Remember when this used to be a Catholic Marxist board. What the fuck happened? I mean, people complain about the fact this board had become /pol9k/ 2.0, but nothing's being done to restore Veeky Forums to its glory days.
The answer is clear. We have to find a new official board ideology, one that requires people to be patrician and well-read to defend, like the good old days.
Obviously, the board's religion should be Gnosticism. But in terms of politics, I'm open to suggestions: maybe, we could stick with left wing to kick /pol/ out and become anarchists; or we could experiment with feudalism.
/pol/fags need not apply
Jace Ward
>i dont like thing
Asher James
>nobody like thing
Christopher Nguyen
If you're on Veeky Forums and you have an ideology beyond 'i like anime' you're a disgusting newfag who needs to leave tbqh
Easton Rodriguez
for me it's christian anarchism, the ultimate form of political thought
Caleb Baker
I thought like this until I read Tolstoy
Parker Foster
I could get behind this
Veeky Forums officially Tolstoyan? Pretty patrish
Jayden Rogers
We've already got dominant ideologies.
It's Stirner and , which is interesting. In truth they are reconcilable.
Connor Stewart
I vote for Aristotelian virtues and teleologies
Levi Gutierrez
Since when has christian anarchism been popular on Veeky Forums? I've literally never seen a thread about it.
plus Stirner's more of a meme response, the idea of Veeky Forums's ideology has always been to be a more substantial meme project, with people investing huge amounts of time and effort into defending systems even if they don't actually believe in them just because why not, just like we did with catholicism and marxism
Tyler Gray
You haven't been looking well.
Stirner's the meme. Embrace it. It is a virtuous ideology.
Evan Clark
the only /pol/ posts I've seen was that obnoxious ironic shitposter who would pull out all the /pol/ terms he could
/pol/ doesn't read anyway so I really don't see how this board's been overrun
as for ideology i nominate anarcho fascism
Bentley Fisher
Where to start with christian anarchism
Reading list?
Flowchart?
John Barnes
Egoistic nationalism. With an emphasis on personal faith.
Aiden Fisher
>anarcho-fascism This is the most beautifully contrarian thing I've ever heard. If someone can explain how this would actually work, I'd be up as fuck for this
Xavier Adams
I'll take a crack at it. The strength of nationalistic belief promotes total voluntary unity of a nation's people behind a strong leader and strict organisation in times of war. In times of peace they resign to normal anarchy. nation ≠ state.
Andrew Nguyen
Anarchism based on violence. Every man his own rifle. A people's shared heritage binds them, and allows them to live together peacefully. Martial honour allows them to preserve their individual yet inextricably collective rights. Might makes right, of course. It is only by throwing the people into fire that we can forge them into freedom. Pleb.
Liam Sanchez
This is kinda reliant on having only one political state of affairs existing at the one time. It'd be more interesting to have them coexisting though, but maybe that's impossible. Anarcho-nationalism's probably more achievable.
Logan Parker
>a people's shared heritage binds them, and allows them to live together peacefully (X) doubt
Jayden Hernandez
Call me a pleb will you!? Just you wait until I start making anarchyball memes of this!
Jaxon Cruz
Let's go full Catholic pls.
Gnosticism is the worst of all religions. It's literally Satan's religion
>hurr durr the creator of the world is evil, we must rebel against him and assert our own divinity
/x/ is the Gnostic board. The appalling thing about Gnostics is that there system has an awful consistency to it. If I tell a Gnostic that they're being mislead by the devil, they just tell me I'm one of the demiurge's archons sent to keep them tied to this world and is Creator.
Kayden Carter
Somalia but with cool uniforms.
Aiden Hall
But we've dooooone Catholicism
We can't go back
Cooper Murphy
I like the overarching concept of Gnosticism, but the specifics that have been formed over the years are junior-high, sci-fi levels of dumb.
Nathan Ortiz
Veeky Forums is an aristotelean board
Isaac Butler
>Veeky Forums an "aristotlean board >not a platonic eutopia
Brayden Stewart
You can't wear an ideology like a new jacket you bought from H&M.
Ethan Thompson
The only viable ideology for our age is some sort of deep ecology anti-civilisation ecofascism.
Logan Hill
yes you can faggot you just do it ironically until you take it seriously
this is Veeky Forums man
Logan Cooper
Sado-anarchism
Owen Wood
Okay! Stoicism it is!
John Taylor
Is that a variation of the Veeky Forums McChicken meme I'm looking at?
Evan Ward
Communistic Catholic Jacobins
Ayden Smith
Deleuzo-Guattarianism
Lincoln Jenkins
Hear ye, hear ye! We now convene on the matter of this boards consistency and general adhesion to a common religious and/or political ideology, for which all may freely meme, stereotype, and otherwise generalize on their own accord. During proceedings, we will nominate and dispute our respective inputs on the matter, as well as decide on an informal ideology of which we dub "lit." Whoever wins gets a golden star and a free train ride to Austria.
Aaron Perry
Next cunt to get dubs gets to decide
Leo Jenkins
Rolling for christian anarchism
Thomas Walker
And we got a winner
Jason Jenkins
*reads bible angrily while listening to johnny hobo and the freight trains*
Jonathan Jenkins
>We have to find a new official board ideology, one that requires people to be patrician and well-read to defend, like the good old days. Militant aestheticism
David Bennett
gnosticism is a meme plotinian neoplatonism is the way to go
Bentley Wilson
indeed we do
Kayden Lewis
Militant christian anarchist aestheticism
Who's up for it lads?
Henry Reed
You can't just choose an ideology, what's wrong with this board.
Owen Smith
Its but a meme dippo
Jason Morales
Pagan environmentalism.
Let's make saving the planet cool.
James Evans
>Militant christian anarchist aestheticism cool, but only if catholic.
Logan Cook
And Tolstoy, peace be upon him, shall be our prophet.
But I'm not giving up fucking.
Xavier Johnson
Already, we have a split within our ranks!
Jace Collins
Absolutely yes.
Jason Clark
guys
I have the perfect ideology:
It's called "My diary," desu
Jackson Davis
This desu
Landon Jones
Yea, verily
Carson Brown
If not Zizekian post-Marxist trolls then what's the point?
So long as /pol/ is ascendant we could at least be the well-read, edgy anti-/pol/.
Kayden Baker
Is this shopped?
Tyler Bennett
This board has, is, and always will be ideologically aligned with discordianism. Even subsequent refutations to my comment, previous refutations, my own refutation (im wrong) and my own projection of this comment validate this.
Liam Lee
I saw De Maîstre for a second in there. I was disappointed.
Justin Sanchez
We are Post Sincere Zizekian Marxism
It has always been so
Samuel Gutierrez
no but (responding to myself) I think to understand this board you really need to read Mcluhans medium is the message.
Adrian Sanders
Is this actually true? I've wondered if some things which seem to be supported on Veeky Forums (philosophers, books etc) are only done so through ironic context but never thought it'd be true. How can I ever know if anyone on this board is genuine or not? The whole thing is extremely childish if its true
Camden Bailey
shit i just wiki'd this, exactly what i've been feeling lately. except not necessarily christian.
No Zizek competes in photo contests for East European magazines.
Gavin Brooks
Gnosticism removes guilt from the equation of redemption, and offers an answer as to why evil exists. It is a seductive religion for these reasons. The early erasure of Gnostic sects (e.g. Valentinians) reflects badly on the then emerging institutional Christianity.
As I see it, the essential Gnostic principles, of redemption through knowledge, cultivating the soul for the next life, being aware of the transience of material things, and the more communal rather than clerical emphasis, offers us a universal Christian religion that coheres with modern values while still holding onto the essential sacraments and traditions (of marriage, baptism, anointing.)
This all predated Roman Catholism, which is a political and pagan construct.
Of course, I am willing to hear others out.
Alexander Gomez
Plotinian Neoplatonism offers everything you offered except without metaphysical retardation, a lack of any reason to be good in this life, and the Christian meme rituals that you don't need.
Nolan Sanchez
My understanding of the Greeks is limited to Plato and Socrates. From my reading I see an overlap in their values and of Gnostic Christianity, particularly in the emphasis of seeking knowledge and preparing the soul for death.
Doing good and selfless is deeds is part of looking after the soul, which is reason enough.
Jeremiah Evans
Why isn't being apolitical an option?
Colton Kelly
The main criticism neoplatonists have of Gnosticism is their idea that the demiurge is evil and that the material world is a prison.
To Plotinus, it is not the material world that is evil, but merely our concern for it.
To Plotinus, the true place of inner wisdom in which our soul truly belongs is always within us, to be found through contemplation and wisdom. To Plotinus, there is no place like home for the soul.
His last words were "I am striving to return what is divine in me to the divine in all." The material world is a good place and one part of creation, and it as well as our inner selves are a reflection of this good, to understand all of this as well as one can, to prepare oneself to receive wisdom and reflect the good, that is the task of the Neoplatonist.
" “Withdraw into yourself and look. And if you do not find yourself beautiful yet, act as does the creator of a statue that is to be made beautiful: he cuts away here, he smoothes there, he makes this line lighter, this other purer, until a lovely face has grown upon his work. So do you also: cut away all that is excessive, straighten all that is crooked, bring light to all that is overcast, labour to make all one glow of beauty and never cease chiselling your statue, until there shall shine out on you from it the godlike splendour of virtue, until you shall see the perfect goodness surely established in the stainless shrine.”
The gnostic worldview, of an evil material world overseen by a mad god, is less metaphysically sound and also does not bring about a very healthy mindset.
Levi Ross
i don't understand why the literature board can't be traditionalists. Reading is an anti-modern act and we spend our time revering the great works of the past.
Hunter Fisher
>Start here >Kant, Hegel, and Hölderlin lol
If ordered better this could be a cool reading list though. Lots of good stuff.
Epicurean apoliticism will always be the truly Veeky Forums choice.
Gavin Adams
because all art makes statements explicitly or otherwise
Owen Perry
Yes. *All* art makes some kind of statement. If we have some sort of ideological guiding philosophy then how are we to be able to discuss *all* art (or in this case literature)?
Eli Hill
I had a sense of Plotinus' ideas - of course, the physical world can be beautiful, and not everything in it should be shunned. For me it's a question of balance and moderation, rather than being an acetic.
His last words, as you relate them, speak of the return of a part of us (the soul, the divine spark, consciousness, the god/holy within us) to a commune with others.
It relates to an idea I have been thinking about, that the skull acts like a prison which isolates our souls and consciousness from others.
In any case, I'm convinced Plotinus is worth looking at. Hegel is another matter.
Carson Morgan
Achilles Cult
Nicholas Hall
This desu
Caleb Gonzalez
This thread is a good reminder that all the anons who sperg out about /pol/ leakage are entirely without an ideological core and merely want a fashionable but non-threatening ideology with just the right amount of edginess to distinguish themselves from John Oliver viewers.
The hostility towards any opposition to multiculturalism has little to do with morality and anti-racism so much as bourgeois status anxiety and feral animal hatred for the working class and any set of beliefs that aligns with their concerns. This is why any leftist who claims to be anything other than a center-left neoliberal is LARPing, and also why all right-wing fear mongering about Marxism is anachronistic. You can't hold that the proletarian is the revolutionary class that will overturn capitalism and simultaneously think proles are icky and evil for not wanting to be strangers in their own land or see their wives and daughters raped and murdered. There is literally no way for you to achieve socialism without the support of the working class, and you don't have any interest in trying to win back their support, and they don't have any interest in supporting people who are going to bring about the conditions for their demise, so what you're left with is a situation where the only conceivable way for you to effect political change is to vote for the cuddlier, fluffier neoliberal candidate and hope they deliver on a fraction of their lackluster promises. Good luck destroying capitalism by voting for capitalists.
Ethan Garcia
Veeky Forums is an American imageboard, therefore our ideology has already been decided by popular vote. Love it or leave it, libcucks.
Parker Young
lol u nevre read books
Asher Lewis
The words of Homer are 100% truth.
Matthew Bailey
>our ideology has already been decided by popular vote. >popular vote
Josiah Davis
no we really just need to somehow get rid of the bottom half of our posters and read more
Liam Diaz
You commit the Platonic fallacy by thinking there is an ideal form that is metaphysically "real", and the Platonic and Sophistic fallacy of believing there is a real world you can know outside of the narrative, or representation, you recursively have made your entire life.
Then you go on to think only that narrative that you and your friends corroborate is not only the only one that matters and that is useful to be believed, but the only one that can be held.
The "proles" you so richly deride can have their own narrative about their lives that works comfortably along side your complex, elitist, and to them worthless narrative without conflict, as long as your narrative is useful to be believed as well.
Everyone makes up their own story about the world and sees the world differently. The only reason we can corroborate anything is that we are in, of, and inseparable from the same world that determines if our separate stories are useful to be believed.
Workers are fully capable of living under a socialist narrative, or any narrative for that matter, as long as it is useful to be believed and fulfills their desires.
The problem is that the guy who swings the hammer "knows" hammers through his story of using one, but his manager only has a story made up by elves, and has his head too far up his ass to know that elves don't exist, and hammers don't work that way.
Life should work like hammers, not stories from elves, but if you are a worker and all you have are stories of hammers, it is hard to talk to the elf fuckers in a way they can hear you.
Maybe when socialism works like hammers then everyone will be able to hear, but it will never get there until you swing a hammer or two.
Noah Cook
also obviously we just need to be crypto reactionary like ziz or baudrillard
Oliver Young
This is the face of /pol/
Aaron Watson
homosexuality worked for george bush
Luis Diaz
Thanks for bringing this political ideology to my attention. I thought Fascism was the closest ideology that entails a Christian State as long as said state is pushing the Christian ideology (any branch of Christianity) but I suppose I was wrong.
Lucas Fisher
Well, some of the books/people Veeky Forums recommend are in fact only recommended ironically just for laughs but for the most part we're all serious. Some memes include : Gass, Pynchon, Stirner, Bukowski, Camus, Sartre, and starting with the Greeks.
Carter Wood
This. Can anyone answer this?
Jaxson Myers
Veeky Forums has always been Dialectical Materialist Jewish Gnostics, with a dash of Cosmic Pessimism in the mold of the great master.
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Yes, No, Yes, Yes, No, Yes and a conditional Yes if they're urged to go beyond Homer.
Jose Garcia
>Bukowski
Sebastian Taylor
t. Protestant You lads never give up do you?
Ayden Morgan
He didn't win the popular vote though...
Robert Russell
I was at a local bookshop and noticed that CoL49 was there so I decided to read the first few pages and I couldn't get past the first two before I realized that Pynchon was a more sophisticated Burroughs
Hudson Nguyen
>implying Bukowski isn't one of the best writers of the 20th century
Logan Morales
Pessimism is the natural mindset of all well-read individuals. Read more Kafka.
I don't think you get that Pynchon is a strong reading of Burroughs.
Nolan Gomez
I disagree. Pessimism is never found in the mind of a well-read man of God.
Blake Cooper
>well-read >religious
Maybe if you're well read in Veeky Forums posts.
Xavier Brown
> well-read > atheist The same can be said for you.
Liam Allen
The Wikipedia article on Christian Anarchism states that Tolstoy's 'The Kingdom of God is Within You' is a good place to start. Other that I have no clue what else ought to be read.