Subversiveness is creepy.
Are there any genuinely "subversive" writers, especially poets?
Only Baudelaire comes to mind, though he's sort of preening in his subversiveness.
The supposedly revolutionary poets of the 20th century play it very safe indeed. They all want to be liked, or at least sympathised with, with their incessant sob stories. Where are the poets with teeth?
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Houllebeque very consciously aims towards this tradition
pic related is pretty subversive
Antonin Artaud
Allen Ginsberg
give us your definition of subversiveness, please.
Maybe Victor Serge?
It's creepy.
that's a terrible definition
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Fight Club
everyone's subversive today, so no one's subversive
you could be shocking to a 19th century audience, in 2016 the shocking is mundane
i think its good
In 2016, the shocking is gently peddled as acceptable.
Peter Sotos
Fanny Hill was pretty subversive, it's pretty fun to read if you can put yourself in an 18th century mindset.
I can agree with this.
If the modern day Galileo came along and hypothesized a new, better model for how we observe at all that is, he would likely go through life without much recognition, aside from other "mad-men", right?
Of course, existing industry and establishment though Galileo was mad too.
Such is the pattern of human insecurity.
I like Burroughs.
Think about this the next time you see someone call Nick Land "crazy" or "a meme".
>piss everyone off
>keep being vocal
>make more enemies
>get put in a nice villa
>keep making people mad
ya galileo was a real nice guy.
Can you share some of his ideas/writings?
>realize an entire society was wrong about something
>spoke up to show people we don't run shit and never will
>dwarfed their egos with rationality
Why does that make him a bad guy?
It's funny, I've thought about the basic idea of alot of what he writes.
I'm not sure I could articulate it as effectively as he does, but I do find this interesting.