Why cant literature students make money off writing?

>literature students can't write good YA shit

would you prostitute your mother dude?
why the fuck do you want me to write ya shit, i don't want to be associated with this pleb shit

It's simple supply and demand, faggot.

why do you relate writing popular shit to prostitution retard.

is a bussiness, you need to make money to live fucking retard.

>but I'll be pleb
where does this mentality come from?

Mozart never wrote a piece of music that wasn't commisioned.

>bussiness
>commisioned

Pseudonyms, familia.
They were different times.
And he would be pleb.

why do you assume commercial art is of bad quality?

Mozart wrote for aristocrats and the wealthy, the masses didn't go to opera.

>why do you assume commercial art is of bad quality?
It's not an assumption, I have eyes and ears.

Mozart was essentially a fucking alien where artistic talent is concerned. There has never been anyone like him in any art form that I'm aware of. Not really fair to compare modern people to him.

I see fine art as tacky and pure snobbery BS.

Magic the gathering has better paintings than some fine art modern BS painting.
Modern pop has better mastering and composition than garbage like 4"3
videogames are still the peak of art today.
Hollywood films are of better quality than many indie shit.

>Hollywood films are of better quality than many indie shit.
There hasn't been an original idea in Hollywood in over 20 years and you know it.

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show me a piece of art that doesn't have previous inspirations.

>videogames are still the peak of art today

20 THOUSAND YEARS TOO LATE FAGGOT

Genesis 1:1

in terms of technical skill, look any modern AAA game.

>look mom, I can shitpost on reddot

There's a difference between "previous inspiration" and constantly regurgitating a stream of sequels and prequels to things from a previous century. No one even TRIES to be artistically interesting since they know they can pack in the profit on Fast and the Furious 23 or some shite.

(And, as for "videogames are the peak of art today", at least 50% of them are just "bloke with gun shoots bad guys" repackaged.)

they're done by the cream of the top artists fagget.
look the portfolio of any of the hollywood artists and they will put to shame any old master.

Still the point still exist.
There's not a single reason why commercial art can't be good.

Look spielberg movies.

>but he's jew or he's shit BS

It's not like they get untalented people to make commercial art. It has a different purpose than what you like probably but the execution isn't bad.

Some nice false dichotomies going here.

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give me a real reason why commercial art can't be as good as fine art.

I'm not arguing that it can't, I just think your reasoning is bad. I'm not the guy you were arguing with.

they can.they just need to write smut porn novels instead of prentestious bullshit.

It CAN, but the fact is it DOESN'T, because the companies making it want to maximize profit and minimize expense. Therefore they'll make the cheapest and shoddiest product they can get away with.

My reasoning is the following:
Literature students are trained on classical techniques.
It's assumed they're properly trained and can write good literature.

Then why they can't write proper fine art literature than can also be commercial hits?

Example = harry potter.

Because the consumer isn't trained in classical techniques so they don't recognise it.

that's like saying someone trained in classical music can't write pop because people can't understand pop music

No, the person trained in classical would be writing classical.

>It's assumed they're properly trained and can write good literature.

They'd be writing what they're trained in.

It doesn't make sense that if you're trained in classical you can't write pop, the foundamentals are the same.

Same as literature, there's not a real reason or diference between smug romance shit and high literature.

the fundamentals are the same.

>the foundamentals are the same.

No they're not.

care to explain?

figures of speech, tropes, rythm, repetition, character arcs, use of figurative language.

is the same.

It's like saying anime uses diferent fundamentals as portrait.

Are those the classical techniques taught to literature students?

My gf is interested in switching into literature from a science major. I'm currently going to school for pathology, should I encourage her to switch and be a stay at home mom basically, or encourage her to keep going for a job-degree?

unless you go to a shit school, I assume any literature student knows that shit plus also grammar.

if you're going to be the bread winner, literature is perfect for wifes.

Because if you're a student, you're already admitting you have no idea what you're doing. So naturally you probably won't produce anything worth any money.

If you knew what you were doing, you wouldn't be a student, at least you wouldn't stay a lit student for long, you'd know enough to just go out and write, and make money.

>unless you go to a shit school, I assume any literature student knows that shit plus also grammar.

? So you are speculating?

I'm mostly self taugh and trying to study literature in college.

>Jews have significant flaws.

Even if you want to make it in YA you still have to struggle and strive like a bootlicking bitch. Writing a book and trying to sell it is hard enough when you believe in it with all your soul, the idea of going through all that pain for something completely worthless just kills me.

I wish I could write potboilers the same as anyone else, but the same problems plaguing the high end of the industry also plague the low end, and frankly I doubt the game is worth the candle.

The line between highbrow and lowbrow has been made too strict. Writers have forgotten that they can be entertaining to the general public while still having deeper meaning. For example, many Victorian novels often read like thrillers/romances. For a non-literature example of artistry, Stanley Kubrick's movies were loaded with symbolism and extreme care was put into everything that was filmed, but even someone unfamiliar with that can be entertained by his movies.

this.

wages haven't caught up with inflation at all

symbolism is the way of the plebs to feel deep

Being a mother is the best thing a woman can do. Remember that there are plenty of ways, such as writing, to make money from home while still being available to take care of her children.

Exactly the sort of response my post was written to deal with.

i know you aren't good at anything. there is not one single thing that you have poured hours into succeeding at. you've never applied yourself. you have no idea what it's like to possess a skill, because you have never trained at one.

you believe that writing is just a set of techniques to be applied. you believe catchy, appealing pop music is just the formulaic construction of chord progressions. this is because you have never tried to do either of these things, and you have no idea how difficult it is to get them just right. you have never tried hard at something and failed, either, and i know this because if you had, you would know that just because it has mass appeal does not mean it is easy.

fuck off a cliff and die. the mass your pitiful existence has been allotted would better serve itself as fertilizer.

you sound like a retarded frenchman.

going to school to learn literature is stupid in the first place and you deserve whatever debt and lack of job prospects you getbecause of it.

if you have a passion for literature you can easily teach it to yourself, there are no x amount of classes you need to take and tests you have to pass to be good at writing unlike in actually useful fields which it makes sense to go to school for.

>treating higher education like a trade school

if you want to be a writer your time is much better spent staying home, reading, writing and building up your portfolio with freelance work rather than wasting it by studying for a degree with very limited worth.

it is what it is.

I can tell you, since I am part of the problem. Reading books in 2016 is pointless since the internet essentially serves to identify the best parts of a book (its quotes) and then offers these as a quick and easy way of identifying its merit. I myself publish at least one book a day via amazon self-publishing. The book market is flooded with individuals like myself simply throwing out a large net hoping a couple of fish will be caught. No longer does a book become published and released to the "reading public" who at one time only ever had basic television, radio and so forth to otherwise entertain them. My Polish friend and I are developing a piece of software which will automatically purchase any free books published on amazon (many authors choose to promote their work by offering a limited number of free copies) and simply steal one chapter from say 12 books and publish them as one whole books, automatically changing certain words to synonymous words and changing the name of a protagonist to the same name throughout. If it works like it does at the moment we could be pushing out over a dozen novels per day, complete with cover art and so on. Meanwhile there are people spending four, five years on a literary heartfelt novel only to self-publish it and receive one purchase from a schizophrenic housewife in Sheboygan who bought it under the premise that it was erotica.

Literally me.

Literally plagiarized from Mesopotamian culture.

Literature is no special case. It uses technology to deliver an experience. lit acts snobby towards vidya and film but then why aren't you talking about cave paintings and oratory? Because you wrongly see yourself as the most "old school" and "true to your roots" when even fucking using English is taking advantage of new developments outside of art.

Literature is dead. There can be many definitions of what is a dead art form, such as no mass market, barely any livable wages for writers etc. My own personal interpretation is that literature is dead because "taste" is almost universally discouraged, from book shops, to academia, to the media to anywhere where books are discussed.

Literature is currently used as a social signalling mechanism by pseudo intellectuals. The social signalling can take the form of staying what your taste is, all the way to academics writing unfalsifiable papers about Shakespeare.

And again, I have nothing in particular against lit. In 100 years, the Harvard video game studies department, composed mostly of women (both professors and undergrads) will be writing papers about super Mario Bros 3 while beamed straight in to your brain VR is the latest "immature childish neckbeard" obsession

real wages haven't gone down since the 20s you retards

At worst they've stagnated for a section of the population. We just have more shit that we spend money on today (cable, internet, smartphones, overpriced education)

>Why cant literature students make money off writing?
Matter of over-saturation.

The problem isn't a lack of content, it's a lack of consumers.

Less people read than people thing- Harry Potter and the like are the exception to a trend.

YA is like the last bastion of fiction that's consumed on the regular.

Also writers get paid shit, despite the work and effort involved.

because literature school teachs you to be a critic and not a writer

people still read bro.
there's millions of books sold in amazon every year.

is not a mass market, but today with amazon and the internet, we have a bigger market than ever.

Like I keep saying: there's nothing stopping a writer from being entertaining and having mass appeal and being good.

nice GET

we're too busy drowning in the pussy

>Commercial
>Art

Pick one

they're supposed to love it, and you're not supposed to get paid for what you love

>Magic the gathering has better paintings than some fine art modern BS painting

No shit. The modern art scene is a massive hugbox for self-important turds who put tampons in teacups and sell it for half a million dollars.

>Read Proust, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Dante, etc.: experience profound joy and sorrow, approach answers to life's great questions.

>Play SMB3: push buttons for x number of hours.

Well, prostitution is a bussiness, do you have a problem with people selling their own bodys to make money to live, dipshit?