When did you grow out of your red wine phase? White is better in every aspect

Beef & lamb - red wine
Pork, chicken & fish - white

Any other time it's mainly spirits like gin/rum/vodka.

I think my drinking is now a lot more determined to what I'm cooking. But I am biased towards red wines to be honest.

Whiskey is definitely better than wine, but usually beer is the best option.
Wine is definitely ok, its just almost never the best choice for both taste and cost reasons, you can get significantly better beers for a fraction of the price of an ok wine

>the ancient greeks..
Oh boy this gon be gud

>no longer a child
topkek, I said nothing about child vs adult, or change in taste over time
you embarrass yourself by projection

this response is palatable

thats because they used lead cups

>thats because they used lead cups
Yes but my point is that if those patricians can enjoy sweetened wine, then so can we.

when you get old enough to have a job you might worry less about grams of ethanol per penny

they're not in competition, I drink beer too. does that seem outlandish to you?

>The ancient greeks and romans basically invented wine
No they didn't.
History.

'sugar of lead' was truly a mistake

I didn't say they invented it.
I said they basically invented it.
Reading.

>this wall of butthurt text
comfirmed adult

I also drink both, but I can get a 4 pack of amazing tier beer for $12, but a bottle of equivalent quality wine is well over $100 per bottle
I spend quite a bit on alcohol, but its just hard to justify the outrageous price of quality wine
>they're not in competition
They are pretty directly in competition when I have to decide what I want to drink at a restaurant or liquor store. Wines fine but its rarely a tough decision

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>amazing tier beer for $12, but a bottle of equivalent quality wine is well over $100 per bottle
this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard

are you one of those idiots who doesn't have a sense of taste and just buys whatever got a 97 or higher on a random ratings site?

if you're that lost you should use it to your advantage. just drink bottom shelf vodka instead of mindlessly obeying someone else's preferences

Sorry that I like good things

if you need someone else to tell you what's good, you don't like nice things. you like the prestige they bring, but you don't care about the things themselves because they are just an instrument to trick people into thinking you're a worldly connoisseur

When did I say anything about needing someone to tell me what is good?
I do most of my drinking by myself in my living room, its not a prestige thing, though funny you mention that as prestige marketing is wine's whole schtick. You sound very much like you are describing wine drinkers

>When did I say anything about needing someone to tell me what is good?
When you made a statement equating wine quality with prices over $100. You are obviously picking wines like Silver Oak and Opus One, from the ads in a golf magazine, marketed to people who think wine is for putting on airs
>you are describing wine drinkers
Not exactly. I'm describing ignorant people like you who pretend to know something about wine because you skimmed the "top ten Napa Cabs you have to try" from a lifestyle mag

Let me guess.
You tried to like red wines because that is the "adult" thing to do, but red wine is just too strong to your palate, so you went to the easier to drink whites? There is a reason why mostly only women drink white wines outside of the dining table.

I'm just going off experience, I don't read shit about wine, but I have tried a fair amount, and you just cannot find excellent wine for a decent price,quite unlike beer where you can easily stumble upon some amazing beer just buying random $10-12 4 packs or $6-15 22oz bottles at the grocery store. The standards for wine are just so much lower

Also, I want to add, how fucking old are you that you assume others read magazines? Who the fuck reads magazines in 2017?

>I tasted a few random wines and didn't like them but I bet the $100 ones are
good
ftfy, enjoy lying about your experience
you fit the profile of a "prestige palate" rube to the T. picking shit from cracked top 10 lists isn't fundamentally different from a paper magazine

Why don't you try some local wine?
I live in the Fingerlakes in upstate NY and we literally have over 100 wineries here.
You can get local wines dirt cheap, and some really good ones can be found for like $10 / bottle.

Also, you do realize that wine has more alcohol than beer, right?
Most beer is 4-5% ABV, and most beer is 12-14% ABV, so basically a 10 oz glass of wine is like 3 beers.

Surely you have better taste than everyone else

Let me guess.
There is very little in your life for you to be proud of and you live like an immature manlet, so you fall back on being an elitist in things like media and food?

This whole entirely sidestepping the actual topic to throw out arbitrary insults thing isn't exactly helping your point. The fact is you can go to the grocery store and easily find amazing beer for decent prices, you cannot do this for wine

I have my own personal preferences, which is infinitely more than you can say given that your basis for enjoyment is entirely based on opinions fed to you by others

ITT: butthurt winehards

>The fact is you can go to the grocery store and easily find amazing beer for decent prices, you cannot do this for wine
not my fault you don't have a good wine shop nearby

>The fact is you can go to the grocery store and easily find amazing beer for decent prices, you cannot do this for wine

Let's get serious.
If you're drinking Orval or Chimay on a daily basis, you're spending more than you would on a decent wine.

I shouldn't have to make a special trip to a second store to get good alcohol, also there is no decently priced top tier wine. Finding great wine is easy, finding great wine that is reasonably price is not because of the whole bullshit culture around wine drinking

Not really though. Euro beer is certainly overpriced compared to American ones of equal and greater quality (which makes sense from the increased shipping costs and higher taxes in Europe), but its still much more reasonably priced than great wine

read the thread

he thinks "decent wine" is synonymous with whatever ended up on "top cult wines you need to try" lists and less than $100 = gross pleb shit

literally the caricature of a retarded wine snob, using his own ignorance as a basis for why wine is a scam

Please inform me of all this world class yet cheap wine you can find at your super market

I drank sassicaia at a dinner. Thought it was a cheap ass merlot. Why is red wine so expensive?

when your definition of good wine is literally that it's at least $100, you're making a circular argument

no, see

You make a compelling point, but have you considered the possibility that he's trolling the shit out of you?

yeah, fair enough
I'm out

What an absurd argument on your part. You cannot tell me any great cheap wine because You think that I don't think any cheap wine can be great? And you say I am the one being circular?

Cheers mate
Buy local!

Wot, a great wine starts at 10$ or less per bottle mate, even in expensive european countries. Yes beer is cheaper, but it's not that much cheaper.

Red wine for winter, white for summer. Fuck sweet wines altogether.

Its called port wine. Give it a try. Wine fortified with brandy. Much sweeter and way more alcohol.

Drinking red wine at the bar, feeling sophisticated. Girls are saying "who's the sweaty guy with the purple lips?"

>that's why they got lead poisoning
Totally not their pipes or anything, yeah it was the wine sweetener

I havent soent more then $15 on a bottle on wine in quite some time and always get really good tasting stuff. There are a lot of surprisingly good, cheap french, spanish, and italian wines. Like i recently bought a 2015 bellerusche cotes du rhone that was $12. You just have to be willing to try different wine. Not stick with the same shit everyday.

why would you be sweating in a bar? is this a drug culture thing?

What do you mean special trip? I live in Texas and can get great, cheap wine from all over the world.

Forgot to say that my local liquor store stocks all these wines.

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Special trip as I would rather buy my stuff at the grocery store than go to a second specialized store as I have to go to the grocery store regardless

You never go to the liquor store? I mean if thats your reasoning for not getting wine then stick with beer. Most grocery stores usually stock shitty brands of wine and charge way more for it.

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I only use red wine for cooking or when I can mix it with orange juice. Spiced wine is pretty great too.

But for straight drinking white is better

I often go to the liquor store, but not as often as I do the grocery store, and most of the grocery stores near me stock excellent beer selections

Looks to me like a discussion about wine that a picky one-drink manchild is trying to turn into something he can have an opinion on for lack of anything to add on the actual topic of the thread

You're like those people who jump into a thread about a food you haven't had before and goes "looks like shit just gimme a steak still mooing lol"

Same with me.

TL;DR of this thread:
>STOP LIKING THINGS I DON'T LIKE!!! REEEEEE
>STOP DISLIKING THINGS I LIKE REEEEEEEE

God I fucking hate this board

and yet, you'll be here until hiromoot gives the board to russian spammers and it's literally one giant flash ad for escorts and penis pumps

don't forget you're here forever

Except its nothing like that. It was lamenting the bullshit culture around wine that leads to good stuff being so much more expensive and pretentious than other kinds of good alcohol despite not being as good as those other types of alcohol

I know :(

I immediately look down on two types of people at restaurants:

the ones that order chicken tenders and fries.

and the ones that casually drink nothing but white wine.

instead of complaining why not post the actual specific bottles of wines you have tasted that you like or dislike, and what characteristics you found appealing or unappealing? you are anonymous so no worries about using the wrong word and being humiliated by the imaginary wine snob in your head

it might actually be interesting unlike your inane grousing about how wine is a conspiracy to make you feel dumb

To be clear, its not about not liking things, I think the problem is way too many ok wine, little of it bad, just not worth the purchase when such great beer is so readily available for significantly less money

you already said that. why are you so afraid of posting some names?