Is Cryonics a meme?

Because I'm looking into it.

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yes, ice crystals tear your cells making the task of reviving your 500 year old cadaver even more impossible, it is basically the SOLAR FREAKING ROADWAYS of achieving immortality

Ice crystals haven't been a thing in cryopreservation for decades

Yeah there are obviously a ton of concerns but anyone saying "lol no ice crystals" is trolling.

It's too far fetched to be taken seriously. It's basically a shitty version of Pascal's Wager at this time.

What is so far fetched about it?

you're better off inventing a near FTL engine and use it once so you dont age while everyone on earth ages more than you

Protip: When they freeze your ass, you are dead. Exactly as dead as if you had died any other way. "Maybe someday they can make me not dead anymore" seems a waste of effort.

Cryonics is very possible.
As a multicellular creature you should look to nature for a land animal that has adapted some sort of pause/sleep button.
It really becomes a type of wizardry at some point. Especially when you observe the Wood Frog.
In the winter it uses urea and glucose in its blood to generate a type of antifreeze.

Humans being warm blooded can't truly copy this technique unless we observe both extremes.
Which is why if you look at the Mudfish you can watch a macroscopic multicellular organism dessicate itself by covering itself in mucous.

There was a man who was stranded in his car for around a month and survived freezing temperatures thanks to his bottle of Coca-Cola but he drank due to the elevated glucose levels and lack of space to pee.

Combining both of the methods of the mud fish and the wood frog. You can make a type of machine that uses mudfish mucus or amniotic fluid. The mud fish mucus can be inhaled if you oxygenate it. Mucus on the exterior need not be oxygenated. Alternatively you may use trioxide.

And the Machine can be used to slowly adjust the temperatures until you freeze.

Because humans cannot jump start their heart like the wood frog or the mudfish as easily ( it depends on the human) you can say different ulation device to shock you awake once your defrost/dessication is complete.

t. 3000 year old annanuki

>Exactly as dead as if you had died any other way.
Not quite. The property "all the information is there that is necessary to reconstruct my body and mind as they currently are, in principle" is true when cryopreserved, and false otherwise. That makes a non-preserved person quite a lot more dead then the preserved person.

>"Maybe someday they can make me not dead anymore" seems a waste of effort.
Why? I would rather like for people to make me not-dead at some future point. That's not a wasted effort for me. Ensuring *now* that they have a decent chance of succeeding later seems perfectly sensible, if you value your life.

Isnt Mass Effect Andromeda running on Cryonics?

They have recently developed a method to evenly thaw cryogenically frozen tissues to prevent fracturing and are currently scaling the technique up to larger sizes. The research is meant to cryopreserve(and thaw) organs for transplants so it will probably remain a funded project for the forseeable future. So there's that.

***You can use a diffribulation device to shock you awake....***

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The genes shared by humans and frogs is approximately 80%. A viable candidate for the application of its natural ability.

Start with rats.
Work your way up.

It's a lot of sugar and piss.

Frogs can stay frozen for 7 months.
>7 months

80% of our DNA
>80%
>Frogs
>80

Does not compute...
Cannot compute.


>3000 year old anannuki

Wait wut?

The trip to mars takes around seven months; a bit longer than astronauts currently stay on the International Space Station.

Enjoy.

Warning: Upon awakening you will have a headache that feels like a near permanent brainfreeze combined with a brain tumour for a while. Excruciating.

Also

The mucous coating your lungs and stomach will be violently vomited and coughed out once the chamber is empty and you are shocked back to life.

You might cry. It feels like being born all over again except with a hangover.

I saw that piece

Also holding in your pee after drinking a few litres of sugar....it is a bitch. Percentage that must be retained past comfort point is over 50 percent minimum or death is likely to occur.
Yep. Turns out we can copy mister wopd frog with the bear equivilant of holding in a turd until it clogs the anus for hibernation. Science.

The purpose of holding it in is to elevate levels of urea in the blood. You may also notice increases in sweat by holding it in. This is basically what this is.

You could always find a way to shut down the pancreas to artificially raise your blood sugar without having to drink or eat certain things.

People who fall into freezing lakes can be revived hours later. It seems that the main danger is a person's autonomic systems shutting down. What if a person was put into a hypothetic state and put on life support? Not frozen, just cold enough to slow the body down. Could you keep someone alive almost indefinitely this way?

Perhaps there's another technique that might work. Imagine cutting off circulation to your arm. After a few hours arm starts to die from lack of oxygen, but if you let blood flow momentarily it refreshes and you can cut off circulation again. Theoretically, couldn't you cut off circulation almost indefinitely with intermittent breathers. You could hypothermicly freeze people like that. Raise their temperature once every few hours just long enough for the body to catch a breath, but not enough for the subject to regain consciousness.

Yes.
It has been done before for certain diseases. However the REM sleep pattern has a tendency to awaken you due to being on a bed with bedsores. In a floating vat however....

Then there's the story of a Swedish man snowbound in his own car survived for 2 months by hibernating. No food or water, he just slept in the frozen car. It seems humans are naturally adapted to entering a cryogenic state all on their own, but we've forgotten how to use it.

user. We have had this abillity for many many years. If you only knew what has been hidden from us.

2017 is going to be an interesting year.

Two months.
Yes.
That was him. The one with the softdrink in the car.

what's the maximum amount of time a person can be like this? and how cold or how much can you slow metabolism? years?

the 1st stage to the head transplant surgery is putting the subject into hypothetic state. Imagine if a person can be kept that way for years, then at the moment of death they'd be put on ice till a body doner is available or a clone is grown, or a cyborg body is built.

So when they thaw you out or whatever, are you YOU? Like your conscious experience pauses when you die, and then they thaw you out however many years later and you wake up as if you were asleep? Or do you just die and the "next" you carries on where you left off, but it's not YOU you. I guess it's impossible to know but what do you guys think?

If your conscious is resumed and the brain is intact, it's no less you than the you last night before bed.

I'm curious what it means for religion and dualism though. Will we get reports from the afterlife after reviving people dead long enough to be sure it's not just a hallucinatory trick, or will it essentially hard-debunk dualism? Will the Church (Abrahamc) release statements that God won't show you heaven until you're dead for realsies?

I just want to stick around or come back when we have all the answers and live from there.

If your dead, but your body is preserved to the point that decay isn't in progress, could you theoretically bring a cryogenically frozen subject back to life with the right electric charge or something of that nature. Kind of like those pads ambulances use?

Did he force himself to sleep right after he had awakened or did he manage to consistently sleep through the 2 months without anything waking him up?

Days. It is easier to use the frog method and go for a full deep freeze.
7 months. Hasn't been tested thuroughly yet though. Could freeze for longer. Needs more testing.

He was awake. Mostly...It was a half state... He generated barely enough heat via sunlight to stay alive.

This is a double edged sword. Body has to be in perfect condition. Shocks administerred perfectly. Oxygen forced into the intake. A brutal machine.

You're missing that the definition of "dead" has changed over time. In the past you used to be dead when your heart stopped beating, but with modern CPR that's not quite permanently dead yet. The current definition of dead is "beyond any reasonable chance of resuscitation" and cyrogenics seeks to extend that opportunity window until there's better methods.

It's still a tremendously expensive gamble, but money won't do you any good when you're dead.

God is still there.
Everything in nature was made by him.
The whole damn multiverse.

The reason I am telling you autists this is to spread the word. We must get off this rock with as much knowledge as possible and soon.

1. They don't know how much information in the brain is lost
2. They don't have any roadmaps in place to develop revival techniques and has left that to "Somebody in the future"
3. The fact that they're taking money now makes it a scam.

>3. The fact that they're taking money now makes it a scam.
You're making it sound like all research is a scam. How upfront they are about their abilities is what makes it a scam or not.

>He doesn't know the difference between a research grant and a commercial service.

Whether the tech is possible or not the problem is relying on a company not going completely bust or just unfreezing you the second some technology becomes possible but you are a vegetable.

>survived freezing temperatures thanks to his bottle of Coca-Cola but he drank due to the elevated glucose levels and lack of space to pee

> brainlets cant think this through

"holding in" you urine does not elevate blood urea levels, it just distends your bladder until it comes out anyway.

Do you see cryonics enthusiasts committing suicides surrounded with cryonics teams ready to freeze them as quickly as possible? Guess they donĀ“t put too much faith in it.

The commitment makes this not bait, but just depressing that someone has this much of a fried, depressed brain.