How do I wash this taste out of my mouth Veeky Forums

How do I wash this taste out of my mouth Veeky Forums

By browsing reddit and leaving literature to the big boys

You seem more interested in the act of being interested in literature than the genuine article

Yeah well appearances can be decieving

Would you care to indulge your opinion then? Or do you prefer posturing?

The premise of the thread itself is pure posturing, if you want a civilized response then make a legitimate criticism to begin with.

Why do I have to personally distance myself from the work before relating to it? I opened this thread with an impression. This novel is utterly disgusting, and I'd like to believe that came across in the OP. All I want is to share my opinion with the rest of the fucking morons who peruse this board, so that I might feel like someone else understands me. Or can I only do that through semi-ironic memes and veiled self-loathing?

become religious

> Or can I only do that through semi-ironic memes and veiled self-loathing?

What on Earth did you think your OP is?
You threw shit and had shit thrown back at you and are having a hissy fit

You're attributing things to me that I am explicitly trying to avoid.
Please, put a modicum of effort into trying to explain to me what exactly is so horrendously disagreeable about this thread. How would you have opened it?
I'm not out to get you.

As I already said with a substansive proposition about work to open a dialogue. If you prefer not to do so in the OP then you had plenty of opportunity to do by now.

DENIZENS OF Veeky Forums

Have you read this book?
What was your opinion on it?
What do you make of the author, and his other works?
Did you personally relate to it in any way? If so, how?
Do you think this book reflects attitudes commonly displayed on this board, and Veeky Forums in general?

Personally, I felt it to be a conscious reflection of the reality of the /r9k/ stereotype, excessively pessimistic and spiteful, but it also spoke to me on a personal level, which makes me genuinely uncomfortable.

>How do I wash this taste out of my mouth Veeky Forums

with this

cancer. absolute filthy garbage. shit.

>excessively pessimistic and spiteful

it was pretty optimistic for a houellebecq novel

there was at least a glimmer of hope at the end, which is a quality absent from every one of his later novels

>Have you read this book?
Yes

>What was your opinion on it?
In 32,000 words Houellebecq manages to illustrate a specific social condition and portray a character (or two, actually) associated with that condition. The satisfying thing about Houellebecq is that he paints with a very broad brush, meaning that he essentially identifies his ideology or theme then words outwards, trapping every event and character in his novels within its web. We have the naive and unattractive office worker making a lot of money in IT but living in isolation desperate for sex, and we have his jaded, world-weary companion who identifies all that is wrong with the world around him. Houellebecq said about the book that his intention was to encourage women to give ugly yet responsible and kind-hearted guys a shot, but he realized only after a couple more novels how quixotic that ambition was. But he succeeds in writing an intensely passionate, sincere if offputting novel within the space of 100 pages, which includes a compelling narrative, interesting social observations, and a unique literary style.


What do you make of the author, and his other works?
Houellebecq is one of my favorite novelists. He is Fernando Pessoa's edgy cousin. I recommend reading his manifesto (To Stay Alive) and also his book of poetry (The Art of Struggle). I have also read Atomized, which is one of the saddest books I've ever read. Submission was a bit flat to me, too logical and detached with the protagonist too lazily illustrated. Platform is very clever and readable enough, though again it lacks the heart that Atomized had. I haven't read The Map and the Territory or his second book of poetry, nor have I read The Island.

>Did you personally relate to it in any way? If so, how?
I am an isolated male working a dull office job in a major city wherein the culture promotes casual sex, the consumption of novel goods and experiences, and what may be referred to as "degeneracy". I can't believe in God (though I want to), I have no interest in supporting the culture predominant in my society, and I am only as nationalist as my anger dictates. Houellebecq represents two fingers raised to the world. He is the Brexit and Trump of the literary world.

>Do you think this book reflects attitudes commonly displayed on this board, and Veeky Forums in general?
There is no attitude representing Veeky Forums as a whole, and most people here are 16 - 21 and obviously don't take very much seriously. It definitely reflects the attitudes of /pol/ and /r9k/, which are in my opinion Veeky Forums's most interesting boards.

>at the end

When frogman dies in a car crash and the protagonist books himself into a mental asylum?

Doesn't seem very optimistic. It reads to me like a prophecy of Nietzsche's, that when the stupid, naive Last Man dominates those who hate society will commit themselves voluntarily to the madhouse.

>It definitely reflects the attitudes of /pol/ and /r9k/, which are in my opinion Veeky Forums's most interesting boards.

The most terrifying you mean. We expected the death throes of capitalism to generate revolutionaries but those are nihilistic revolutionaries. Something went horribly wrong. Marxist thinkers have severely underestimated the consequences of the spread of capitalist ideology beyond economics and into every single aspect of human life. Instead of class consciousness for workers what sprouted is "class" consciousness for social pariah.

I like the fact they are terrifying. I hate this world. I support anybody who seeks to cause mayhem in it by whatever means. If I could vote for an apocalypse tomorrow I'd be first in line at the ballot box.

You can hate this world and try to change it for the better. Most of the solutions /pol/ promote entail suffering for vast swathes of humanity or outright annihilation.

I don't want to waste my time and energy to make it better. Any effort I make will be overwhelmed, and only naive optimism or willed delusion will convince me otherwise. Progress sickens me, human nature in large part repulses me. I advocate ethnocide, genocide or whatever else it takes to give this world what it deserves. Of course I could use my relatively good looks and adopt a pleasant personality and live my life in the service of Love (TM) but ultimately such a life doesn't interest me. I want to confront the reality, and my attempts to do so thus far have only left me nauseated. Death to society. Death to humanity. Death to consciousness.

I would blame this on the 1960s. Since then, movements aimed at subverting the world order have for the most part had their energies directed toward racial or ethnic consciousness, third world consciousness, sex or sexual orientation consciousness, etc. I was reading some stuff about Malcolm X, and he believed that fucking Oswald Spengler had more important things and truth to say than Karl Marx, namely that racial conflict rather than class conflict is the defining struggle of human history. All these groups seem to have their own specific idea of what makes you "woke", and they are frequently at odds with each other in some way or another. I'm not even particularly sympathetic to Marxism, but ignoring his focus on economic relations like so many activists and some academics have for the past few decades is counterproductive.

I guess it's pointless to sit around bitching, "Why aren't the workers gaining class consciousness?", though.

With this

Also consider this

Woah there cowboy!

/pol/s solution calls for suffering of the many now, to spare suffering in the future. And /pol/ is right. We need to clean up massively. Pentti Linkola is right. There is too much human garbage and it includes us as well. We should reduce the world to maybe 60 million people for starters. We wouldn't make it but it's a worthy sacrifice.

>implying all humans aren't garbage

60 million is 60 million too much

If we developed an incurable plague and set it loose in Africa and Asia (excluding Japan and Australasia) and then closed the borders for maybe 10 years, we would rid this world of what is essentially existential baggage. The world does not benefit from China's 1 billion citizens nor India's huge population. The garbage they produce can be produced on a smaller scale in Western countries. Voluntary deportation forces would be set up in each Western country and they would use census data to visit each home where an occupant is infected with perhaps at least 50% of inferior racial genetics (i.e. mongrels) and round them all up. These people largely don't work or work jobs that unemployed Westerners could do in their ancestral land, and children could also do much of the work on a part-time basis. The housing crisis would be over. Crime would plummet. We should simply reboot this planet by quarantining all those infected with weak genetics and start over. We may even have to segregate men and women for several years so that gender roles are re-established. Women would certainly be denied any full-time work (except perhaps in nursing and veterinary care where I imagine a shortage would take place). We may even have to forcefully relocate men and women so that entire cities are split in half, with a wall between the male and female sides, with experienced relationship specialists (matchmakers) employed by the government to properly allocate relationships according to physical appearance and personal disposition. Genitals would be mandatorily cut off and sewn up at birth, allowing only the most basic function of expelling feces and urine. Semen would be harvested at a given time, and when the allocated female gives birth her allocated partner's testicles would be removed and destroyed. Everybody would wear the exact same monocolour clothing, distributed by the government with the only variation being that between male and female garments. A vow of preferred silence would be taken in childhood and renewed routinely, so that even the briefest outburst of irrelevant noise (e.g. gossip or "thinking out loud") results in social shaming. The overweight will be slaughtered. Nobody over the age of ninety would be allowed to live. They would be taught from birth that living beyond that point is useless and would commit suicide with their partner on their ninetieth birthday, with their family present to celebrate their bravery and social conscience. Laughter would be as repulsive in a social setting (where strangers are present) as breaking wind is in our current society.

>ancestral land
So we're gonna deport all white Americans to Europe?

No. A stable definition for "ancestral land" would have to be established, and in Western countries that definition would automatically exclude non-whites and mongrels. Perhaps it would mean that one should have grandparents who were resident in that country, or that you are a migrant from another Western land whose skills are beneficial and needed by the country you have chosen to relocate to. As for Native Americans, the battles between warring tribes were more brutal than anything the European arrives inflicted, and plus no formal land claims were made by the native Americans, who often drifted from place to place due to seasonal changes, changes in local climate and to follow herds of game. Either way they have proven themselves to be inferior in every empirically measurable way. The time for novelty LARPing is over. We must consign them to the pages of history and allow them to flourish nowhere else.

>death throes of capitalism

Read Land and/or D&G.

maybe stop sucking dick

Can't believe we made it so far into the thread without this post

bleach

Who let this kid out of the basement?