Doctors are the most respected and important professionals. Prove me wrong

Doctors are the most respected and important professionals. Prove me wrong.

> pro tip: you can't

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Only reason people say that is because brainlets like to watch Grey's Anatomy. Your field of study is a boring chore and you are still overpaid.

Go write some permission slips for drugs.

Engineers are

Film major here.

You need entertainment, you need distraction.

Doesn't answer the question. It is the most respected profession and pays extremely well. Academic Research is also a thing.

Please act your age.

Close, but no.

Medicine student here..probably you are right about the importance of medicine because the health is essential to permit all others uman activities..I'm not agree with you about the respect..in my opinion respect is based on what you do and what you think, not on what you studied.

That's true, but mediums and e-celebs are also highly repsected. If yoy are trying to imply it's then the most important/best field you are wrong.

A lot of foreign doctors and pajeets bring down the reputation of doctors, unfortunately.

>tfw when doctors are always impressed when I tell them I'm an engineer
"Wow I couldn't do that, tried in undergrad though!"

Probably, but why would you value the respect of most anyway, have you considered the source?

>tfw ironic shitposting antagonizes Veeky Forums and makes me embarrassed to admit that i study medicine even though i'm pretty decent

come on dude, it's bad enough that i haven't solved a differential equation in my life, don't hurt my feefees

Doctors have been a source of disappointment for me. I think if you see a doctor for a problem that's not easily diagnoseable or serious, you're out of luck.

"It's probably just in your head. Now get out of here so I can remove a wart or prescribe a placebo for the common cold"

Yes this, and it gets worse when you go to specialists (especially lazy ones that don't want to break their routines) and especially again when your problem clearly is not something in your head because EMTs have had to drive your seizuring ass to the hospital repeatedly.

Are you french?

t. Sanjay Pooinloo

How's your arranged marriage working out? Did she let have sex with her yet?

>"""need"""
>film is the only form of entertainment/distraction

law, medicine, and engineering are the three pillars of civilization. also known as the jewish mothers holy trinity.

Since you didn't say "medical doctors", why would I try to prove you wrong?

Philosophy is the bedrock

>Doctors are the most respected and important professionals.

Have much respect for this guy?

- thestar.com/news/gta/2016/12/02/toronto-neurosurgeon-charged-with-murder-of-doctor-wife.html
- Toronto neurosurgeon charged with murder of doctor wife

If you read the news, you'll see too many doctors like this guy to respect them ALL without question.
I myself am would be raging angry if he killed my daughter.

Medicine is a double edged sword. it cures and helps people survive but as edgy as I sound, it interferes with natural selection.

If humans didn't had emotions, medicine wouldn't exist.

How'd you get in without calc 2?

>it interferes with natural selection
Wow. You should not share your thoughts on Veeky Forums or real life.

>most respected
sure, one of
>and important
that would be teaching

>Doctors are the most respected and important professionals.
It used to be priests. Before that, the town mystic. People make irrational judgements. So what?

>A lot of foreign doctors and pajeets bring down the reputation of doctors
By being good doctors?

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living on a dollar a day is not natural selection. heart disease and cancer are not natural selection they're dietary and lifestyle consequences respectively.

also

>If humans didn't had emotions, medicine wouldn't exist.

Find Jesus you miserable fuck.

"It is the most respected profession"
Speak for yourself Pajeet. Your degree gets you a nice parking spot and the benefit of the doubt when making medical claims. Half the doctors I've encountered browse WebMD behind their patient's back in order to find a diagnosis.

I mean, congrats on being a professional rote learner I guess?

200,000$ salary at minimum.

Have fun getting yanked around by your PI.

Intern here, this thread just proves why we are no longer respected, people with good brains and logical aruments act stupid when their feelings are hurt, it sucks, medicine is really hard and complex and we are no longer respected.

You make lots of money. Good for you.

>come back to Veeky Forums after 2 years
>every thread is still "my major is better than yours"

That is not the staff of Asclepius in the picture.

That's Caduceus, the symbol of traders and thieves.

>muh doktorrs are unstained and pure

wow your shitty group of sleazy greedheads torturing ppl to death is sure uh respected and hm important of course you piece of stunted slime

>tfw want to become a surgeon to save the lives of others with my hands instead of taking my own life with them

brothers how do i go about doing this. do i quit my day job and just go ham on prerequisites? or should i self study for the MCAT?

I can't comment on the merits of your individual claims, but a lot of people--smart people too--don't understand the diagnostic process, and I think that's mainly because doctors don't try to explain it (which is odd, because it would take a maximum of one minute).

When you go to a general practitioner with a problem, usually the doctor will do one of two things: Tell you to wait and see, or prescribe some type of antibiotics. In the wait and see case, you will either see the doctor again, or you won't.

If you don't go to the doctor, your problem either resolved on its own, in which case you don't need to go back, or the problem isn't serious enough for you to think that you need to go back, in which case I guess the doctor just doesn't care. Why spend time solving a problem nobody cares about?

If you go to the doctor again, the doctor now has a shitload more information, even if there was no development in your illness.

In the antibiotics case, you either don't go back--which implies that you are cured--or you go back. If you go back, this gives the doctor a shitload of information, regardless of the progression of your illness.

TL;DR: There's a literal fuckton of diseases. The most cost-effective way of performing accurate diagnoses is to use the passage of time to your favor. The alternative would be to spend thousands of dollars running a lot of tests, which is clearly not feasible for many reasons.

That's just faulty generalization. Here, I can do the same thing:

youtube.com/watch?v=j12BBcKSgEQ

Obviously all physics PhD's are fucking retards.

>medicine and engineering
>pillars of civilization
Both of those professions are ruined by low-wage foreigners. Especially engineering is quite shit-tier nowadays compared to law and medicine.

All you need is webmd and Ibuprofen
>prove me wrong, protip: you cant
heres the (you) btw op

i'm european, all our physics math is plug and chug

Pajeets are bad doctors. They are looked down upon since they have 0 clinical skills and only theoretical knowledge.

Test

fondling balls and fingering butt holes is not important

>i'm european
Fuck off with this shit. Say which country you dumbass.
The educational systems differ you know.

I'm sorry I triggered you user. I forgot it's 2017 and nobody can have a different opinion from the rest without cussing each other out.

>butthurt pre-med that can't even post the correct symbol
And fuck off until you actually get into medical school.

Go on SDN. It's a good resource. But coming into medicine with "surgery or nothing" attitude is absolutely full on retard. Only do this if you are fine with doing primary care.

The good ones are rare. A compete lack of social skills, self-awareness, and decent sense are far and away the norm. Medicine as a study certainly lends itself to this deficiency, but candidates from other cultures tend to learn the motions more quickly.

The way academic medicine is taught could use some serious work though....

You don't seem to understand natural selection. There's no failure of the order just because the traits you personally approve of aren't being selected for.

I have experience in primary care as an RN. That said, I want to move further from my limited position. There is only so much I can do for my patients before I have to defer to a doc or surgeon, and this frustrates me. Not that I'm badmouthing any of these dudes/dudettes, they're great at their jobs. Just had a recent experience with patient family that infuriated me, and I feel if I was not an RN, they would atleast listen to the shit I say.

medicine is for women

Natural selection is a weak meme, it isn't even capable of saving itself.

I'm sick of these idiots using the Caduceus. Med school was the same and it never goes away really.

Yes please inflate some doctors ego some more so he can let his arrogance get the best of him and commit to some treatment which ultimately kills a patient like say, my mother 15 years ago, because OH WHOOPSY DOODLE DAISY he forgot to examine her patient history closely enough to realize that the treatment he prescribed her would KILL HER OVERNIGHT. Doctors are dumb fuck faggots with their heads shoved all the way to their colons. The only good doctors are the ones who can admit they don't know what the fuck they're really doing. I have met, 2 who are like that and I respect them greatly.

(((Who))) controls the medical industry??

Natural selection will be obsolete in terms of human survival once we perfect nano bots that work with human immunities.

How do you like your x-rays doc

Hahaha, no. A typical MD makes around $120,000 starting out.

I'm just getting into the field. I want to start as an RN - how was the journey for you? I have a GED and a handful of college credits.

>tfw developing AI clinical decision support systems that will make doctors irrelevant within 10 years

Doctors such as these should be shot.

>medicine is really hard and complex
Lol, as someone who reads both pubmed and arxiv, let me just say, no, it's not. Not even close.

Are you me? My condolences. I know that feel.

Thank you. The real hero amongst men.

aka you read an article once?

Aka I cured my own disease your delusional peers couldn't, faggot.

user you found the cure for schizophrenia?

Lol most doctors should be purged tbqh. Can't wait til that AI hits. You're gonna be wondering how many more dicks it'll take to suck to get out of your monstrous debt. But I mean hey, at least you'll already know your mouth herpes and AIDs isn't curable, right?

behold how the archetypal MD argues his points

I'm a chemist.

Not a medfag but how stupid is that... IA will not replace physicians, it'll help them in their work like every bloody biotech does... IA will be one more tool that doctors will have to make their decisions. You clearly have no clue of what you're talking about and you're an embarrassment (not to mention you sound pretty jealous with your tone)..

He questioned someone's claim, he put forth no argument himself.

The more I read into medicine, the deeper I see the rabbit hole go. talks about pubmed like it's not there to be consumed and arxiv as if it's mainstream.. Maybe dedicate yourself to reading a medical text then see where that leads you.

t. mechanical engineer who's interests don't end there

ooooh bro you read pubmed? You're a real high level operator

Wow an autist on Veeky Forums. That's not jealousy, that's anger over someone else's incompetence. The same kind of anger that coined the phrase ignorance is evil. If the AI is not too far in style from WebMD (as laughable as it is), it'll make waves. It'll definitely reduce pay.

Cured a disease that y'all couldn't because of it, buddy. I don't know what metric medfags use to grade themselves, but apparently it's not their patients' health.

I'm talking about the pubmed searchable journal database. Not the little articles they write for the layman's consumption. The analogy is apt; arxiv is to other hard science, as pubmed is to medicine. There's no comparison in the complexity, however.

lol get real; he didn't "question" shit, he was blindly attacking the guy

I didn't quite catch your meaning regarding pubmed being or not being there for consumption btw. You mean, one shouldn't just blindly read studies in the sense that one study is not the be all end all confirmation of anything, and medical literature is a better starting point? (no shit)

I will ask this though, to the non-med people mentioning pubmed, how do you mean you read it? don't you need an account or something to read the full studies?

That's why the most important,hardworking and famous doctors are all men

what disease? Obviously can't have been that much of a secret if you found the answer in published work.

>don't you need an account or something to read the full studies?
No, there's free full texts on there. There's even buttons for search filters for them and reviews, apart from the MeSH (or w/e) labeling system. You used to not need an account to advanced search. The account is free anyway.

Over a 12 month period 63% of family
physicians had some experience of violence, while 18%
experienced some sort of abuse at least once a month in a
city in UK.

Where is the respect towards doctors or any medical professional? We are treated like shit.

What you said was true 50 years ago. Nowadays, we are overworked, disrespected in every way, underpaid and drowned in bureaucratics.

Certainly not great.

Some niche autoimmune thing i didn't know was autoimmune nor did I even have a name for prior to the internet. I'd rather not say what it is. I'm not doing medicinal drug discovery if that's what you're thinking. That doesn't change the fact explaining the etiology of a disease is a thousand times easier than explaining the different mechanisms of physical phenomenon.

>No, there's free full texts on there

BS, majority of articles need submission from the original journal. PM account is free, NEJM or Lancet is not free. Stop wasting our time please.

Hospitals and universities generally pays for access to every journal. At least mine does.

it's not the point here. There is not "free full text" on PM, at least not the important ones.

alright pal whatever you say

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't PM have links to the articles respective journals, where you can read the full text?

You're right, but you have to pay if you want the full text.

And, no, it's not exactly secret to extrapolate what certain effects immunoregulatory cytokines would have on humans based on studies on mice. However, to expect a person to wait 10 years while he's dying for the FDA to get off its ass and approve a treatment is ridiculous. You'd think doctors would even let you know about possible theoretical treatments based on his knowledge of the etiology of your disease, but they don't even stay current with their knowledge and wouldn't tell you anyway. Inb4 muh lawsuits. Yeah, well, a moral doctor would strive to fix that broken system. You can't expect anything from them.

Also I don't know if they have a system to check contraindications with patient histories and between different drugs now, but they didn't back in the 90's or my mother's doctor was just lazy. It's ridiculous if they don't have a system.

I'd be more forgiving if it wasn't for the wham bam thank you man, DONT YOU DARE QUESTION MY KNOWLEDGE attitudes that infect medfags like gangrene.

Yeah, I was saying that most hospitals/ universities pay for the access. I just have to use my .edu email, and have full access.

You're wrong. Completely. There's plenty of free full text articles on there, even for the reviews. It's easy to find one within the last 3 years on the subject you're researching, too. Unless you're implying paywalled articles are more complex than free ones, which I highly doubt. You have no idea what you're taking about

"Underpaid", You what?

Currently doing my residency, I absolutely am being underpaid.

Also IIRC taxpayer funded studies have to be open access now. Not too sure if that's correct, though.

unless you're seeing some hyperspecialist involved in research on your particular disease you can hardly expect them to be up to date on research in mice which might be 10+ years from the clinic. there are many thousands of diseases which are still poorly understood.

I think patients reading the literature is great and can help doctors keep their knowledge current, just don't claim to have 'solved your own disease' on the basis of reading an article you found on pubmed.

>just don't claim to have 'solved your own disease' on the basis of reading an article you found on pubmed
Well I didn't get the cure from a medfag now did I? In fact, doctors proactively discourage you. Where do you think I picked up that knowledge?

It's not much to read the latest review. There's not that many different human diseases within a specialty.

The lengths you go to defend your dissonance is amazing.

go on then, follow through and tell us all of your great discovery.

>I think it's good patients sometimes solve the disease
>just don't claim to have solved the disease on the basis of you solving the disease

Pretty sure that can't be completely true.

t. does research in academia paid for by the DoD that is certainly not gonna see the light of day

Theres so many of them and most of the med fags are straight A students with below average intelligence, all they do is memorize shit, quite a bad practice provided that doctors actual job is of analytical nature.

What do you want me to say? It was probiotics. No doctor prescribes those for what I had, or for anything hardly. If I suggested perhaps they would work I'd get a hand waved in my face and condescended. There was nothing on the Wikipedia page about them. Nothing anywhere that says "here's how you cure it." It took me a long time trawling through pubmed articles, trying different possible treatments, and learning what regulatory t cells among other things were. I didn't get it laid out to me on a platter.

Why are you so salty? Because I'm implying doctors are lazy? Well, most of them are. You're wrong if you think otherwise.

And to add to my argument, you couldn't do what I did with medicinal articles with physics articles. It's just too complex.

>DoD
>Department of Doctors
I think it was NIH funding but I'm not sure. It's only for medicine. Like I said, don't quote me on that.