Are there any ways that a race of aquatic creatures could develop spacefaring technology?

Not that poster.
It took us something like 6.75 million years to go from poo-flinging to shit-posting.
Earth is ~4.7 billion and we aren't exactly space dwellers yet.
That doesn't mean others would take the same amount of time, but it's the best information we have.
Bear in mind we've had a lot of massive extinctions and large biological shifts on the planet leading to our eventuality, but that doesn't absolutely mean high cognitive development could never happen without so much biological shift. Amphibians developed relatively early on.

No chance.

Fire is such a huge part of every foundation of technology.
No fire. No created tools. Only things found in the environment and repurposed.
No bricks, no metal work.

How also do you start a society where you can't store food?

Can't happen

Perhaps. Deep sea vents are a good source for all sorts of chemicals and heat (and heat gradient with cold surrounding waters), all of which could be very useful. There's all sorts of weird stuff going on in the universe, and anyone who says no because it is not the way it happened on Earth lacks imagination, but then science fiction doesn't really belong on Veeky Forums, either.

You must define the planet they live on.
Is it like Earth but no intelligent land species? Is there no surfaced land?
They would first conquer the land/build floating stations.
Europa/Enceladus tier? That would take longer.

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>How also do you start a society where you can't store food
Perhaps instead of storing food, they create a society that focuses heavily on farming enough food for all citizens. So they don't grow grain and then store it, they just have standing seaweed/fish farms that people eat from whenever they get hungry

Let's assume earthlike, but with less large continents so large lifeforms don't have as many resources to evolve

if they have access to deep sea temperatures and practically sterile environments, those are some pretty good places to dump heaps of stuff for storage

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The conquering of land by a sapient aquatic creatures would make an interesting book. "The dry frontier" about brave landanouts travelling deep into the land with their wild companion-slave neanderthals. The adventures they have, the things they see - forests on fire on the edge of the desert - will blow the bubble of your imagination!

No worries friend, thanks for the thought.

>starts with or advances with fire
this is like saying life NEEDS water the fact is we dont have a fucking clue because we have never seen other life than what has evolved on earth there can be aliens that eat ocks and shit gold idfk we dont know and wont have any clue till we find life

What kind of tech might a species like that use? How would they actually get themselves out of the water? I'm imagining the fish mech suit from futurama, but that's obviously ridiculous

>Technology would be based on high-level biology.

In the Paul Preuss / Arthur C. Clarke “Venus Prime” sci-fi series, the aliens are descended from cuttlefish and their ability to rapidly shift skin color and patterns evolved into speech and they went on from there to eventually develop biological based high technology, including space travel.

In Harry Harrison’s “Eden” alt-history series, dinosaurs survived and evolved into a sentient species and also develop bio-tech, (thou nowhere near as advanced as the aliens above) with genetically altered animals acting as tools, such as aquatic dinosaurs bred into ocean going “ships” and crossing lizards with other life forms to create a kinda poison dart launching “gun”.

Both are good reads.

Sharkskin suit with a manual water oxygenating apparatus (if they can't breath air). And a backpack with water.

you know, I think we've cucked ourselves over way too hard already
I think we've proven we don't deserve to be primo on this planet, have any of this shit, need any of this shit
we should get rid of all these human cuck politicians and cuck bankers and cuck executives and cuck activists. we should let ourselves be ruled by a more intelligent animal, such as a squid or an octopus
it's very obvious already to see that they have higher IQs and more advanced thoughtforms in their society; they don't have the same problems that we do, because they have already advanced past those problems. squids don't really have things like muslim immigration, or interracial tranny cuckoldry, or unprotected gay anal poz swapping, or millennials, or toby fox, or any of that sorta stuff, yknow? you ever notice that?
i think maybe humans don't necessarily need to be made completely extinct, but a ruling class, aristocracy, global elite of more intelligent squid or octopus is really probably the only way we can clean up any of the mess we've made for ourselves at this point

get help.

i agree, we do need help
we need a lot of help to uncuck ourselves
and i really think squids are the only animal smart enough to help us

Agree that we are more retarded as a colective than cockroaches. Suicidal.

no need, no tech

another schizoid lol

Yes, but it takes about 400 million years to do so.

Why would hands develop underwater?

You know, once they invent their version of the internet there will be brainlet neckbeards who post about "waterforming dry land" and "Let's go to Mars and waterform it!"

Who says they are fish or need water to breath? Imagine an air-breathing octopus. They'd just need a wetsuit and water tank for their skin.

lol I dunno.

High intelligence is the most important factor, so the task is to find reasons why a race would evolutionary favor to breed intelligence into their stock under water. Which is possible, not likely but possible. But then the intelligence must be developed to a higher standard than even the 'black' humans on earth, because black african tribes and nations were never able to develop significant technology on their own. So the brain squids must be at least on the level of asian or white people.

Go away /pol/.

Imagine mermaids. They will need to develop weel first... and roads... they are essentially fucked.

>Everyone who disagrees with me is le skitzofren boogeymang, because I said so
Not an argument. Try again.

>everyone who disagrees with me is le polish boogeymang, because I said so
Not an argument. Wow, start arguing ANY TIME.

Even worse - pretty much no chemistry. Open containers just do not work underwater for most substances. They'd spill out unless they were insoluble and heavier than water, and you can completely forget about gases. Underwater environments are horrible for any sort of materials processing technology.

so dark souls was right?

Godwin's law on Veeky Forums.

Every thread with more than 20 replies; will have at least one of the replies accusing another poster of being a regular poster on /pol/.

The fact that you can even be "accused" of posting on /pol/ is a meme in and of itself.

>check his pc
>/pol/ is open
rekt

>check her pc
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destroyed

>her

Only it is /pol/ and it is racist. /pol/ is a term meaning racist or political shit now. Don't you get that?

>Who says they are fish or need water to breath?

Are there any air breathing sea creatures who's evolutionary history didn't take a detour on land?

man those things in-between land creatures and sea mammals must've been really weird.

geothermal vents, lava > fire

The fact that you had to word your question in that manner means that very thing is possible. They went from water to land back to water.

I feel that animals will need to be highly social creatures in order to develop non-evolved tech and high level tools. That sharing of information is essential.

Not so much really.

it's just another buzzword for "thing I don't like and/or don't agree with", just like 'edgy' and 'autism' and 'reddit', and it will eventually be run into the ground and become completely meaningless, just like all the other buzzwords.

Mudskippers are essentially what any general land predator (lion) looked like millions of years ago on its way up the ladder. We could be seeing the next Savannah creatures right here.

They are all the same word though. They all mean, "not my side". We are clan based and everything is, "us vs them".

It's probably the one thing we're best at, as a species; coming up with new synonym words for "thing I don't like". We're masters at it.
We're edgy, autistic, gay, retarded, Jewish, /pol/-grade, tumblr-esque, reddit-tier, plebeian, newfag, brainlet, manlet, cuckold, bigot, shitlord, white, black, yellow, red, green, blue, inside-out, and upside-down MASTERS.

BRAP drive?

never heard of it

Unlike common conception you don't really need hands to create complex tools, the only thing you need is a big brain. There are people out there who have no hands, but still can draw amazing pictures with their feet and can do all sorts of things using feet, arms, mouth, and so on. This is because they have a big brain and when you have this you can use your body in quite effective ways.

So imo the only thing a sea creature would need is a very big brain, like humans, or maybe even bigger and more capable, since it will be more difficult and require more intelligence and creativity to build civilization from scratch underwater.

I do think though a planet with shallow oceans is required. E.g. less than 100 metres. Below that there is no sun light and it is difficult to see complex civilizations emerging somewhere were barely anything alive is.

>This thread
youtube.com/watch?v=N_dUmDBfp6k

>implying humans could've reached their current level of technology using just their feet and mouth

Wouldn't the best point to start be figuring out why they would be interested in space travel to begin with? Land, assuming there is any, would be the more immediate frontier.

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It's of course easier with hands but you can do everything you can do with your hands with your feet and mouth, it just takes longer and is harder. Generally to build up a civilization as we know from scratch under water would probably be harder and take longer. This is why i said these sea creatures would probably have to have an intelligence superior to ours, and in that way still find solutions to their problems.

b-but we were aquatic creatures once too and w-we're faring space just fine! (1 closest astronomical body conquered in just the past 50 years)

Too be fair they'd probably get a lot further than us, since water forming is fucking easy. There's more than enough water on Mars to cover it in an ocean, and that eliminates all the nasty problems with radiation.

In all honesty, if humans survive for another million years I'm almost certain we'll genetically alter ourselves to be amphibious, because it seems that almost all of the potential habitats for life are underwater. We know of at least two bodies in our solar system that definitely have salt water oceans, and its suspected Ganymede, Callisto and more do as well. A species could actually surive in a rogue planet as long as hydrothermal vents still worked.

>because black african tribes and nations were never able to develop significant technology on their own

West Africans invented metal working before white people and almost all of the things we have (the wheel, ironworking, language, numbers) weren't invented by Europeans. So yes, you are a /pol/tard.

Most of the intelligent sea life are large predators. They have no need for hiding.

>LITERALLY EVERYONE who disagrees with me is LITERALLY LE POLAND-SLAV BOOGEY MANG literally JUST because I SAID SO
Fuck off back to your gay anal millennial degenerate Moloch circlejerk /utg/ IRC, you cuck

No, its because you blatently are and your retarded insults betray you. Why don't go to literally any other respectable board and see how long you get away with it? Even /v/ will tell you to fuck off.

Vinca, evidence of copper smelting 7000 years ago. The earliest evidence of metallurgy in Europe. African iron smelting has been suggested as dating from 5000 years ago. Facts straight please we are not on /pol/.

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