Do psychedelic drugs such as DMT and LSD allow you to precieve certain metaphysical phenomenon? Please no bully

>antidotes
wat

Yes, it puts you in direct contact with the universal archypes that live in the collective unconsciousness. LSD is the antidote for post-modernism and post-structuralism.

>unconsciousness
Unconscious*

>Tfw I've listened to post-modern music influenced by LSD

I would say yes. I have experienced "ego death" from acid in the past.

Very scary at the time of happening but I believe I'm more mentally tough because of it.

So?

>the Godhead Itself
This is a bald faced lie. I saw the unseen while tripping on some potent white blotter years ago and I can tell you straight up it's nothing but wheels, wheels upon wheels and more wheels. They mostly looked like this.

Bad trips are the best trips.

Flunitrazepam.

>tfw take up to 500mg of DXM every day
>tfw can't get high off of psychedelics anymore
>tfw too intelligent for psychedelics

When i Tried MDMA i closed my eyes and traveld through a highly detailed portal and saw different planets and astroides like i WAs seeing it in a movie, Then i saw the face of some kind of alien, (possibly the typicle "grey" alien although the one i saw Was more Brown) i opened my eyes immidietly after seeing this being

Drug bros with a neuroscience bachelors aren't neuroscientists.

metaphysics is fucking bullshit. it might help you find meaning in life or realise changes you want to make. idk. i spam lsd weekly im big boy cid in a sense. it is fun as fuck and makes life better and the afterglow is good. its nice to think with racing thoughts. i also like doing normal stuff on it like guitar, music, games. thinking about math is also really cool. adds new depth. childlike wonder for everything. childlike wonder and genuine disgust. i ate all my tabs so i gotta skip this weekend. oh well i got shit to do anyways. ps fuck the degenerate shits who think they see god on acid or whatever, they give me a bad name. legit low iq brainlets.

>That absolute garbage vernacular and grammar
>Bragging about taking lsd weekly
>Calling anyone else low IQ

>Believing someone is an idiot for having a different drug induced experience than you

Sorry, the only idiot here is you.

last lsd two lsd gave me mad horror trips, they do not work well for me desu, better stick with the natural pendant shrooms.

but good weed makes me trip pretty hard aswell, i prefer it over most

im finishing a phd in pure math and have multiple published papers ur mad as fuq

You just described all of human perception

>bad trip
Not a real thing

I haven't tried them yet but I'm so fucking curious and I'm a coward at the same time. I don't have balls to try them because I don't know anywhere near my town that I can reach ''safe and clean'' acid.

God is love, love is all

That's very ignorant and stupid

>500 dose
>think about your life while tripping
nigger, have you ever dropped acid?

mush spores can be bought online for scientific research

people who have not had a spiritual experience pls leave.

ego death is the best thing ever. it's fully liberating and tranquility in essence. but you have to accept it and let every go. it's not easy.

I've experienced a very pure form of love. It entered every pore in my body. Felt better than sex.
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You first, Deepak.

wow you're truly better than everyone else. i hope you have a good life in the future too!

god retards like this are why psychedelics get such a bad rap

no, the "machine elves" did not "introduce you to god", shut the fuck up

psychs are fun and exciting but not when you're a pretentious new age twat about it

no fun allowed

U need ur brani ripped open, fgt

Underlied by the assumption that one's natural state of mind is the only valid method of perception. Human perception is inherently imperfect; why should altered states of mind be less valid as a means of gathering information

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And why is that dad? I want Santa to come, I WANT!
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Yeah, there are idiots that think machine elves literally introduced them to god. We all fucking hate the new age movement.

But you'd also have to be a close minded fool to dismiss both the notion that spirituality, whether atheistic or otherwise, is deeply important to the human condition, and to dismiss that psychedelics can be deeply useful in exploring this spirituality.

> inb4 hurr duurr souls aren't real religion is for dipshits u newage faggot

Not new age. Not religious. Spirituality is a lot of things. It doesn't require religion or metaphysics. Just exploring your perception and subjective experience, and altered states are especially useful for this.

lmfao spirituality is bullshit
never claimed to be just refuting your claim

i guess if you do it right it can be nice but i'm pretty sure given how retarded most people are they probably take pyschadelics wrong.

that wasn't even me... i though you were intelligent?

he though rong

Sisaisgiheniwb?

Spirituality is basic to the human experience. Its what helps us cope with a meaningless universe and to live lives that don't feel like absolute shit when we're not distracted by random shit or busy with self-delusion.

Hey! That's what I said, buddy!

You are well Jung. Your gf must be pleased.

Anyway, do this. Take your computer. Now install a nasty virus on it, until a screen comes on telling you to call a number or else your data will be erased. Russian porn sites are good for that.

Is that a new level of the metaphysical Internet? Or did you just fuck up the software?

as someone whose done it

no

only use them to get to know yourself and subconscious, anything more than that and you're just schizo

Because it's a drug in your brain temporarily changing its functionality. It is by definition all in your head

It's really amazing that on a board where people are supposedly "scientists", or scientifically inclined, there's also a huge correlation with nihilism.

Coincidence?

its the main science dogma

The only correct answer is "maybe, maybe not."

nihilism is the only philosophy. as "spiritual" as i get on lsd is thinking about void and absurdity. you only create meaning yourself, and it is false meaning.

Have you seen the elves, OP?

They've allowed my to perceive pic related, my current model.

Haven't tried DMT yet even though I've had it stored since 2015.

nihilism is a bullshit brainlet philosophy that doesn't even fucking say anything

Nihilism says everything if you aren't an edgy teenager or a person who becomes sad thinking about it.

>nothing in life matters
Yeah things in life matter to me, therefore your painfully cringey philosophy is objectively wrong.

nihlism is either in this form(objectively wrong) or the "nothing in life has meaning" which like I says nothing, because meaning is not defined and is impossible to define.

>objectively wrong
Elaborate

>nothing in life matters
>things matter to me
>nothing
>thing
>nothing=/=thing
>objectively wrong

>to me
>objective

I'm not arguing against nihilism. I'm not even arguing for creating your own meaning.

An example of what I would refer to as "spirituality": using lsd to help yourself realize, on a deeply emotional, visceral level, that even your concept of self doesn't exist, because its an abstraction used to link together memories from your meat-puppet to the current condition of your meat puppet and extrapolate to possible future events including your meat puppet.

A huge part of spirituality as I understand it is deeply accepting meaninglessness and uncertainty, to produce inner contentedness. Because if we're going to be here anyway, and if it doesn't matter, why not be content?

I never said things mattering is objective. I just said your philosophy is objectively wrong.

Nice strawman though.

If I see a tree, that the tree is there is subjective. That I see a tree is objective.

But that's fucking wrong retard, your logic is flawed

Well, they certainly make you *think* you're able to perceive them. The question is, "What is reality?"

As absolutely stupid of a question as that is, its annoyingly relevant when you take an objective look at your subjective experience without any assumptions.

Then you realize that you can't actually prove anything. Logic itself is a construct based on what appears to work in the physical world. Then, if you doubt the physical world, you're left with nothing.

Eventually there's the realization that you can only accept reality based on faith. You have faith that there's an objective, physical world that corresponds at least in some way to your sensations.

You also eventually realize that half the conflicts in this world that aren't about resources are embedded in the different kinds of faith employed to make this world liveable.

It gets absurd fast.

Define metaphysical. LSD allows you to see with influence from your imagination, I really have no clue what you mean by metaphysical here. Abstract concepts? No, theyre abstract. You can think about abstractions in many ways you would be very unlikely to while not on LSD, but you dont gain any "perception" of these concepts. Sometimes visual hallucinations will flow with music, if thats what you mean.

Faggot i ate a G R A M.of 4acoDMT and then took abot 100mg a day for 3.5 months.

The TRIP is an aberration and not the result. The RESULTS occur after acclimation. Acclimation to the point you can safely operate heavy machinery on 4 high doses.

None of you know the method.

>It gets absurd fast.
And that was exactly what I meant, but didn't have to type it all.

Because for those of us who aren't junkies, your ramblings about the 7th dimensional sexiverse priest are useless.

elaborate, my logic is flawless

Don't be mad because I proved that your whole philosophy is garbage

I bet you call yourself an "intellectual" fucking kys

What about when they're not

see that keyboard those cheeto fingers just used?
just in your head m8, no such thing as external world dude. look it up.

THEN provide sauce to such a scenario

I'm sure there are many scientists who use LSD and RCs but don't wish to disclose.

Even if it's never happened, the point is that it could happen.

I'm majoring in physics at a highly ranked national research university. I believe in psychedelics. You can say I'm young, but don't deny it til you try it.

Of course you can't actually "see" anything, but it lets you think in ways you otherwise couldn't, which can be extremely valuable.

Also this, you can believe as much of it as you want

cracked.com/article_16532_the-5-greatest-things-ever-accomplished-while-high.html

not him, but you are subjectively inferring that he is objectively wrong

I understand that people take psychedelics to find new ways to think about things, this isn't very hard to figure out.
If you're looking for a fresh perspective, there are a myriad of ways to alter your brain chemistry that don't involve psychedelics

>psychadelics

opinion discarded

>it's nothing but wheels, wheels upon wheels and more wheels

Sounds like God to me...

How so?

nothing mattering contradicting with something mattering is deduction and objective.

Unless you want to say things mattering to me is subjective, which is just a whole nother philosphical argument at that point...

>there are a myriad of ways to alter your brain Chemistry that don't involve psychedelics
Not altered nearly as much. This argument amounts to convincing a professional football player he shouldn't take steroids, which just isn't very realistic.

There was no figurative or literal head so it's a misnomer then, all wheels. Oh yeah, and everyone in the party could communicate telepathically. This ability seemed to come and go in waves. LSD is not very common and hard to manufacture, also too bad it's illegal because something tells me this world would be a very different place with easy access to these drugs. Maybe not better, maybe much better but certainly different. Maybe legalizing weed is a good first step, maybe not, but at this juncture we should try anything and everything.

What kind of results occur after acclimation?

>genuine disgust

I tried LSD for the first time about a week ago. I recall going to the bathroom and upon looking at my body, I felt this intense disgust with myself. I'm not fat but I don't have a ton of muscle mass either and it kind of just felt like I was seeing a human body for the first time and it was repulsive. Is this a common feeling?

Shouldn't that be flipped? The tree being there is objective, as it can be verified regardless of your personal standing on it. But your seeing the tree is subjective, as it is entirely dependent on you whether or not you can see said tree.

Your LSD trip is entirely subjective, if you were so disgusted with your body, perhaps get into the habit of going to the gym! At least do 30 push ups a day - some sort of strenuous physical activity.

I had something similar. I had struggled with really disordered eating for years. I had never really had any friends and had always been the skinnyfat/borderline chubby loser.

I started lifting and running a shitload halfeay through highschool and a lot of intense dieting, but it didn't go the best when a) my entire sense of self worth at the time depended on how many calories I ate, and b) food was still my only steady friend.

So as pathetic as it is to admit for a guy, I had a problem with binging/fasting for years and a shitload of stress and anxiety associated with that and my body.

Seeing my body in the mirror on lsd was something else. It was like I was looking at myself from somebody else's eyes, seeing myself the way others saw me, or looking at myself the way I would look at others.

I was disgusted at first. But I gradually realized it was okay. Its honestly what helped me get past a lot of it.

fuck that guy, finishing a double major in compsci and financial engineering at an ivy league and i love acid, do it multiple times a month.
you hear that fuckboi?

Acid shows you little secret details about how your brain works, you can utilize them and learn how to learn

lets see those papers then

most 1st gen antipsychotics will cancel out the effects of psychedelics. benzos will also work, but they just put you to sleep.

Last time I did DMT I definitely felt like I was in a 4 dimensional room populated by giants made out of light in 70's futuristic jump suits. They kept coming over and touching my face and chest, it felt very loving.

Having said that, I don't believe I'm accessing some higher plan, just that my imagination was going wild.

>tfw too intelligent

not for long if you keep drinking cough syrup

The etymology of the word metaphysical should give you a hint on the non existence of this phenomenons.

everything just seems gross as fuck even with all the vivid colors and rainbows. looking at myself was damn gross and i avoid mirrors. im not even ugly, just bothers me

>>>cure depression/anxiety
>>>drugs
yeah no

not necessarily
you might be seeing things you usually ignore
it feels that way