The march for science is a step of a global movement to defens the vital role science plays in our society

To be honest I think that this is a horrible idea.

Firstly, politics should NEVER play a part in science (and when I say science I dont mean stuff like gender studies or marketing).
But reading the website (or the email from my university) it is clearly evident (and thinly veiled) that the sponsors are unanimously far left and/or very neoliberal.
(see the sub-page "diversity-principles")

This makes it very clear that this is NOT a march to petition the government for funding and to change it policies
But a march to petition the government to fund institutions which spread leftist values and to change it policies based on leftist views.

After reading their site I can not believe that this is a reaction only to a lack of "unscientific" policies but a lack of leftist policies (and values represented) in general.

On their (very disturbing) "pledge" page they describe what changes they wish to see. This is not an apolitical march for evidence based policy making but they want to:
(a selection of the complete points)

Build a scientific community that works toward the common good and serves all people. (which has nothing to do with the government like most of these points)
Ensure that policymakers have and use the best-available science to inform decisions that affect the public. (This should have been "Petition for evidence based policies" and should be unrelated to any mention of the public)
Support scientists if they are censored or punished for disseminating scientific evidence. (a non-issue in any western country)
Hold political leaders and policymakers accountable if they silence, ignore, attack, or distort scientific evidence. (A goal which I support at last)
Work to make sure that scientific research and scientific careers are made more accessible to people from historically underrepresented and marginalized backgrounds. (Far left ideological bullshit)

In my view this is the attempt at a backlash against the right leaning government by the far.

Back to your torture chamber

Everything gets coopted by SJWs nowadays, whether they are right-wing SJWs or left-wing SJWs.

Oh please if you guys actually gave a damn you could grab the world by the balls using nothing but your left handed "magic".

What are you guys gonna do? Give us immortallity?
Build the Matrix machines?
Skynet?

>Back to your torture chamber

That block of text was beautiful to read, made my morning. Thanks user.

>Firstly, politics should NEVER play a part in science
>After reading their site I can not believe that this is a reaction only to a lack of "unscientific" policies but a lack of leftist policies (and values represented) in general.

I mean the NIH and other organizations are being defunded so I don't know what kind of reaction you're expecting. People will become political if you make them political. There's no real reason for this to happen besides modern politics.

If the current party wasn't so against science this wouldn't be happening. They've made it political and now a lot of people are going to be losing grants just because.

A few corrections:

>far left
Far left is socialism. Do they reject free markets? No? Then they're not far left, or even left for that matter. American liberals accept the free market as it is, therefore they are not far left.

>very neoliberal
Not what you think it means. Neoliberal refers to ECONOMIC principles. Basically, the more neoliberal you are, the more right-wing you tend to be, rather than leftist. Not to be confused with the term "liberal" that americans tend to use to describe people with progressive SOCIAL views.

Please refrain from using terms you have little understanding of in the future.

Finally,

>politics should NEVER play a part in science
I know you want to believe this, but it's never and can never be true. The economic system and ideology of a state always directly influences the type of scientific research that is conducted.

If we are living in a national socialist state obsessed with racial ideology, biological science that focuses on racial issues will be funded/encouraged.

If we live in a neoliberal state (Western world), some research is funded by certain departments of the state, most others by corporations and their profit interests.

Science as a field of work isn't a blank slate where you can just research what you want freely and with no constraints, you're always tied to funding and finite materials. You can't divorce politics from science no matter how hard you try, at least not now or in the foreseeable future.

>The economic system and ideology of a state always directly influences the type of scientific research that is conducted.
i think you mean
>The economic system and ideology of a state always directly influences the type of scientific research that is funded by the state.

>Far left is socialism. Do they reject free markets? No? Then they're not far left, or even left for that matter. American liberals accept the free market as it is, therefore they are not far left.
why are you conflating the sponsors of the march with American liberals?

I think we're effectively saying the same thing, yeah.

You think the sponsors of the march are socialist? I mean, I don't know them personally, but if they are in America, they can't be socialist, because socialism or socialist political interests don't exist in America. Unless some fringe european trotskyist party funded this walk, I highly doubt its sponsors are far left.

>I mean, I don't know them personally, but if they are in America, they can't be socialist, because socialism or socialist political interests don't exist in America.
was bernie sanders a figment of my imagination?

>historically underrepresented and marginalized

This phrase is iron-clad proof that the agenda is not science.

Science doesn't deal with those issues.

Thank you.

I am not saying that scientific institutions should be defunded.
But I am saying that the organizers are disingenuous and their interest are not in science, but in leftists values which they try to push through the cover of science.

I grant you that some of the views I ascribed to the people may be wrong but I am certainly convinced that most of them are in favor of progressive policies and are advocating for these policies through this march.

>I know you want to believe this, but it's never and can never be true.
That's why I used the word "should" I never argued that it isn't happening but I described an ideal to strive for.

And I believe that this march counteracts this ideal. If scientists petition the government (and this itself is perfectly fine) they should never do it from any political point.
The organizers are clearly not standing up for science itself, they are mixing it with their own political views.

This is where I think the difference lies.
The government will, as you rightly pointed out, always force the hands of science.
But what science shouldn't do is making itself political, it should only represent science itself.

And the issues that come with science making itself a political tool are far greater then science being pushed around by the ever changing government.

exactly, gender studies and transnigger studies are not science

Bernie is a social democrat, which puts him in the centre-left position, similar to the euro Nordic countries that he admires. He doesn't advocate for any of the hallmarks of socialism, he just wants to humanise the free market by imposing more regulations to decrease economic inequality. But that's still accepting capitalism. Socialism is the rejection of capitalism.

There's a running self-sarcastic poke among the European left that everyone claims to be a socialist, but then when they come in power they accept the free market and act like social democrats rather than what they used to fight for.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism

For reference, democratic socialism (SOCIALIST economic system) does not exist in the western world. Social democracy (CAPITALIST economic system) exists in the nordic countries however.

shut up brainlet we all know that the far-left ideals of this march refer to the social justice bullshit

>People who aren't exactly like me are expressing opinions in public!!!
>Sociallism!1! SJWS!!!
Really now?

>>People who aren't exactly like me are expressing opinions in public!!!
but that's not the issue, why do you strawman?

half the march's website is about equality of outcome nonsense

Excuse me for actually thinking that you wanted me to present an argument rather than an angsty rant.

The far-left doesn't exist in the western world, get it through your skull. Socialist parties are the most marginalized parties out of any political orientation available in Europe. If the jews wanted them to be a thing, they would be a thing. Start using your brain.

You're misunderstanding the difference between classical liberalism and neo liberalism

>The far-left doesn't exist in the western world, get it through your skull.
if you don't think an extremely large number of college students and young adults in America would press an 'end capitalism' button without thinking twice about it, you're delusional

just because neither of the two mainstream political parties espouse these views doesn't mean these ideologies haven't taken hold of millions of people

I never referred to classical liberalism, I referred to neoliberalism (economy) and the term "liberal" that Americans online use to describe supporters of the Democrat party. So I'm not sure what you mean.

>but that's not the issue
Then you've utterly failed to explain what the issue actually IS.

>half the march's website is about equality of outcome nonsense
What?
There's a page about equality and discrimination for it under "about", which contains absolutely nothing even slightly concerning. "We cannot ignore issues of racism, sexism, homophobia, ableism, xenophobia, or any other form of discrimination in the discussion and implementation of science." blah blah blah. Nothing you wouldn't see on any university website.

Other then that there's only a brief few mentions on the the site. Of the eleven "principles and goals" it takes up just one, and equality and discrimination aren't mentioned at ALL on the front page.
If you find that shocking, I don't really know how you cope with any other website outside Veeky Forums.

Also "equality of outcome nonsense" is an incredibly broken way of looking at the whole discussion. Outcomes, behaviours and social pressures are all highly linked in any community, and pretending they can be neatly separated is absurd. Sociology is actually complicated.

That remains to be seen. Either way, the old rich people that hold the power today have nothing to do with socialist ideals, which was my point. Soros isn't a socialist, he's a Clintonian neoliberal. Whether in the future we'll have larger socialist movements is something that remains unknown to me, and I am not doubting your personal experiences. But that's not relevant to the argument about the top 1% and their influence.

>far left and/or very neoliberal.
Burger detected. Those things are the complete opposite

>Those things are the complete opposite
Yes.

That doesnt mean that any group of people can not contain people from both.
It was also rightly pointed out that these terms didnt really fit.

I take the burger as a compliment though. English is my second language.