Hates the Cathedral, which includes Calvinism and Transcendentalism

Long haired David is really handsome when he doesn't hide behind that bandana.

monarchism is retarded

austrian economics is retard tier tho. The only truly interesting Nrxer is Land, who for better or worse may probably be the latest entry in the western philosophical cannon

you live under monarchy right now, you've just been brainwashed to believe you don't.

whoa..... dude man. like.... whoa

>choosing your political ideology on the basis of aesthetics, celebrity memes and stereotypes

Please don't reproduce

this is the redditist post i have ever read

You have beliefs you're incapable of questioning, people you're terrified of disagreeing with, and sets of phrases you parrot to signal to others your piety and simply because they feel good.

Your monarchy being refracted isn't a positive

Why are you redefining the term monarchy to mean something completely different from what it actually means in political philosophy?

>You have beliefs you're incapable of questioning, people you're terrified of disagreeing with, and sets of phrases you parrot to signal to others your piety and simply because they feel good.

nope I don't. You can only be a twitter liberal dipshit who communicates through beyonce gifs or a greasy neckbeard who LARPs as le reactionary on reddit. Literally the only two kinds of human there are

lol
noam chomsky is morpheus in
the statrix

i disagree

>austrian economics is retard tier tho

Some falls under that category, esp if you come from a Marxist background. But it's not like Marxist theory doesn't go some pretty fucking ridiculous places itself. Classical liberalism is a good look.

>he only truly interesting Nrxer is Land, who for better or worse may probably be the latest entry in the western philosophical canon

Land is interesting for sure, and he might indeed be the most well-known, but I'm glad he's not the only game in town. He won't be going in the canon, although he might have contributed something arguably even more important just by being the fucked-up guy that he was.

Given a choice between Nick Land's utopia and Moldbug's, I'd take Moldbug's any day of the week. Neither is realistically probable any time soon, if ever, but I feel it warrants mentioning.

Land is important because he's the most well known intellectual in NRx/DE. But not everything has to be intellectual, is what I mean. Marxists love intellectuals and a Marxist utopia is run by them. Moldbug's thing is something else. I think that's cool.

In the end it comes down to which form of nostalgia you prefer, where on the sliding scale between Victoriana, SF, and cyberpunk.

>In the end it comes down to which form of nostalgia you prefer, where on the sliding scale between Victoriana, SF, and cyberpunk.
this is why I fucking hate nerds. kys

For the sake of argument mostly. It's not as though most people know a thing about Monarchy anyway, most people who insult it believe its detriments to be things they themselves are guilty of.
>nope I don't
You really think you're excluded from delusive thinking? You're the ultimate Jesus or Buddha? Your view of the world is free from the trappings of egoism, confusion, ressentiment or blind hatred?

Tell me, what do you believe, and what justification do you have for it

>For the sake of argument mostly. It's not as though most people know a thing about Monarchy anyway, most people who insult it believe its detriments to be things they themselves are guilty of.

Most people "insult" (i.e. oppose the implementation of) monarchical forms of government because they're inefficient, nonconsultative and oppressive. Why are you comparing the qualities belonging to a form of government to the qualities belonging to an individual?

Moldbug is hardly a celebrity meme, and I have no idea what stereotype you're referring to, unless it's wonderfully charming cats in jackets. As to aesthetics, you might start by asking yourself what the Neetch meant when he said that only aesthetically was life justified. Or the piles of theory written on aesthetics and politics during the twentieth century.

I am 100% already not planning on reproducing myself anyways. Would just like to enjoy the time I have remaining without mourning the failure of Marxism forever. And NRx sounds good. If it comes with bonus memes and stereotypes and aesthetics I won't say no to that.

I wouldn't know. I don't use Reddit.

I wanted to find an interesting picture to attach to this image, but all I could find was this wallpaper from Elite: Dangerous. Sorry I couldn't find anything more explicitly NRx-specific. Although it is a pretty cool image.

There has never been a single social or political study that has approached instrumental value. History happened once and its various forms of government are particular to its specific regions and periods.

There is no reliable reasoning behind any political belief.

I have a soft spot for Moldbug because he was one of the writers who helped be break out of the progressive worldview. that said, his vision for the world is absolutely dystopian

...

That's how I feel as well. And I'm more or less habituated to dystopia at this point.

>why he places so much importance on things like HBD and immigration when at the same time immigration/emigration is what seems to be one of the staples of some of his proposals
The answer is in the question; he places importance on HBD and/with immigration, because he believes the combination of HNU (anti-HBD) and immigration is what's in error; whereas selective immigration, on the basis of worthiness and the like, is to him a positive. Land agrees.

>when they decide to be social theorists on race/gender
But these are literally the moments when they shine brightest. You should know they're all big fans of lgbt people (v. much including trans people); they just think the scientifically indisputable fact of cross-gender differences, despite whatever overlap, should have consideration in policy.

> Moldbug is hardly a celebrity meme
Land is a celebrity meme on this board. That's why you like him.
>I have no idea what stereotype you're referring to
When you said "-is not obnoxious nu-atheist plebtier garbage without being #MAGA either", ruling out a particular description of reality because "lol I think they look dumb".
>he said that only aesthetically was life justified
In the Birth of Tragedy, a view he later abandoned after getting out from under the sickness of Schopenhauer and Wagnerian Romanticism.

>I am 100% already not planning on reproducing myself anyways. Would just like to enjoy the time I have remaining without mourning the failure of Marxism forever. And NRx sounds good. If it comes with bonus memes and stereotypes and aesthetics I won't say no to that.
Why? I seriously don't understand. The whole point of a political ideology is to describe human reality and guide our social actions. Why on earth would anyone choose their beliefs on the basis of "dude these cat memes look really cool dude"?? It's like choosing a car on the basis of its paint colour and not whether its steering works or not. Fucking retarded.

>religious-traditionalists
This is what NRx specifically is not.

>Your view of the world is free from the trappings of egoism

Tell that to the people of North and South Korea.

I don't like Land because he's a celebrity meme on Veeky Forums. I like him because he's one of the most interesting philosophers working today, and he has a blog and a twitter account that I can follow. And, occasionally, talk about on Veeky Forums.

>"lol I think they look dumb"

I don't just think they look dumb. They are dumb. And then later this is echoed by the look.

>In the Birth of Tragedy, a view he later abandoned after getting out from under the sickness of Schopenhauer and Wagnerian Romanticism

There are, as you know, many Neetches to go around. I happen to think that one was a little more lucid and with it than his later versions. And I'll eat my tasteful headgear if you think Nietzsche would ever have gone back on that statement in any case.

>Why on earth would anyone choose their beliefs on the basis of "dude these cat memes look really cool dude"?

I agree, that *would* be pretty ridiculous. Of course, that's not what I actually said, or implied, and only the most incredibly uncharitable and simplistic reading of my post would have implied it. Don't be silly. It would be like

>choosing a car on the basis of its paint colour and not whether its steering works or not. Fucking retarded

Good thing I don't actually believe any of these things, or I'd be really embarrassed.

I found a better and more appropriate picture this time, too.

Explain why this being untrue
>You have beliefs you're incapable of questioning, people you're terrified of disagreeing with, and sets of phrases you parrot to signal to others your piety and simply because they feel good
necessitates
>Your view of the world is free from the trappings of egoism, confusion, ressentiment or blind hatred

It seems to me that confusion, in particular, would naturally occur often in an individual who could question any belief they might hold. And an individual who is willing to disagree with anybody could very well be egotistical or hateful, as these feeling would fuel their disagreement.

>He won't be going in the canon
yes he will
he arguably already is

As far as I'm concerned Land is a politically irrelevant thinker. No-one has ever been able to explain to me exactly *why* Land wants the AI king to subjugate humanity, and any programme to bring that about would be incompatible with everything the right wing cares about.

Well, anything's possible. Somehow I feel as though of all people Nick Land would genuinely not care whether he made it in or not. But if he got in, then, more power to him, I suppose.

This is not to take anything away from Nick Land. Nick Land is brilliant. And clearly he's been through a lot of shit in his life to get where he is. I've argued in other threads on Veeky Forums that he is also frequently misunderstood. He has a couple of memes on here, but anyone worthy of getting double-memed on Veeky Forums is interesting.

This is a pretty good talk. You may have heard it before.

youtube.com/watch?v=yJMlaupGHTM

Also, one of the loveliest pieces of pixel art I have ever seen. If anyone knows what/where this is from I'd love to know.

long post

Have you read Fanged Noumena or his Dark Enlightenment essay? FN has one absolutely great essay at the start as well as Meltdown, and the rest will vary depending on taste. Thirst for Annihilation didn't do much for me.

Land is anything but irrelevant. What you have to understand is that 'reaction' is an umbrella concept that includes a lot of different interests. Nick Land doesn't really want to just build Skynet for the sake of building Skynet. He's more about tech secession from politics. For all his quirks, he's still practicing a very rigorous line of quasi-Marxist thinking: just follow the money. Except that he's followed the money through wormholes in space and time (some simply via philosophical rigour, others by drugs/schizoanalysis/etc) and come out the other side in the place where he is in now.

As far as I can tell, what he wants is for people to own up to the responsibilities of what they really want: capital, and everything that follows from this - technology, computers, space, and so on. He does not care about politics or government in the way that Moldbug does, for instance.

But all of these guys are finding themselves having more to do with each other in the NRx/DE/reactosphere whatever than they do with other centre-left libdems, neocons, neoliberals, paleo-cons, tea partiers, civil war re-enactors...whatever. And bear in mind that none of them, Nick Land included, expected Trump to win. Warrants mentioning.

Anyways, Nick Land is super-duper interesting, for sure, but he's a complicated guy. And I only got to him after reading a lot of other continental stuff that seemed to be leaving out the elephant in the room: humanity. We don't know what we want, and it's leading us to dark places.

Nick lives in those dark places. The Neetch was there also. But Nick is alive today, and that's pretty cool too.

>He's more about tech secession from politics.
You haven't explained *why*.
> what he wants is for people to own up to the responsibilities of what they really want: capital, and everything that follows from this - technology, computers, space, and so on.
What responsibilities?
>He does not care about politics or government in the way that Moldbug does, for instance.
So he's politically irrelevant. Why call himself reactionary then, which is a political ideology?

It's getting fairly late over here, so I'm going to have to pack it in after this. But first:

>He's more about tech secession from politics.
>You haven't explained *why*

See the clip here (). I think it may help you to understand where he's coming from. In brief, he's wondering about human social organization. With good reason. We don't always think with our heads, and this gets us into trouble.

>What responsibilities?

Well, he was pretty sold on Moldbug's concept of the Cathedral: a sort of liberal-democrat fantasy that had quietly taken over control of Western culture, and that Nick felt was leading to all sorts of dilemmas for progressives: with Islam, for example, among many other things. Capital, for Nick, is restricting society in ways that are far more powerful and wide reaching than conventional forms of social organization, or even culture, are aware of. He feels, more or less, that the contemporary left is in a profound state of denial about this. I agree with him.

>So he's politically irrelevant. Why call himself reactionary then, which is a political ideology?

As I indicated, 'neoreaction' - perhaps I should have been more specific - is an umbrella term. Nick belonged to a wing of it called (mildly embarrassingly) the 'Dark Enlightenment.'

It's a stupid name but that's not the point. Like Moldbug, he was articulating a very strong critique of mass liberal-democratic culture.

The degree to which you consider him "relevant" or "irrelevant" depends on taste. He's not Donald Trump. But he has a pretty dedicated following of people who think he is very interesting, and they aren't all stupid; Ray Brassier, for example, is by no means a wing nut. He's a serious professional philosopher who thinks Nick is pretty keen. There are plenty of others. But he basically lives now like a recluse in China, for various reasons. This is going to set natural limits on how often he is likely to be in the spotlight.

So he's not the most visible guy out there, but he's hardly "irrelevant." Relevancy is simply a question of which stories and narratives you follow. I follow his rather closely.

This essay is worth reading.

thedarkenlightenment.com/the-dark-enlightenment-by-nick-land/

*restructuring, not restricting

>In brief, he's wondering about human social organization. With good reason. We don't always think with our heads, and this gets us into trouble.
Everyone interested in politics is "wondering about human social organisation", that's hardly unique to Land. What exactly is the *content* of these wonderings?
>Capital, for Nick, is restricting society in ways that are far more powerful and wide reaching than conventional forms of social organization, or even culture, are aware of.
What "ways" exactly? Again, you're not specifying. Again, Land is far from unique in seeing capital as restricting society, that is essentially the socialist critique of capitalism in toto.
>It's a stupid name but that's not the point. Like Moldbug, he was articulating a very strong critique of mass liberal-democratic culture.
What exactly *is* this critique?

I still can't work out what Land thinks, why he thinks it, and what relevance it would have to a political programme. All you've posted so far is vague mutterings about wormholes and Islam. Where's the beef?

If he's anything like Land it's outright demonlogy

What Land wants to manifest is the absolutely in-human

his work is towards eradication of all life, extreme nihilism

Sourth Korea was under essentially right wing authoritarian governments till the 80s, and in recent news the president was impeached because she was taking orders from some mystics.

I would hardly call it a model for democracy.

It's a haven for corporate neoliberalism. It's the ideal model for liberal democracy

There are protests and riots almost every day now, either about the fact that the president was taking orders from a psychic or because of a radical feminist movement running amok there.

It isn't ideal, the whole peninsula is fucked up because they are still essentially trying to do their old ways de facto through western systems de jure.