirituality.
>The only true religions are the Eastern ones like Buddhism as they touch the core of life lessons
>As long as you strip out all the theories, procedures, dogma, metaphysics, completely miss the point of the fourth noble truth, ignore the surrounding context which the religions are being taught and ignore the fact that no one has every practiced my particular interpretation of Buddhism which is indistinguishable from New Age bullshit
>Just focus on the meditation stuff, now thats science
>What do you mean Buddhists and Hindus commit acts of terrorism and religious violence? Sometimes being more bloody than Islamic terrorism?
>What do you mean they have holy wars?
>What do you mean Hindus and some Buddhists have a strict hierarchical structure and dogmatic adherence to karma?
>What do you mean Krishna basically commanded Arjuna to kill his friends and family to fulfill his dharma?
>What do you mean India has the highest rate of honour killings in the world?
>Look, its very simple. Buy my book, I don't gotta explain shit.

Honestly, I don't see how he isn't just an Evola-esque pol/ack (other than the fact that he likes Israel for no reason other than they are "under attack")

No but i'm totes a rational atheists science man guys! Just don't disagree with me or be black

>And vanity PhDs are a real thing, although more often you'd find them in Humanities subjects.
But Harris Ph.D was done with a legitimate up-to-par thesis

I like whenever sam makes an analogy it gets taken out of context. it's like the trolley problem inventor getting accused of promoting death by train

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Leftists don't care about science or facts. It's a negative for them, see how they throw around the word 'scientism'. Science doesn't vibe with their utopian fantasy world, so they just reject the discoveries of people like Harris cause muh white people are teh evulz mooslims did nothing wrong america deserved 9/11

I liked his movies tbqh.

Yeah tis totally the leftists that are throwing that shit around. Not the creationists or the reactionaries

how did science prove homosexuality is not wrong?
science doesnt even know if it is genetic, if it is hormonal, if it is a brain disorder or psychological.

Science had very little to do with Homosexuality becoming accepted these last decades.

That made me check out this video:
youtube.com/watch?v=vln9D81eO60
Hollywood actors are an interesting bunch for sure.

Anyway, Sammy has his problems (objective/science based morality...), but he's still a net positive.
Most of the hate is from intellectual dick wavers and anti-fedora circle-jerks.

You don't unironically think any other religious violence lives up the shitshow that is Islam, do you?

The leftists are allied with the creationists and reactionaries as long as they're brown.

>Implying Islam isn't objectively the worst religion
>Implying Muslims aren't inherently scummy people
>Implying it isn't totally acceptable to glass the entire Middle East (Israel included) and all of Africa north of South Africa