Conservatism / Paleoconservatism / Traditionalism thread

Mencius Moldbug

The more I dive into thomism and philosophy in general the more I move away from conservatism. It's essentially a form of liberalism which lacks inner coherency and proper foundations, almost entirely rhetorical and intellectually insufficient. The reason why it died is clear.

the reason philosophy died you mean? Because conservatism is the new nihilism.

It's really just Kampf and then a parade of twats going "Yeah, this".

Philosophy is alive enough. In fact, it was never easier to find strong basis for many principles conservatives wanted to champion.
Conservatism may be the new nihilism indeed, because it is only continuing the decline it was on for two centuries.

Are you european? I found Kirk to be a good introduction to the fact that southern US had culture and intellectuals at some point. Too bad the North put a lot of resources to brush that off from pop-culture.

The liberal Issiah Berlin while being against them, made a career writing about reactionary philosophers. Read his essays on De Maistre, Hamman, Vico and Herder.

chapo sucks ass dude felix is the only funny one and he's wasting his considerable talent every moment he's not making jokes about jerking off or metal gear solid

>Vico
how is he reactionary?

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Moldbug is the place to begin. After that tastes vary. I can suggest a few that shouldn't get completely shit on from all directions:

De Jouvenel, On Power
Hoppe, Democracy: The God That Failed
Land, DE
Jack Donovan, The Way of Men*

thedarkenlightenment.com/the-dark-enlightenment-by-nick-land/

Reaction is an umbrella concept that brought together a lot of counter-Marxist thought together with libertarians/Austrian school economists and a bunch of other traditional/conservative thought. There is as much infighting there as there is on the left but for now the good ship Trump is only beginning to leave the harbour. It's definitely interesting reading.

And one completely excellent blog:
reactionaryfuture.wordpress.com

Hope that helps user.

*yes, this too

The movie was directed by a gay communist

Also, and I should not have forgotten this: de Maistre. has already pointed this out, so I'll include a good clip here.

youtube.com/watch?v=bB2U9XXpHP4

Thanks for making a cool thread OP. Fascism is for plebs, reactionary aristocracy go go go.

Aren't most Catholic thinkers part of the Old Right by definition?

Is reading books inherently reactionary? We're clinging to a medium that is already on its way out, and what's more we read books that most readers can't even stand. The idea of spending hours alone in silence with only the book and your own thoughts for company is incredibly alien for people born after 1985 or so. Maybe some would point to YA as a counterexample, but pulp and trashy novels have been around for centuries, it's just now they're experiencing a bit of a renaissance after tv wiped them out starting in the 1940s.

When I read poetry I feel like I'm walking back in time, and there's a sharp feeling of loss that comes with every good stanza because the world that produced great poetry is gone. Eventually there will only be fragments left, and eventually there will not even be fragments but only a name in an index, and in time even the index will disappear.

i don't know, but this is a great fucking post

There are actually a large number of Catholic socialists and a small number of Catholic anarchists. Just see Dorothy Day, Daniel Berrigan, Gutierrez, Jacques Ellul...

If you want Old Right Catholics look up sedevacantism, catholic traditionalism, order of st pius X...

Bishop Williamson is a great example of an extreme far right catholic

I think he is operating under the assumption that Counter Enlightenment = Reactionary, which isn't really the case except in the most literal sense. De Maistre is undoubtedly a "reactionary", but Herder and Hamann are more like proto-Romantics than reactionaries (and even that isn't a label I'm comfortable with, especially for Hamann), and Vico is just a very early critic of the Enlightenment.

I agree; that's why we really don't see any literary merit in modern works, and anyone who claims to is pretending to have any idea of what he is doing.

The reader is a historian at heart.

>the reader is a historian at heart

this is literally the third time in about the last eight minutes that I have had to chime and write god damn user that's good and i don't even mean this unironically

wtf happened to Veeky Forums-as-shitpostcentral, it's straight gold bars today. wow. gents i am most impressed this day, carry on with your tasteful and patrician selves

u from toronto?

far-right = closet homosexual
far-left = cuck
white people are weird

Thanks user.

Kind of have to agree desu.

No I'm not, why?

De Maistre is a riot, even if you don't agree with him I love the way he could just tear the enlightenment a new one.