"I majored in Philoso-"

> I'LL GET A NUMBER TWO, THREE NUMBER FIVES, FOUR LARGE COK-

He is black he wouldnt make it through without stealing the degree.

My government actually hires a philosopher to consider the ethical implications of their investments. I fucking hate my country.

Veeky Forums is filled with so many cringy and butthurt philosophy fags its amazing. They call anons from Veeky Forums "STEMlords" and go on rants how philosophy takes more intelligence than fedora science.

Veeky Forums history threads are very pleasant though

it's a good board

Yeah and the president of the U.S. has an advisory body. Your point?

>"I majored in engineeri-
YA I'LL TAKE A LARGE COCK UP THE ASSHOL-

>It's a good board
This is only true if you cut off half of it's boards. It has great history threads but horrible humanities threads. Combining History and humanities was fucking stupid. The Humanities part of Veeky Forums is literally worse than /b/.

At least i get to fuck your wives

Doesn't philosophy pay better than any other non-STEM major though? I feel like people only pick on it because it's full of white men and therefore a safe target.

>It has great history threads but horrible humanities threads. Combining History and humanities was fucking stupid. The Humanities part of Veeky Forums is literally worse than /b/.
You're baiting right

Great original content OP.

Philosophy majors actually have the best salary prospects out of all humanities bachelors degrees, and better employment prospects than a few STEM fields.
theatlantic.com/notes/2015/09/philosophy-majors-out-earn-other-humanities/403555/
colleges.startclass.com/stories/12115/college-majors-with-the-highest-post-grad-unemployment#Intro
Turns out that employers tend to value a degree exclusively concerned with construction and evaluation of rigorous arguments surrounding every aspect of the individual's relation to the world. It tends to cultivate a disciplined, creative and self-aware approach to problem solving.

The thing with math is that it's so foreign to almost everybody that it's underappreciated (to my way of thinking) in this regard, even though it's pound-for-pound a better way to train abstract reasoning and rigor, since it's essentially impossible for personal biases owing to context and upbringing to creep in to mathematical work, while naive (ethical) realism can inform, and sophistry conceal, weak positions in philosophy, and a great deal of philosophical training is in how to overcome this and particular cognitive biases. However, math has a steep learning curve as well for most people first encountering proofs. So who knows?

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>meme forcing samefag
Solipsism is a naive, trivial position which should be regarded as an alternative to philosophy, and not a form of it.

>have the best salary prospects out of all humanities bachelors degrees

>humanities

That's boasting about a sandwich made from your own faeces was voted 'least disgusting' at the 42nd faecal sandwich making competition.

chem eng
70k starting
wow I should get into that

>Effective tax rate negative for the super rich

America, everyone. Holy shit

What are you smoking? In America, the bottom two quintiles of earners have an effectively negative tax rate.

this looks like the walmart in my town maybe they all just have really similar layouts

yeah a philosophy factory just opened up near me.

>non-STEM means negligible job prospects
You clearly don't understand how markets work.

>philosophy factory
Yeah yeah my chemistry degree is an excellent way to get a job inspecting widget inspectors in an automated factory that produces tools for grebe inspectors to use inspecting grebes, right?

Actually philsophers are one of the best-payed and highest-emplyed of the humanities. I know that doesn't jive well with Veeky Forums's super low brow ignorant shitposting memes, but jsyk you're all wrong. And not just about how employable philosophy is.

Veeky Forums is a fucking cesspool whatchu on about m8

To be fair, most people who major in the sciences are dumber than philosophy majors.

Maybe if I spread my shitpost across 4 post and use caps, I'll matter as a human being.

*tips fedora*

most of Veeky Forums likes to conveniently ignore the fact that the unemployment rate for any degree holder is less than 3%. they also like to ignore that graduating from a legit 4 year institution with any degree (even stuff like african studies) is still a rarity, and puts you above 90% of the rest of society.

i think this comes mostly from butthurt sperglords who still can't get a job after graduation or NEET """self learners""" who have no concept of what a professional career entails.

I own three vintage fedoras and look good in them, as a matter of fact. Even the teenyboppers on /b/ have grudgingly admitted they suit me when I've posted pictures of myself.

This

do you have any figures about percent unemployed in the field of their degree?

Many people don't get the career they wanted after college, they just end up working as a wage slave to some coffee shop

while you are correct about under-employment and employment outside their degree field, "wage slave in a coffee shop" is hyperbole as the average income/lifetime earnings of a degree holder is still significantly higher than someone without.

i was speaking only of employability and earnings, not job satisfaction or achievement of career goals.

>"wage slave in a coffee shop" is hyperbole as the average income/lifetime earnings of a degree holder is still significantly higher than someone without.
We get a little correlation vs causation here though. Completing a degree demonstrates a certain level of commitment and tenacity above the general population, which itself influences lifetime success. So it's hard to pin down what of the discrepancy actually owes to market value of the degree, and not to differences in life choices.
In a totally unrelated occupation (re: underemployment,) we can assume the degree itself isn't worth all that much of the difference

My buddy majored in Philosophy, got his masters in Law, and became a judge.

Hopefully someone brings this thread up to him when you're on trial for something.

>we can assume
...and you know what happens when you do that.

>Completing a degree demonstrates a certain level of commitment and tenacity above the general population

yes. you've hit the nail on the head here. this is where the market value of the degree lies and why for many careers, the actual field of study is rather irrelevant. that piece of paper is proof of efficacy to any employer that you have a modicum of critical thinking ability and work ethic.

i would also argue that the point of college is to develop these skills and that the details of the field are only of secondary consideration. its why many engineers/scientists are prized in business for their developed analytical abilities and not because they have any specific understanding of the physical world.

As opposed to your alternative of assuming that life choices are so negligible as to be irrelevant in this analysis?

It's because of wagecucks like you that money and jobs even exist. Education for the sake of education is frowned upon.

>It's because of wagecucks like you that money and jobs even exist.
Yeah if you presuppose capitalism lmao
But in the world of reality, existence of "socially necessary labor time" is an objective fact of life and independent of the current mode of production. Jobs are only said to "exist" or "not exist" based on how this socially necessary labor is gatekept by the bourgeoisie, and the manner of this gatekeeping is only dependent on consumption in the first place because production under capitalism is for exchange and not for use. Which is why we get crises when automation takes over, does jobs FOR people, and reduces purchasing power and thus consumption despite a REDUCTION in SNLT.

Why doesn't society value intelligence? Is it because it's only concerned with short-term gains?

Society does value intelligence. It values the kind of intelligence that yields practical applications (science). Just not the kind of intelligence that does not yield practical applications (philosophy).

I never got the idea that humanities have poor prospects. You can get a job quiet easily. The downside is that you'll have to look forward to being a teacher... with K-12 edcuation... Yuck

Most people don't see the value of math. I saw a lost of scores about occupation prestige and people rated math majors high but they scored similar firefighter and English teacher despite math taking far more skill and effort. People don't know the real value of math.

Because there's a contradiction between use-value and exchange-value under capitalism.

>People don't know the real value of math
Yep. I mean, how could you know it if you haven't experienced it first-hand? It's impossible

is that way

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>engineers above physicists
good one

If you're so rich, why aren't you smart?

hey screw you dude, median annual wage is 90K on the BLS site

Engineers makes shit happen. You can keep dabbling with your little theories on that spread. Good luck

But theology is just applied philosophy

This isn't exactly wrong, most major discussions get moved to Veeky Forums naturally.

You can tell this was made by brainlet engineer who is not well rounded and spends his time masturbating over solving complicated differential equations.

WAIT. MAKE THAT DIET COKES. I'M ON A DIET.

Hello indoctornated youth

He's rich, he ain't allowed to pay taxes.
Now get off his property

>above

No, they're in the background actually going somewhere.

go work for raytheon once you do.

Veeky Forums here. if people in STEM would take time to understand basic logic instead of assume they understand it because they are in a STEM field it would be a lot harder to poke you guys with sticks.

>macrohistory

Its this shit that makes me feel like History is harder than STEM.

Almost every "art" has a much, much higher skill ceiling than anything in STEM. The vagaries ensure that. They also tend to have a much lower skill floor to get into. Take something like a lit major. It's pretty damn easy to get through with a diploma; however, to do it well is a much different thing that requires a multidisciplinary approach -- note, here I'm not talking about the "value" of such an endeavor, just the difficulty of doing it well. It's not like trying to develop a different isomer of some compound which is governed by strict rules.

This is my first time on /sci, coming from /his ironically just to see if Veeky Forums had any biochemists, then I see this post. When have we ever discussed you, and of course science is harder than philosophy or history. Science has complex logics, philosophy is abstracts and history is just memory banks
Do you know how many active Jew threads we have ATM

>implying I'm not engineering the next dildo with realistic ejaculation
It's all about understanding the human processes to make a toy do it

>Almost every "art" has a much, much higher skill ceiling than anything in STEM.
You're utterly retarded, for all practical purposes neither have a skill ceiling

Do you even read research papers?
There's always harder shit in every field.
The ride never ends.

CWS is the shit.

The schools of thought that claim we cannot know anything are few and far between, most of them being STEM-based.

I graduated with a philosophy degree from a decent school and I work at Kohl's now. And I'm not autistic either. I might have been able to find a career if I had looked harder and longer, but I didn't really see any actual options for myself.

From my experience, which I know isn't everything, most companies are looking to hire positions that require a specialized degree, and are not interested in a humanities degree.

Maybe someone with an excellent resume, with plenty of extra curriculars and leadership experience, could make it happen. But my philosophy program required so much work out of me that I basically had no time to do things like that.

I wasn't really enchanted by the career fields I could get into with a little more education, like insurance, so now I'm going back to a lower tier school for computer science. I'm looking forward to learning something that isn't philosophy desu

>Philosophy
>Paying better than anything
Wtf? What skills do you acquire on a philosophy degree that are more useful than anything that you learn on engineering, physics or any other STEM degree?

The problem with degrees is that its not just the degree that matters, its the other stuff like internships and the skills acquired that matter.

The people who take humanities and learn critical thinking and the ability to not write like shit should have no problem getting some sort of job. And an internship to gain work experience is pretty valuable.

Got to remember, most people don't get a job related to their degree in school. I think its somewhere under 30% who get a job related to the their degree. Its a high school diploma at this point.

>work part time at a pet shop during undergrad
>every other employee has a bachelor's degree but never did anything with it
>all of them ~30yrs old and work full time for minimum wage at a fucking pet store
3 are business admin, one is communications.
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boss literally never graduated highschool

There's precious little "critical thinking" in the humanities, beyond that involved in figuring out your professor's beliefs and how best to pander to them. Philosophy is the exception, as it's not really "humanities" per se, but rather the study of the -intellectual foundations to- humanities, social science, and physical science, among other matters.

I bet those people got a degree and just a degree. You can't rely on just the degree.

Mu co-worker at a grocery story store swears he will make a video-game one day with his video-game design degree.

>Its a high school diploma at this point.

i love this meme.

only ~%38 of the people in the US have a degree of ANY kind. this includes 2 year technical degree's and toilet paper from degree mills like Devry.

if you are only counting people with degrees from legit 4 year institutions its closer to %20. narrow it down further to only top 200 schools and its like %10.

having a degree from a non BK randy university automatically puts you above the vast majority of society and increases your employability by orders of magnitude, even if your degree is in underwater basket weaving or sandscrit.

you faggots think everyone else in the world has a degree because you are surrounded by other educated people. its not the case whatsoever.

That comes not so much from a proliferation of people with degrees but the way that companies have started requiring a degree for really basic assed jobs that shouldn't require a degree.

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>the way that companies have started requiring a degree for really basic assed jobs that shouldn't require a degree
They do so because of a surplus of people with degrees relative to the jobs they're qualified to take
20-38% -sounds- small, but this is all relative to the context of the job market in the first place

ref >Solipsism is a naive, trivial position which should be regarded as an alternative to philosophy, and not a form of it.
Idiot

Popper's falsifiability criterion is philosophy of science in the first place

if the building was built special for the walmart then it has pretty much the exact same layout as all the other walmarts in america

I know a philosophy major.

He married a computer science major and now doesn't have to work a day in his life.

out of all the version of this meme this one gets posted substantially more often then all the other

I was in philosophy club at my uni. I didn't belong at all (STEM major).

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Philosophy or any humanity is a good minor or dual degree to complement a stem major. I'd almost never recommend a dual degree as it's way too broad and you'll just get specialized as you begin actual work so the platform is almost certain to go to waste unless you go out of your way to make use of it.

That said no one cares if you minored in math or did a dual degree in math and physics or engineering. The fact that you majored in physics or engineering tells everyone who looks at your degree that you can do math. Someone with an art, language, or humanity slapped on is gonna be more employable because it significes verbal reasoning, depth of interest, and social skills on top of your more practical skills.

Many schools will pay you to minor in a language on top of your STEM degree. Low competition scholarships abound.

Philosophy created mathematics. They're essentially one in the same.

Inventing and nurturing civilization was clearly a mistake...

>philosopher to consider the ethical implications of their investments.
You have a problem with that?