Try convincing me to become a Marxist

Try convincing me to become a Marxist.

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The only legitimate reason is for fun.

The dank memes on /leftypol/ have layer upon layer of depth. The deepest layers are only accessible to those with a sophisticated understanding of Marxism and its later iterations, which you can only get with either a ludicrous amount of scholarly discipline or a passion for Marxist philosophy. And really, if you're on Veeky Forums, you're probably about as far from disciplined as you can get.

I'm not even a communist and even I recognize that /leftypol/ is the best board. It just is.

youll be able to understand zizeks jokes on hegel and toilets.

You will be able to die for the revolution, leaving behind a qt guerilla fighter waifu.
Besides why not.

you can't because carl marks killed 10 million jews in 9/11

You'll really show /pol/ up! Drumpfkins will be BTFO

Being right wing is no fun anymore now that we have a Republican government.

>mfw I secretly inject marxism into /pol/'s veins
>mfw /pol/ feels more and more sympathy towards leftist ideals
>mfw they can't even understand the psyop happening right on /pol/ because they're too blinded by the elections
Soon comrades.

Yeah this is the thing. /pol/ used to be anti-establishment, but now they're literally the establishment. It's boring as fuck. Time to jump ship.

Read das Kapital plus a few essays on the ltv and convince yourself you lazy fuck.

Maybe ask /leftypol/ instead of a mainly right wing board

We're aware of what you're trying to do commie faggots. After the party is over, you'll get grabbed by the pussy and dumped like the rest of your kind.

>Veeky Forums
>mainly right wing
ask me how i know you're a newfag

> tfw no delusional /pol/ gf that you can educate on superior marxist theory while you snuggle with her on a cold winter's night.

why even live

marxist.com/why-you-should-be-a-socialist.htm

If you're culturally or socially conservative, you could read Christopher Lasch for a view through a Marxist lens why capitalism is poisonous for traditional social institutions and relations.

Because capitalism is fucking cuck-tier

>implying there's a bottom

Because the alternative is to be a wageslave

If you're browsing Veeky Forums, you might just be stupid enough to be one.

You shouldn't, because it's an incorrect theory.

Regarding the ltv you might as well admit that you haven't read Nils Fröhlich.

I haven't, but I've read Sraffa and other neo-ricardians, aswell as actual marxists like I. I. Rubin and others who developed the theory within marxist theorizing. Nothing can save the LTV, which isn't even between the biggest troubles with marxism.

The only way to redeem Marx is to accept that it was butchered by Lenin and the rest.

Consider the peasant who lay awake at night listening to the neighbor's wife wailing after finally losing her malnourished toddler. It must have really made him think. People like this were uneducated and misinformed and couldn't see or stop what was happening among the upper echelons of the "revolution", but whose fault is that? Their only crime is being flawed humans like everyone else, there are many highly educated people with the internet at their fingertips who end up with ridiculous beliefs, what chance did they have?

Marxism is at its heart about fighting back against those trying to impose their will on you, even the edgy little shits of Veeky Forums call people "cucks" when people do not. Some of his more bizarre ideas were only the result of him trying to analyze the problem from every angle, in part because this is what a scientist or engineer would do and in part because of the urgency of his task. Sir Bazalgette's sewage system saved 10000s of lives from cholera, Marx was trying to liberate billions from a life of poverty and decrepidation.

I would say Marxism is incomplete rather than inherently flawed. Things like property and family social structures are ultimately beliefs, even libertarians realize this. The labor theory of value and the crisis of capitalism apply to a degree. Marx fully expected his work to be amended and improved. You'd have to have massively excessive standards to reject all this, if you set your biases and ego aside you've have to admit you are already a little bit marxist.

I like this post. It's a good post.

If I were to quibble on one thing, it's that Lenin's writings and understanding of Marxism still hold up reasonably well (in particular I was impressed with Imperialism, The Highest Stage of Capitalism), it's just that the practical realities of running Russia became too much for him after 1919 or so

How cute

Just read the "The relevance of the labour theory of value" published in 2009. He directly compares it to the neo-ricardian trade theory on a theoretical and empirical level. It's a decent chunk of math since in the second half of his work he starts using mathematical models but if you're genuinely interested you should get through it. The only real problem is that you'd have to find a translation since he wrote it in German.

I was just reading a paper of his using empirical data and econometric models, but that's not the point, the theory is already wrong in its premises and epistemological basis. Its only relevance is for the marxian implicit moral theory, not price formation.

> the theory is already wrong in its premises and epistemological basis. Its only relevance is for the marxian implicit moral theory, not price formation.

He directly deals with price formation in his work. Furthermore he also addresses the common concerns held against the ltv, he covers the most important points raised in academic discourse over the last few years.

The great powers would have been rivals whatever economic system they used. I don't know what Marx would have made of ww1, but it is stretching it to attribute the breakdown in the balance of power to capitalism.

child mortality is a thing in poor countries

Unlike many other ideological positions, dialectical materialism actually provides a consistent lens for analysis that can be applied to most all events and movements

This is the only real answer.

it's probably the most painfully stupid way to process information, so masochism

FYI Marxism is not exactly the same thing as Communism in modern usage. Communism is a type of government and political ideology. Marxism is a critical theory or method of analysis that can be applied to a any cultural artifact (book, film, etc.) or culture and society in general. Think of Marxism as more akin to Feminism, for example, but providing a critical analysis with respect to class rather than gender. It's actually really interesting and fun, although it will make you more cynical and disillusioned than you ever thought possible.

Good posts.

>you've have to admit you are already a little bit marxist

Heh, cute.

>/pol/ has went from unironic Nazis to Right Libertarians to Protectionist Populism

Face it, Trump is just another step in the dialectic that leads to only one destination

Nigga why the fuck are you telling them this is what we've been doing?

>Marxism is at its heart about fighting back against those trying to impose their will on you, even the edgy little shits of Veeky Forums call people "cucks" when people do not
this so much.
i know one guy who supports trump and shitposts on Veeky Forums.
in reality he's a little bitch who will never stand up for himself irl and i'm pretty sure much like him the prototypical edgy Veeky Forums cuckposter is really just a loser who never stood up for themself so they just cling on to whatever popular sentiment that empowers them.

>The dank memes on /leftypol/ have layer upon layer of depth.

So nothing like Marxism then.

t. cuck

That image makes no sense

/leftypol/ is shite. it's full of liberals who never read a page of marxist theory

who /marx/ here?

This post annoys me.

Just because you aren't retarded and manage to accurately pinpoint problems with current societal power structures and of the economy in general does not make you a genius, and neither does it prove anything.

The problem with Marxism isn't that it *can* accurately point out shit that is true and negative in society, the problem is that it's a utopian ideology that grip people in a dangerous mania; a mania that historically speaking have left people dying in famines and authoritarian rule.

lenin did nothing wrong

revisionists out

>saves pepe images
>calls people cuck
nice projection.

It's almost as if Lenin and other early Orthodox Marxists didn't have access to his more philosophical work since it was published in 1927 :^)

>Cultural Marxism
>Literally gibs me dat

Avoid it if you can, it's a sinkhole with no way back. There's a reason why most communists you come across are weak, skinny or incredibly fat, and probably smoking a blunt.

Weaklings will try to use psychology to change the entire world into spoon feeding them for free, since they are incapable of surviving otherwise.

>it's a utopian ideology
Confirmed for never actually reading Marx.
gb2 and then kys

That's why Marxists are so insufferable though, they want to see EVERYTHING through the lens of Marxism. It's like that nerd who never shuts up about his favorite show.

You realize your conspiracy theory doesn't have anything to do the actual theory right
You should read some to understand that social conditions are a function or material conditions rather than say, a cabal of Jewish Marxist supervillains controlling the whole world

What conspiracy? I never said anything of the kind.

Weak men that cannot thrive will seek to out do the competition by other methods, that sometimes comes in the form of voting for an ideology that pretty much gives you free stuff.

>Cultural Maxism
>Not a conspiracy theory
WEW
Also:
>Marxism is about giving you free stuff
The least you could bother to do is read the manifesto, you can find it online and read it in about an hour. At the very least for the historical significance, but it might stop you from making an ass of yourself

>muh hard work
hahahhahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahhaaha

>Said the Neet

t. classcuck

No. Reading is for eggheads.

Do you have a link by any chance?

okay so basically like Hitler

>says the billions of impoverished workers around the globe.

To assume that 'poor people' are poor because they don't work hard enough is completely idiotic. Social mobility for the lowest socioeconomic classes in the US is pretty low compared to the other 'nanny-state' industrialized countries. It must be easy being so dense when you've been spoonfed neoliberal ideology since birth.

>I worked hard, Daddy only made me a small loan of $1M

Why bring Hitler into this?

>To assume that 'poor people' are poor because they don't work hard enough is completely idiotic.


Point me to where I said this, please. It's like you're arguing with an imaginary friend.

Communism is more popular among spoiled first-world children than people in communist countries.

No, sorry. I bought the German version off of Amazon.

>read the Communist Manifesto
>post here what I thought of it and why I disagree with it
>"m-muh you didn't understand it"
>"b-but marxism is only for intelligent people"

Marxism is the most retarded ideology. You keep fooling yourself over and over again

>There's a reason why most communists you come across are weak, skinny or incredibly fat
dat strawman tho

russia-insider.com/en/politics/most-russians-would-return-soviet-economic-system-poll/ri12952

>There's a reason why most communists you come across are weak, skinny or incredibly fat, and probably smoking a blunt.
t. Amerifat

>Source : My ass

>glances at /pol/ memes about the least important of all communist texts, the Manifesto
>shitpost on Veeky Forums about identity politics that pretends to be thought and criticism
>cry about being persecuted on the 7kun
>"everyone is stupid but me!"

Go ask your mom for tendies you filthy neet

t. spoiled first-world child's desperate belief

He's right, you know.

>The only people who don't like Marxism/Communism don't study it

Every time.

>following the herd this bad
why do you have to work out? do you have a small penis? are you a closet homo looking for other homos at your gym?
you're just another boring fuck who has no discernible talent or passion so you subscribe to the framework of what everyone else is doing.
and why do you sound so stressed? all hardcore internet capitalists always sound like you're thoroughly unhappy and stressed which isn't any surprise because you're mindlessly following the routine subscribed to you by somebody else. it's like you want somebody to literally fuck you in the butt to destress all the aspects of your life that you hand over to someone elses control, you're the ubercuck.

You're right, he should be a Marxist/Communist.

The proletariat has nothing to lose but everything.

>the only people that come to Veeky Forums complaing about muh margzizm are 100% illiterate and unable to follow their own posts

Every time.

>he
Shut up samefag

>the only people that come to Veeky Forums complaing about muh margzizm are 100% illiterate and unable to follow their own posts

I know a lot about Marxism, and I still don't buy into it.

You won't believe that, however. Fuckin' cultists.

someone like him will only convert when it becomes as popular as trump.

I guarantee you're wearing at least one thing that was made by East Asian slave labour

Don't bother. It's vacuous. Studying marxism only turned me into a fascist.

And why should I feel guilty about that?

Nigga what?

> loser who never stood up for themself so they just cling on to whatever popular sentiment that empowers them
Nothing wrong with that. I can see why you wouldn't like it if they are empowering themselves by taking on values you disagree with.

Not him but you're wrong. Veeky Forums use to be Marxist but over time it's become more conservative & I dare say that at least 50% of Veeky Forumsizens are Catholic. Maybe 5 years ago it was Left Wing but that's changed a lot, and thank God for that.

Not really. A lot of Veeky Forumsfags are still marxist simply because the whole Philosophy is easier to romanticize. Also you should visit leftypol, Christian commies are on the rise and they're cute as fuck.

Fact : Marxism is a Jewish geoup evolutionary strategy. Jews want to distract whites from the harsh realities of Darwinian struggle. It's cause they know them better than anyone. They want to feminize white man and plant mud babies in every white woman's womb. They want whites gone. This is war.

I remember when I use to be 16 years old.

There was an invasion of Christian Marxists last year.

I don't recall Marx writing anything about mud babies and feminizing white guys.

>you've have to admit you are already a little bit marxist.
Heh. *teleports behind you*
Nothing personal, last man.

fuck you marty you're barely even a Marxist.

To actually believe in communism, you must have a mental defect or be REALLY naive. The people who hold political power would become equivalent to the bourgeoisie/upper class. There is NO way around this. Instead of the wealthy having the most influence (like in Capitalism) it is the people in political positions because they control the wealth. They essentially amount to the same thing, except in communism, it becomes a lot worse. Communism never takes into account the reality of the human psyche, something that Dostoevsky noted in Notes from the Underground.

On a semi-related note, this is why when you ask every person who advocates for communism what position would they hold in a communist society, they always reply with "oh I don't know, I think I would like a management/government position". None of them every reply with "I'd like to be the farmer/factory worker who slaves away with even less incentive than that in a capitalist society".

Not a single communist ever answered why communism never worked.

I'm an engineer as a career but I live on a farm because I like growing my own food. I also donate fresh food to the local uni so the students don't turn into malnourished blobs/husks. I participate in a food co-op and take an active role in local council meetings. My life would change very little in a socialist society.

>To actually believe in communism, you must have a mental defect or be REALLY naive. The people who hold political power would become equivalent to the bourgeoisie/upper class. There is NO way around this.
>when you ask every person who advocates for communism what position would they hold in a communist society, they always reply with "oh I don't know, I think I would like a management/government position"
There is no government in a communist society by definition.

>he thinks fedora.jpg helps his case

...

>marxists that live in a capitalist society can't magically live outside the system
woah, really makes you think

Wow what a post. You accept donations? I need to send you some money; you're very talented. We have a Kik group developing core theories that reverberate on the whole insec, involuntary secluded, Internet sphere; every complex and profound new idea you see here was developed there, and I think you can be a good addition to it if you're high iq enough to blend in.

Post your Kik if you have one. Don't leak.

In communism the workers are the ones who manage the factories, they self-manage as a collective. There isn't a line between management and production, this is the whole point of communism.

I'm not a communist, but some kind of communism is incoming as human labor is rapidly outpaced by machine labor.