How do asians score higher on IQ tests and are in general better in science than most white people...

How do asians score higher on IQ tests and are in general better in science than most white people, yet is whites that made most of the major new discoveries and inventions. This is not a racist thread i'm just curious how is this possible?

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en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planescape:_Torment
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell's_equations
atlantablackstar.com/2014/10/01/12-african-inventions-that-changed-the-world/
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Various reasons

1) IQ does not measure intelligence. It measures a specific skill that can be loosely described as "puzzle solving".
2) Asian households are much more estrict and overall better so more asian kids than white kids have good hobbies like doing math or doing puzzles. I remember in high school every asian kid had like 10 types of rubicks cube and they had like a cousin that was their rubicks cube dealer and they would even sell them at school to other kids. It was amazing.
3) Thus, asian kids score higher on the IQ test. Not by being smarter, but by literally unknowingly training for it.

And then when you look at adult scientists you see that China produces as many scientists are developed white countries per capita.

The moral of this story is: autistic kids jerking off to their barely 3 digit IQ score do not count as scientists.

it's almost as if pattern recognition have nothing to do with the creativity required by high-level mathematics and physics

you fucking brainlet, I laugh at your inferior intellect

think harder about it you putrid, dumb fuck

there are also cultural factors, ambition, economical factors (research budget), military / geopolitical factors (are there any wars happening in the region in which people are currently doing research?), etc

thanks for existing, brainlet, your inferior intellect makes competition between me and you easy, i will suck your life away and destroy your life and steal your money, i will be your dictator

enlightenment and industrial revolution happened in western Europe, this gave whites a huge head start

But why in Europe and not in the higher IQ Asian countries?

Asian culture values performance. European culture values creativity.

>test that ranges in the span of minutes to hours
>capable of accurately measuring the applicaple intelligence of individuals who will spend years and decades on discoveries and inventions
>especially when they're utilizing foundations of knowledge that have been built up for hundreds to thousands of years.

When will the IQ meme finally die?

Discovering things and having a big IQ aren't necessarily correlated.
Lots of things have been discovered by accidents, trial and error, or simply improved upon older discoveries.

It's because of this...

Asians have more logic than creativity or athleticism,

Blacks have more athleticism than logic or creativity(stupid fake poetry music doesnt count),

and Whites have a mix of all these things.

Exceptions can occur in these of course but this is generally how it goes.

i guess i din't express myself correctly i mean IQ like in capability of doing mathematics, physics and other sciences. Asians are obviously superior to whites in that field.

There doesn't need to be a definite answer to this. Why did the region where fire was firstly controlled be the first ones to control fire? No definite answer, and also pretty irrelevant. The discoveries of europe are spreading and soon Eastasia will again be the center of civilization.

So.. What race is the most creative one, albeit not very strong in athleticism and logic?

Aboriginees.

I talked about this with a former manager of mine once (he's Chinese). His take, as I remember it, was that the Chinese education system stresses hard work and rote memorization over the creative problem solving that usually leads to mathematical/scientific breakthroughs. This is probably why he also asked me about math competitions in the US and seemed interested in getting his daughter involved in them.

Granted, the education system in the US (can't speak for other countries) also places a lot of emphasis on rote memorization in math courses. Perhaps educators in the west do a better job of recognizing and encouraging the occasional curious student.

The discoveries of europe are already "spread", Eastasia never was the center of civilization and even if it ever was, probably didn't last long and it apperes to have been pretty forgettable. East asians high iq scores are mainly due to there bias, and impressive spatial intelligence, scoring lower on verbal which is highly important for one to "understand". And obviously less creative.

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Ashkenazi Jews have much higher IQs than either Asians or whites, but are often included as white. They themselves sometimes identify as white, sometimes as Jewish, whichever suits them at any specific time. That's where the pol meme "fellow white people" came from - cos Jews are literally the only people who ever say that.

Also Europeans and Americans tend to be more free spirited and flexible mentally than Asians. The Asian approach to education is heavily conformist and based on rote learning. Asians all want to be part of a greater whole, while Europeans usually have more individual identity.

They can do it at home. We are talking about ubermen not average kids.

Because IQ is a garbage metric
Because whites are perpetually unhappy and discontent with everything.
Asians only needed to invent paper because that's the last really useful thing needed. Everything else they don't have to worry about inventing because whites are going to invent it anyway and it's easier and cheaper to just copy it than make it yourself.
>whites spend millions on R&D and manufacturing
>Chinese only spend on manufacturing
Literally a race of geniuses

Exactly, a head start (no pun). There is also infrastructure like community and ability to meet colleagues and communicate in a common language (Greek and Latin, later English) in most of Europe.

Most Asian countries were colonies and close to starvation. Life expectancy was pretty rotten too so it didn't help if you were bright when you died before you were 30.

Artists were respected in Asia and they are by definition creative.

>Asians can't be creati-

LOL this is so garbage. First of all it wasn't "the whites" that invented the modern world, it was the brits. And the brits did it because they copied the "open society" model from the dutch, and then whole europe did what east asia is doing right now, and that is copying the brits. Like the germans (who btw have a similar reputation of being logical and disciplined, but not creative and passionate) the chinese will soon start to produce excellent scientists en masse, be sure about that.

Look another brainlet with brain damage. 'Less'

Very original.

>whites are the most creative ra-

I thought it was aborigenes

>Eastasia never was the center of civilization and even if it ever was, probably didn't last long and it apperes to have been pretty forgettable.
that is just "besides the wench is dead" type of argument.

>East asians high iq scores are mainly due to there bias,
What kind of bias?

>and impressive spatial intelligence, scoring lower on verbal which is highly important for one to "understand".
With enough quotation marks you can demonstrate """anything""".

>And obviously less creative.
Have you ever lived in the Far East or East Asia?

Less, their have a much higher population, china alone has more than europes. Bias in a sense that they try to be selective in who takes the test. How many asians won a fields medal ? Pretty laughable.

They're not smarter than the whites. Its just their culture. Its just their family. Its just they lack creativity. Also they just memorize. They are not as smart as pure blooded Aryans. IQ is a lie.

Luck, whites were simply lucky their genetic outliers managed to figure out so many things before the asian ones.

I'm pretty sure human historical discovery is not greater than human future discovery.

before the industrial revolution anyone but swarthy brown eyed meds in europe was completely irrelevant
white people got lucky to discover the scientific method, follow it and start accumulating discoveries
arabs were superior to euros for centuries, doesn't mean they are smarter than the average caucasian

also, asians are more creative than whites, much more creative - this is probably due to g correlating with all types of intelligence
uspto.gov/web/offices/ac/ido/oeip/taf/cst_all.htm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Intellectual_Property_Indicators
note that about half the US patents are by foreigners, who are also often asian

the past 100 years caucasians have discovered a lot, but things change

100 ? Lol, and they are clearly not.q

they cheat on everything desu senpai

why discover anything when the whites and jews are gonna do it for you?

Already said, but Asians are good enough at math puzzles, that it covers up the fact that they are deficient in a lot of other areas. And Chinese only have like 3 points over whites.

All true, but for "as many scientists" China lags in patents, and paper citations.

>Not being a mixed "race" mutt

wew lad

No doubt playing a piece written by a dead White man.

just like how anime characters are all white

history did not start a 100, 200 or 300 years ago and it hasn't ended yet
i am just posting some facts and putting things in perspective
it's simply impossible to deny asians are brianier
a link itt proves you wrong
i am guessing your racial politics prevented you from seeing it
3 points is the lowest estimate of the racial difference in intelligence, where east asians are given their lowest possible score and whites their highest

I mean if you look at it from this perspective everyone is black to some percentage

Asians are risk averse and their societies are unforgiving

You must be Chinese. Chinese patents are more likely to be incremental improvements to existing inventions than novel inventions. They do have a low rate of scientific paper citations. And they have a lot of universities, but few of them appear in lists of high ranking universities. Chinese science overall is of poor quality.

High intelligence = risk aversion (civility)

Low intelligence = risk taker (crimes)

It means they're able to consistently have better foresight.

I've had trouble reading Chinese stuff, or going to china. Very difficult area to understand really.

>earth is like azeroth where each race has its own special power

i'm glad you moved from creativity, low iq distribution standard deviation to 'risk averse and unforgiving'
too bad that stuff has very little to do with anything
most inventions are like that

Civility = Knowledge of civics
Risk aversion = Pre-frontal cortex development

fixed that for you

Reply to self: I should point out that I live in California and have extensive first hand contact with a lot of nationalities. Chinese people are great, I don't have a problem with them at all. They are better immigrants than Mexicans by a long shot. But their intellect is about the same as whites, and not a bit better. Apart from being really good at math puzzles they are basically autists. They gravitate to repetitious, uncreative work like accounting and rarely lead innovation.

Creativity. Asians have a very contrived culture, that undermines it.
IQ doesn't measure creativity because we don't understand the mechanism behind creativity, therefore we can't correctly measure it.

They're pretty great, yeah, not too different from you and me aside from how they talk

>post proof asians don't lack creativity
>"lalalalalallala can't hear you"

Asians have very traditional societies to the point of religion - Confucianism, which declares existing laws unquestionable, they use intelligence to comply with this setting.

asians study to get good jobs and make their parents proud , while whites usually have passion on what they're doing and are not just money thirsty machines and are genuinely interested in the subject they're studying, that's why they evolved to be creative .. their purpose is to create.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_factor_(psychometrics)#Creativity
the citations also

well, hard to argue with that

>asians don't have creativity
Proven wrong by anime and video games

When they try to act on their ideas, it doesn't work because they can't see shit through their chinky eyes.

It's like dolphins, they probably think of all kinds of awesome shit but then if they try to build anything all they have is these retarded flippers to work with, so they swim around and rape each other instead

Brb einstein, newton, maxwell, perelman, planck,bohr, feynman,euler,gauss gtfo

not to mention their porn
wtf, those people are repressed and need help

by the way anime is their lowest achievement in terms of art

Asians are awesome, the west just doesn't understand them and their rich culture. The same can be said about most cultures and civilizations outside of the west

No lol, they suck brb en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Planescape:_Torment

half of those are jewish or have jewish genes
>inb4 we wuz ashkenazi
ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/Nebel-HG-00-IPArabs.pdf

this is my favorite meme btw
just imagine where we would be if germanics weren't suffering from inferiority complexes

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planescape:_Torment *

The reason for this is because God picked Europe to have the Industrial Revolution so that's why it happened there.

This ashkenazi guy is white, plus how is it that asians much more numbered haven't produced anyone even close to them ?

>literally we wuz ashkenazi n shiet
this guy is caucasian and is smart because of his jewish heritage as intelligence is genetic

chinese invented civilization and were superior to europe for centuries, and in terms of patents, industrial innovation - the tide has turned again

i don't know what you are talking about or what you think you're doing when you post a picture of a man

When ? AGAIN, NEWTON, MAXWELL,EULER, GAUSS, SCHRODINGER, HEISENBERG, ARCHIMEDES, GALOIS, LAGRANGE, HOW CAN ASIANS EVEN COMPETE ??? NAME TWO, TWO!!!!

white people have outliers
this doesn't mean all the epidemiologic evidence i've posted is incorrect

all it will take for you to learn names of famous asian scientists is google that
if you made your silly argument in the 11th century arabs would be superior, by the same 'logic', you basically have a selection bias

i am enjoying seeing you capslock in rage, defending your pathetic heritage, this is my goal too

No one cares about that crap, Asians invented paper which is more useful than any of the stuff those guys did.
Without Asians all their abstract equations and stuff would have been forgotten long ago

They made minor contributions compared to those that I mentioned, I don't believe you are able to comphrend the magnitude of the work of those that I mentioned. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell's_equations

comprehend*

>minor contributions
even if we assume you are right, that doesn't make it easier, intellectually speaking

as shown itt, which you should read carefully

Brb whites invented computers, father of information theory Claude Shannon.

Do you have skype or discord ?

Turing was a faggot. He was trying to invent a machine he could use to look at gay porno

But they were much easier.

>being this ignorant
Medicine, engineering, mathematics, etc were all invented by Africans. Without them no other invention would have been possible.
atlantablackstar.com/2014/10/01/12-african-inventions-that-changed-the-world/

Does not matter brb gays have higher iq

Gtfo

neither
why

if they are so smart then why don't they know which body part is supposed to go inside which other part

Wow this is almost as bad as white "WE IZ MASTER RACE" tards

Talk can you download discord ?
idk

this is some blog that wewuzes everything in favor of blacks

go away

Scared on getting owned?

It's pressure vs freedom. Pressure is necessary for productivity, freedom is necessary for creativity.

>1) IQ does not measure intelligence. It measures a specific skill that can be loosely described as "puzzle solving".

Wrong. IQ is a measure of general cognitive functioning.

It includes all sorts of shit that has nothing to do with puzzle solving like reaction speed, vocab size and so on.
>unknowingly training

You have literally not read any research on IQ at all, have you? No amount of brain training of any form will improve your IQ. If you can come up with a form of brain training that will reliably improve someone's IQ I'd love to read your paper (preferably published in a reputable peer-reviewed journal).

Kindly please fuck off and never post on Veeky Forums again.

They have stagnated under the same mindless culture for millennia.
People who explored and adventured to new continents wanted a different (less stupid) culture.
Stupid has no limits to country, race, religion, culture, etc. Less stupid is still stupid. (Yes, I'm crazy. Aren't you broken yet?)

Because IQ tests and academic tests in general are a terrible predictor of ability.

>Because IQ tests and academic tests in general are a terrible predictor of ability.

Except IQ is the single best predictor of workplace performance (Bertua, Anderson & Salgado, 2005).

Either provide references or shut the fuck up and kill yourself.

Except it isn't (Holtz, Fremdon & Serjerio, 1977)

Checkmate.

Do Asian Americans test higher than white Americans?

You can't really rely on China and other East Asian countries (who typically make up the "high in" Asian countries) to reliably self report.

Not him btw
but you ought to mention what the correlations are for your best predictor and are they any good

They are above O, they just aren't impressive

Descartes before the whores.

Except the marshmallow test showed to be a better predictor (Shoda, Mischel, Peake, & 1990)

Yeah doing well at bitch tests is a good predictor for how much of a bitch employee you can be. Has nothing to do with science.

This chart suggests that a eugenics program should be a group of ethnically diverse, intelligent humans, since you both get the intelligence and minimize danger of accumulating harmful recessive traits

Asians do what they are told.

It's a create way to be studious and get good grades, but you need imagination and the nerve for risk if you want innovation, Asians lack this.

Yes, and Ashkenazi Jews, "coincidentally" the only intelligent Jewish group and only one to evolve in Europe, derive around half of their genome from Europe. I imagine you're a Chink or Pajeet with a serious inferiority complex yourself.
timesofisrael.com/ashkenazi-jews-descend-from-350-people-study-finds/