I want to be immortal Veeky Forums. What are the chances of it being made possible during our lifetimes...

You need to be at least extremely wealthy.

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Give me immortality and then I'll be able to contemplate such pseudo philosophical bullshit.

>I want to be immortal Veeky Forums.
Become a philosopher, write some important books, rinse and repeat until you're a reference. Bam, you're immortal.

Alternatively, give your name to a useful theorem.

No I'm not. What kind of retarded answer is that? The "you die when you're forgotten" meme needs to stay on Veeky Forums.

>vice
Yeah nice creditable source.

This is why an intro course to humanities should be fucking mandatory to high scientific ed
Just like an intro course to maths and logic should be mandatory in litterature

There is no point in immortality. Read a fucking book, you've plenty of time for that, Peter Thiel

Guess what mongloid, there's no purpose in life, whether it has an ending or not doesn't change that. It's not a 'book whose story never ends'. Kill yourself.

>Brainlet is having his 20-something existential crisis and literally can't handle the dread
Oh boy, I'm laughing

>there's no purpose in life
Yes there is, being useful to the others and to the world.
There's absolutely no point in fearing the inevitable.

It is impossible to obtain immortality. There will always be a possibility of oblivion, things no organism can survive; a gamma ray blast, black hole, extreme temperatures; sure, you can attain life on this planet for longer but eventually you will die. Think of the scenario where maybe you survive the destruction of a planet: now you are drifting in the vacuum of space for damn near eternity, nothing to do; trust me when I say, unless you are a robot and devoid of even the most basic feeling (no pain from hunger, no emotion, can shut down your senses etc), you will wish for death.

And what if I said that any purpose you give to life is one you make up yourself? The fact that I can simply disagree with you on this, as well as the fact that both of us can have such views that we can just choose to reject each other's premises while holding defendable positions and be able to prove the other side wrong from our premises is a testament that the discussion of that subject is trivial. If you've actually read anything in philosophy that isn't a meme you'd understand that if both of us can abide by the same logical rules and hold positions on the same subject so far apart that there is no ground for discussion, then the topic itself is arbitrary.
>Yes there is, being useful to the others and to the world.
Oh I absolutely love this. Please don't respond to this and just fuck off from Veeky Forums instead, but if that's the purpose of life, how does being immortal contradict it? You can continue to do both while you're immortal :^) The only way life loses purpose if you’re immortal is if it gains purpose by ending.

I can feel the neckbread from 2000 miles away
Live humbly, accept your condition and die leaving the world better than you found it.

Epic ad hominem friend, you've tried it once and been proven that you're the one who's uneducated in philosophy. Now fuck off from this thread since this isn't its topic.

btfo

It IS the topic. Physical immortality is useless and impossible. What will be possible is ultra-rich artificially extending their life while the poor will stay mortal, or worse.

Want to live forever ? Do something of importance.

>Physical immortality is useless and impossible.
There's nothing impossible about biological immortality, I'm not talking about physical immortality, whatever that means, while the 'useless' part of your argument has already been proven to be subjective and philosophically arbitrary. And you don't 'live forever' if your name is in a book. If you truly believe this would you trade places with any important historical figure who's dead? Would you rather be dead but important, or alive? And the thread is not about this. This is Veeky Forums, not Veeky Forums or Veeky Forums. I was asking how far we are from biological immortality and what I can do to increase the chances of it happening in our lifetimes while you popped up with 'make ur name immortal instead ;)'.

>If you've actually read anything in philosophy that isn't a meme you'd understand that if both of us can abide by the same logical rules and hold positions on the same subject so far apart that there is no ground for discussion, then the topic itself is arbitrary.
Why does philosophy have such a hard on for screwing itself over?

>biological immortality
This is meaningless, you would live a very long time of course but not forever because "muh entropy"
So just do whatever you want in your life now, morals and god do not exist they are just social constructs, be a fucking psychopath, fulfill all your desires and don't give a fuck about others, there is no point in life, just enjoy it by getting as much dopamine as you can in your brain before it dies.

>genetically manipulate fetus so the cells don't age
Wait
What?

>cryopreserver
>literally the most expensive way to die
Cryonics is meme, there are few to no companies working on it right now and we still don't know any method for unfreezing people if one exists at all.

>What are the chances of it being made possible during out lifetime?

An optimist says: 40 years from now.
A cynic says: 50 years from now.
A pessimist says: 100 years from now.
Edgy people say; Biological immortality is impossible, we should all die together.
I say: Don't worry about it. If it happen, it happens. If it doesn't, oh well.

In truth the chance of it happening is the same as all things. 50/50. People and organizations have started to try and research it though since early 2010 so there is that.

>What can I do to increase that chance.

1) Get into bio-engineering or study cancer cells since they are immortal and what we are mostly comprised of.
2) Donate to some research foundation.

If biological immortality did occur this would be a good thing, and the company/people who are able to market it to normal people/governments would become extremely wealthy/GOAT in human history.

being useful to others and to the world is """"your"""" purpose in life not the objective and absolute purpose for everything and everybody, for me that has no importance and gives no meaning, I think that even if there is no objective meaning everyone could create his own meaning to life and it doesn't really matter what meaning you give. So I respect what your purpose in life is even though I don't agree with it.

Gotta be rich

>50/50
>it either happens or not
kek

What's the next step

What is the kek for? That is a true statement. It either happens or not, 50/50.

You're stupid

My lowest guess is 2030 for early forms.
My highest guess is never.
My medium guess is 2050-2060.

No, you're the stupid one. You've got no argument other than "kek" and "you're stupid". Fuck off.

No king rules forever, my son.

Good thing I'm not a king then

he's right though, probability does not work like that

Holy shit you are a living meme

you are the king over the collection of molecules you call body.

I'm the queen not the king buddy, check your priviledge

Donate to the mad monk and fund genetic engineering research I guess. If it doesn't happen, you will probably be too dead to care.
Though I understand why you want to be immortal/live longer, the concept that you won't exist it's a pretty fearful one. Actually fuck me I'm getting anxiety from this post as I'm writing it.

I have a handgun and a 1x1cm^2 target, 500 meters away. No experience in handling the handgun so I shoot at random in pi/8 angle in the direction of the target.

I either hit or miss, 50/50 chance. I should hit with every second shot. Does this seem correct to you?

>I should hit with every second shot.
Gambler's fallacy.

Are you rich yet? Step by step, dude.

Is Veeky Forums doing self-determined genders now?

>open Veeky Forums thread expecting science
>its pseudo-intellectual bullshit instead

Okay, so theoretically if you're a grown-ass man you can't be immortal, it's too late, buddy. We could manipulate an embryo, but how? Telomere shortening can be fixed, but then the chances of you becoming a lump of cancer would rise pretty substantially. I personally think a better way would be stem cells. The problem is that some of your cells, like heart cells and nerve cells are at their final stage of division, meaning you're stuck for life with them. During the embryo stage, however, you have all kinds of stem cells. So possible options are: you keep these cells dividing in the way that produces one daughter stem cell and one cell that differentiates into something else using the specific signal pathways, or you take some cells from the 8-cell or more likely 16-cell stadium of development and you keep them and then figure out how to replace cells.

Of course cancer is never off the table until we also fix that shit.

I need the opinion of someone that actually understands that shit.

Biological Immortality coming in 2036.
Improved biological immortality coming in 2040.

2045 Initiative
The 2045 Initiative is a nonprofit organization that develops a network and community of researchers in the field of life extension.It was founded by Russian entrepreneur Dmitry Itskov in February 2011 with the participation of Russian specialists in the field of neural interfaces, robotics, artificial organs and systems.

The main goal of the 2045 Initiative, as stated on site, is "to create technologies enabling the transfer of an individual’s personality to a more advanced non-biological carrier, and extending life, including to the point of immortality. We devote particular attention to enabling the fullest possible dialogue between the world’s major spiritual traditions, science and society".

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2045_Initiative

2045.com/

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Is SENS and Google's Calico big memes Veeky Forums or are they actually getting shit done?

wear sunscreen and eat your veggies

To be immortal is to suffer for eternity

So you are telling us that for us grown men the only hope is that they fuck cancer, fix the telomere problem and somehow replace some cells that can't divide anymore naturally?

2045 Initiative... Fuck you niggers I has millions

Why is Bill fucking Gates not supporting this rather than fucking around with useless ass Africans?

2045.com he has immortality it's true

Bill Gates isn't interested in scamming people anymore. He also has a functionning grasp on reality (unlike most of this thread)

[Citation Needed]

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because Bill Gates failed to keep Steve Jobs contained in his company and didn't buy the Tesla computer plans from CIA when he had the chance

his wife. I'm not jocking.

if you dig up one of his reddit AMAs, somebody asked him this question and he said that his wife didn't let him do it because it would have been bad for his image.

so now he's dedicated to give condoms to africans.

Allen is doing it instead.

Holy fucking shit I am mad

> Bill Gates isn't interested in scamming people anymore.
Really? What do you think his African project is about? Ring the bell. School's in, fucker:

If you are going to create a charity, create it in Africa.

If you donate to research in the USA, every single dollar is watched and tracked by the IRS. Every. Single. Fucking. Dollar.

If you give to 2nd world nations like Haiti, every government official is going to have his hand out. So many construction companies turned their ships around after the earthquake because they couldn't even get past the dock without paying off the permit guy.

In Africa, subSaharan countries are overthrown so much, there's no tracking. If 70% of your charity gets lost back into your pocket, oh well, blame it on the rebels. It's the perfect kickback scam.

Unless you deal with South Africa, most sub-Saharan doesn't even speak English. There's literally no way for the IRS to track it.

Even the vlogbrothers on YouTube have started to fuck around in Africa. 50% of their Project for Awesome goes there. Or does it?

Bill Gates is a lot smarter than he lets you know.

Is his wife stupid? What's wrong with funding foundations to fight ageing?

well
you can freeze certain insects and theyll go back to whatever the fuck they were doing before they were frozen once thawed.
Except our physiology is much different from an exoskeletal insect. we have much more complex and specialized bullshit going on that gets all dicked up when we get into frozen
tldr probably not gonna happen unless you figure out why exactly insects can survive the deepfreezer

africans don't die of old age, it won't increase the BBC market

>Biological immortality is made within century.
Okay Veeky Forums tell me. What is the next big thing for humanity if we created biological immortality this century?

something that satisfy the needs of "immortal" beings
>food and lebensraum
>entertainement
some other shit I can't think of

1)go to africa, invade and 'colonize' a few remote villages.
2)set up infrastructure and testing facilities for genetic manipulation in close vicinity to said villages
3)formulate theories on the nature of human ageing and verify by experimenting on the inhabitants of the villages
4)????
5)die due to old age or during a raid of the government which you invaded before you achieve your goal.

it won't take that long. AI revolution combined with a biotech revolution, I give it 10 years until the aging problem is (fully) solved in the lab and 20 before average westerners can afford it.

...

Why would they ever allow an average man to afford it willingly? And if they don't, would there be a revolution? Would they hide the fact that it's invented?

...

how would they hide it? And who are they?

most of the technologies required to do this are already pretty well publicized. if anyone was going to stop the masses from learning of them it would have to be 30+ years ago.

A person's emergent "consciousness" is locked into the architecture, the neural pathways and their specific weights and action potentials, within the brain. This makes uploading one's mind to a computer nonviable if you wish to escape death because your brain will still experience that death if its energy structure alone is transferred over. The only way it would really circumvent the death of the host would be if the computer replaced the brain itself piece by piece, allowing the host to keep a continuous stream of experience throughout the process, albeit necessitating a series of uncomfortable surgical recoveries.

>I want to be immortal
No, you don't. It's 100% inevitable that you eventually run out of universe to explore and life to live and then you're stuck in a nightmarish dead universe by yourself for the all eternity. You would essentially be damning yourself to a literal form of hell.

Imagination is infinite, though. I'd like to think that humanity will never run out of new things to think about. History is on my side.

Everything is finite. Even if it takes you 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years or more to think every thought, see every sight, hear, every sound, and experience every experience possible in this universe or others, you will eventually run out of things to do. At that point everything else will have ended except for you, and you will never end. You'll be trapped with nothing to do for a period of time so long that you wouldn't even be able to comprehend it because it would just never end.

>Everything is finite.

We don't know that.

According to all logic we do. Will new opportunities endlessly pop themselves up into existence to keep your immortal self being bored? Are you really willing to risk that against the much more likely possibility of spending eternity in immortal hell? That's a gamble that I would never take.

>Create new universe in innumerable amount of time.
>It has new things his old universe didn't have.

It has no new things that were previously necessary in the original world.

You have a finite number of neurons, and so there can only be a finite number of combinations of the ways these neurons can fire, and thus you cannot have infinite number of ideas.

Well the multiverse theory is on my side nothing like an out of this universe experience

I don't understand why people are against biological immortality when the pros of it out weigh the cons by milestones.

Me too. If it is about overpopulation then I would be glad to lawfully declare on paper that in exchanget for biological immortality I will not have any children.

Overpopulation is a threat mostly to 3rd world countries and sort of a meme.

When the quality of life increases (Which it has) people tend to stop having a lot more children like in the US, Europe, Japan, and other first world countries. You also get a large crowd of older people.

Due to the fact that we as humans have not even found time travel just wow also the secret is elements 169 ,134 and 1 in a core with 3 rods protruding 1 rod per element let the elements mix and you has time travel but you guys are not even close

>>Eat healthily
>>excercise
>>get a wife
>>live till 80-90
>>realise you don't want to live forever anymore,

Truth of life

>he doesn't understand CRISPR

telomeres degenerate, cancer chances constantly increase, others choose not stay alive, time becomes increasingly meaningless, lose all loved once, get fed up of those that hang around for the next 400 years. why live? kys now

No, this is inferred, but not known.

Immortality is not the same as invulnerability. Some people in our life time may extend their lives beyond the 200s, and in the future humans may reach the 1000s, but accidents happen.

No one is going to life forever, ever.

> not wanting to commence your soul to Aetherius

That sounds better desu.