Fuck... women in STEM statistics still suck even though we're giving these bitches a free ride

Science, technology, engineering, and math are all empirical and objective. Art does not belong

I've seen religious elementary schools making it STREAM. Yeah, may as well through language and history in there to to cover everything.

I hope this catches on, because the alternative is yet more "diversity" drives to "equalise" numbers of cunts in STEM.

I'd agree with STEAM but only if it's music.

Wat is art?
r video gams art?

this is worse than common core math

the pro
the con

shit, which side do i take?

>Math
>Objective

It's only objective when science uses it as a tool of quantification, otherwise it's just a bunch of abstract constructs with no tangible meaning or consequence outside human thought. That's why the field is divided into applied and pure math.

Same thing applies to art, specifically "design" which has been objectively used in science for the control of space/ form and communication of optical and auditory sensory.

While I'm not necessarily keen on the idea of "STEAM" let's not try to pretend math is some special field devoid of subjective expression.

both of them look pretty nice if you catch my dick

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ITT: freshmen and NEETs

all the STEM subjects require a high amount of technical expertise and have direct applications to fields that are productive outside of academia.

Art is included because it also fits that criteria. Everyone here mistakenly assumes two things.

1) that "Art" means _____ Studies majors or some other nonsense with a non-existent job market.

2) that art is somehow easy.

neither are true, and if you don't believe me, try to hire a graphic designer or commission some fetish porn.

Art is easy.

>SCIENCE
the basis of everything
>TECHNOLOGY
EVERYTHING is technology
>ENGINEERING
Engineering is what creates technological advancements
>MATH
what we also use to create technology that improves our everyday life
>ART(?)
wow that picture look cool
whoa that music piece was a good hear
that drawing look cool

then go make money at it. thats the difference between being an amatuer and a professional.

This took me approximately 15 seconds to make, you cannot tell me that this is not art, you also cannot objectively tell me that this is bad. Art is easy.

I wouldn't even be mad if art was taken as a respected and serious subject in education rather than pic related. Art is actually a fairly technical subject and can be applied in a lot of ways to the other subjects except maybe maths.

A good start, now try make something like this senpai

are you dense?

those things are not grouped together for whatever reasons you are thinking of.

the idea of STEM came from the fact that those fields had direct industrial and commercial applications and required a high degree of technical skill, hence why art is included. you don't know shit about the profession, because if you did you'd know that the talent pool is ankle deep. thats where STEAM comes in.

but they don't have to art is subjective therefore they can do whatever they want i.e. a penis

your right. but i'm not going to pay you for it. i can engineer a steel beam to support your mom, but nobody is going to pay me for that either even though it is technically engineering.

>high degree of technical skill
yeah like this shmuck who got a couple zer0s for dis

ya boi

You can't compare art and STEM studies. Two different ballparks. I don't think of art as something for only dumb whore women but I do value mathematics more than music.

So is 2+2, try getting paid to solve that famalam

Yes good goy, argue among yourselves about how the limited funds should be distributed.

you may not pay me for it but equally retarded art has sold for millions

good marketing and hype can sell anything.

I don't think I'd make a lot of money by smearing shit on my face. Doesn't mean it's hard.

Funding is already being wasted getting more cunts into math, at least by including cunt subjects in STEM will mean they'll /just/ be wasting money on cunts, not wasting money AND ruing science by pushing low-iq cunts into every lab.

>good marketing
>ere is painting
>bid
>profit

>talent pool is ankle deep

what did he mean by this?

Who cares?

if you aren't making money, then you aren't a professional artist. i am specifically talking about art as a profession. i hope i don't have to spoon feed you any further on the idiosyncrasies of college educated white collar professionals.

no go make money, or is it too hard?

What do you mean by hard? If you sell your soul and produce crap that plebs will buy you'll make your money alright.

>i hope i don't have to spoon feed you any further

eugh

Math is different from most sciences in that it isn't empirical but unlike the arts you can actually be right or wrong about things.

From what I know, the "Arts" part is for a more design, artistic-oriented study and application of STEM, not art as a field.

Is everyone here in high school? Arts does not mean painting, or music, or anything 'artistic'. When in academia, Arts refers to the humanities (e.g. history, philosophy, literature, etc) and the scoial sciences (e.g. sociology, linguistics, psychology, etc.).

I can see it already happening in

If art is so easy then why are you so shit at drawing?

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