Jordan Petersons suggested reading list

Jordan Peterson is a Canadian professor who has recieved a lot of media attention reciently.

What is Veeky Forumss opinion on his suggested reading list and if i was to read them where should I start?


Dostoevsky

Crime and Punishment
The Brothers Karamazov
Notes from Underground
The Devils
The Idiot

Tolstoy

Confessions
The Kingdom of God is Within You

Bulgakov

The Master and Margarita

Solzhenitsyn

One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovitch
The Gulag Archipelago

The First Circle

Cancer Ward

Other books of critical importance:

Carl Jung

The Archetypes of the Collective Unconscious
Aion

Symbols of Transformation

Answer to Job

Erich Neumann

The Origins and History of Consciousness
The Great Mother

George Orwell

1984
The Road to Wigan Pier
Animal Farm
Down and Out in Paris and London
Homage to Catalonia

Aldous Huxley

Brave New World
The Doors of Perception

Other Works

The Discovery of the Unconscious (Henri Ellenberger)
The Neuropsychology of Anxiety (Jeffrey Gray)
Affective Neuroscience (Jaak Panksepp)
The Emotional Brain (Joseph LeDoux)

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He received a lot of threads on /r9k/ and /pol/.

Glad to see this is now a Veeky Forums thread. Let's discuss his refusal to bow down to the SJWs. Truly a redpilled pioneer of rationality and logic. He won't let 'muh feels' deter him on his quest for truth.

so what's the deal with this nigger? does he have anything worth reading or do you fags just like him because he's anti-pc?

Just coming in to say I support the idea of free speech at the risk of hurting feelings.

Prepare for a shitstorm OP sorry I couldn't help with books

Peterson has a book called "maps of meaning" i have no idea if it is any good

Only commenting on what I've read:

Dostoevksy: All good recs

Bulgakov: Good

Orwell: Animal Farm and 1984 are good. You can read Animal farm in an afternoon

Huxley: Brave New World

A lot of these books are assigned or recommended for American high school students so they're not hard. Start with Crime and Punishment, then Brave New World, 1984, and Animal Farm.


If you are "Anti-PC" I don't give a shit. If you want to talk about books then do it.

bookfags btfo

This thead isn't really about books. Let's talk SJWs and our crusade against them.

I'm reading Maps of Meaning right now because of this, and I like his lectures too. It's a great fucking book. I'm afraid that he's going to lose this battle, but I hope some other university - and I graduated from U of T - which is less bewitched by purple unicorns and more into the great literature students are paying tens of thousands of dollars to study will pick him up and give him a new job, because he is exactly the kind of professor I would hope I had a chance to study with.

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Reading is for fags, get lost geek

POST MODERNISM I TELL YA! THE NEO MARXISTS ARE BRAINWASHING US WITH POST MODERNISM SO THEY CAN MAKE US INTO THE USSR! THE SJWS ARE TRYING TO INSTALL NIHILISM IN THE SCHOOLS TO MAKE US LOSE HOPE! LOL HAVE YOU EVER READ THE GULAG ARCHIPELAGO?

What is maps of meaning about?

Get off my board you fucking normie.

maps of meaning

Only one man can stop the sharia Marxist tranny dictatorship and bring down ZOG once and for all...

I don't know yet, I'm just getting started. Right now he's talking about his own life and why he does what he does. But I'll share this, which is from Orwell's Road to Wigan Pier: 'Socialists don't really like the poor, they only hate the rich.'

This has my attention. So does stuff like this, which is what I actually went to university to learn, and why I spent years afterwards feeling as though I was ripped off for not learning it, and wondering if it was my fault. It wasn't. It was just all so colossally fucked up that I couldn't see the forest for the trees.

I've listened to a bunch of his clips, though. He talks about Jung, Nietzsche, Dostoevsky, Piaget...these are all people I know and like very much. I'm looking forward to reading the rest of it, I can tell you that much.

youtube.com/watch?v=XbOeO_frzvg

Ill have to read "maps of meaning" now.

I have been reading "confessions" by tolstoy and i definitely recomend it

your board is nerd shit
we aren't leaving until it's gone

youtube.com/watch?v=7cUTXVG79lk

Just found this video which is a great summary of many of his ideas!

>Only bad review of his book 'maps of meaning' on amazon idk what to think

This book was a huge disappointment. It abounds with dense, often impenetrable, verbiage. Basic points are made repeatedly, but subtle ones occasionally appear in the middle of an argument and are never referenced again. Even worse, this text makes at least one statement that is factually wrong. This mistake is not a small oversight, either. It is one that demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of the topic being discussed at that part in the text, and throws into question the validity of other points made throughout the rest of the book.

I first encountered Maps of Meaning on TV Ontario as a lecture series with the same name. I found the lectures by Dr. Peterson fascinating, but, unfortunately, confusing in parts. There were details I wasn't able to fully grasp, and I wanted to know more. That led me to this book, in hopes of filling in the gaps and developing a better understanding of the topics that were covered.

One of the blurbs on the back cover says the book is "... exciting not just for the general reader ... ", suggesting that it should be accessible to the layman. Although I'm a layman in the area of psychology, I do have a graduate degree in computer science and took a handful of psychology and philosophy courses as an undergraduate. Dr Peterson teaches a course based on this text that only has a couple of second year psych courses as prerequisites, so I figured I should be well-prepared to study, and understand, the book's contents.

Things were slow-going from the start. There were repeated instances where the text could have said something simply, or at least with more clarity, but instead chose to obfuscate. Try this passage on for size (from page 13): "Active apprehension of the goal of behavior, conceptualized in relationship to the interpreted present, serves to constrain or provide determinate framework for the evaluation of ongoing events, which emerge as a consequence of current behavior." Now imagine 400+ pages in this style.

But I soldiered on. I took my time and tried to understand the details Dr. Peterson was presenting. In fact, there were parts of the book that I found genuinely fascinating and well-written. Unfortunately, these parts were overshadowed by a slowly growing feeling that I was having the wool pulled over my eyes.

It was when I reached the middle of the book that this feeling fully crystallized. On page 235, Dr Peterson writes: "A moral system -- a system of culture -- necessarily shares features in common with other systems. The most fundamental of the shared features of systems was identified by Kurt Godel. Godel's Incompleteness Theorem demonstrated that any internally consistent and logical system of propositions must necessarily be predicated upon assumptions that cannot be proved from within the confines of that system."

Whoa. First of all, Kurt Godel was a logician, and his work on his Incompleteness Theorem was related to axiomatic (formal mathematical) systems. Simply extrapolating results on axiomatic systems to "moral systems" or "systems of culture" as a self-evident fact has the whiff of charlatanry. Even worse, the statement of Godel's Incompleteness Theorem given above is completely wrong! I'd like to say that Dr Peterson merely provided a naive oversimplification of the theorem, but that's not even the case. What Dr. Peterson stated is a total misrepresentation of Godel's work. Godel's Incompleteness Theorem has nothing to do with proving the "assumptions" (axioms) of the system from "within the confines of the system."

Dr. Peterson hammers on this mistake a page later when he describes the five postulates of Euclidean geometry. He writes: "What constitutes truth, from within the perspective of this structure, can be established by reference to these initial postulates. However, the postulates themselves must be accepted. Their validity cannot be demonstrated, within the confines of the system."

I can't give a proper exposition of Godel's Incompleteness theorem in one or two paragraphs, so if you're interested in details I direct you to the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (available online and totally free), which has a fairly readable description of what Godel actually proved.

This is where the book broke down for me. If the text so egregiously misrepresented Godel's Incompleteness theorem, what else had it oversimplified, misrepresented, or gotten plain wrong? And how much of its dense rhetoric was simply fancy word play to hide vacuous arguments?

To quote David Hume, "If we take in our hand any volume; of divinity or school metaphysics, for instance; let us ask, Does it contain any abstract reasoning concerning quantity or number? No. Does it contain any experimental reasoning concerning matter of fact and existence? No. Commit it then to the flames: for it can contain nothing but sophistry and illusion." This is perhaps too harsh a verdict for Maps of Meaning. As I mentioned, there were parts that I found well-written and interesting. But taken as a whole, it's not worth the time investment required.

I enjoyed him as the edgy guest they'd invite on TVO to give BS pseudo evopsych theories on gender blah blah. But he went full retard with the latest debacle. All he does is cry about free speech and then blather on with cringey buzzwords like SJW, cultural marxism, etc. The whole shit at UofT is just beyond embarrassing for him.

reading good books doesn't make you smart or good--you don't become good by osmosis alone

>some guy who went to the the """"""""""""""""university"""""""""""""""" of alberta

yeah, nah, i'll pass

How? Under the bill he was against they would literally be able to kill him financially through sending him to the human rights courts in ontario, and if he refused to pay the fine he would have his assets seized and be fired. Just because he would refuse to call some mentally ill millennial by what they "identify" as. How is it cringey in any way if he's defending his livelihood? The only cringe is from the SJW's.

>some guy who posts on a """"""""""""""""mongolian"""""""""""""""" knitting imageboard posing as an intellectual

yeah, nah, ill pass

Found the sjw

This reading list is reminiscent of his videos in that it's extremely predictable